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Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs

Excellent chance the Dow would be at 2000 today, having recovered from its December low. If you don't understand the need for stimulus, just sit quietly and let the smart people fix things for you.
Thanks for illustrating beyond any reasonable doubt that you know as much about the economy as you do about guns...
 
I'd still like to know why the country had to have that 700 billion in such a hurry? Is Obama just sitting on it and hoping things will get better so he can spend it on every socialist program he ever dreamed of?
 
The government cannot create jobs. If spending $800 billion creates jobs. What does the loss of $800 billion in spending do? Answer that question honestly and you'll realize that the stimulus is now and has always been a lie.

The stimulus was never about creating or saving jobs. It was about investing in small portions of America at the expense of the rest of America. Liberals justify that because to them. It is fair. It is fair to take money from a family that pays for their health care, that pays for their mortgage, that pay their taxes and give it to someone who cannot. Liberals love diversity until you start talking about the economy.
 
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Excellent chance the Dow would be at 2000 today, having recovered from its December low. If you don't understand the need for stimulus, just sit quietly and let the smart people fix things for you.


anyone who thinks of themselves as smarter.....is usually not
 
Excellent chance the Dow would be at 2000 today, having recovered from its December low. If you don't understand the need for stimulus, just sit quietly and let the smart people fix things for you.

Let's see if I can match your debating capability appropriately. Hmmm.

I'm rubber and you're glue........
 
It's exactly like that. But he's only talking to the ones who don't pay attention.

He's cornering himself. 2010 can't get here fast enough, and I hope Americans wake up like they did in 1994.

Won't happen. The media are determined that 1984 will be the net result of the Obamanation, not 1994.
 
The obvious problem here is that FAR too many people think the government needs to do anything to 'fix' the econony -- as the economy will, inevitably, will do that itself.

Unfortunately I've learned some things in the past few weeks that prove that the government has to spend in order for the economy not to crash.

That is because our money is debt based and of course government created this problem so they could solve it.

Our current economy can't self correct.
 
^^You're libertarian?
 
Unfortunately I've learned some things in the past few weeks that prove that the government has to spend in order for the economy not to crash.

That is because our money is debt based and of course government created this problem so they could solve it.

Our current economy can't self correct.
Sure it can. If the government stepped away right now and did nothing, it would self-correct. It would be messy and it woudl take a while, but it would correct. it might even mean the collapse of the US monetary system -- but, eventually, it would self-correct.
 
^^You're libertarian?

Yep, that doesn't mean I don't want a self correcting economy. ;)

Sure it can. If the government stepped away right now and did nothing, it would self-correct. It would be messy and it woudl take a while, but it would correct. it might even mean the collapse of the US monetary system -- but, eventually, it would self-correct.


When you put it that way sure.

I was talking about if we wanted to preserve our current system, the government must do something as much as I hate, loathe, dislike it.

Although I think we would of been better off if they had just cut everyone a check for $10,000.
 
^^But not distributing money at all would have been even better.
 
^^But not distributing money at all would have been even better.

We wish, since our money is created on debt it can't all be repaid.

During recessions people are more fervent in repaying debt, it starts to approach the point where their is still debt to repay but not enough money to pay it back with, then you have economic cluster ****.

You know that more money is owed, than is in existence right?
 
We wish, since our money is created on debt it can't all be repaid.

During recessions people are more fervent in repaying debt, it starts to approach the point where their is still debt to repay but not enough money to pay it back with, then you have economic cluster ****.

You know that more money is owed, than is in existence right?

Default sounds like a better option to me than inflation. Inflation affects everyone, default affects those people who made bad loans and the people who took out the bad loans. You could argue that this would freeze up capital, but why shouldn't it be hard to get? This way only those most trustworthy would get the capital and we invest in those strongest areas of the economy.
 
Default sounds like a better option to me than inflation. Inflation affects everyone, default affects those people who made bad loans and the people who took out the bad loans. You could argue that this would freeze up capital, but why shouldn't it be hard to get? This way only those most trustworthy would get the capital and we invest in those strongest areas of the economy.

I think you misinterpret me, I don't desire our current monetary and economic policy. In fact I hate it.

With that said, if we are to preserve our current system as it is, they have to do this ****. I hate it, it sucks but there will be a day when it is no longer supportable.

I don't think that giving it to the most "trustworthy", is positive because with stimulus junk your trying to spur spending, who else to give it than those who will use it to spend.
 
Then what exactly are you arguing for? It's already not supportable.
 
Default sounds like a better option to me than inflation.
Starting over would suck.
But, its better than where we're headed now.

Part of the problem is that we have at least three generations of people that see government as a solution to their problems, as opposed to, as it was intended, a way for people to resolve differences with one another.
 
Then what exactly are you arguing for? It's already not supportable.

I was just saying that if we are to continue to support our current economic and monetary policy, the government must disburse money.
Even then it isn't supportable long into the future.

My preference would be the abolition of the Fed and fractional reserve lending.
 
Obama keeps saying that the American people will get paid back. I may be stupid, but I am not going to believe that crap. We paid our taxes with good money. Does anyone think we will ever get that money back?
 
Obama keeps saying that the American people will get paid back. I may be stupid, but I am not going to believe that crap. We paid our taxes with good money. Does anyone think we will ever get that money back?

You'll get the same dollar amount back maybe. ;)
 
Although I think we would of been better off if they had just cut everyone a check for $10,000.

That would make the $10,000 you have, and the next $10,000 you earn worth less, etc, etc, etc.
 
You know that more money is owed, than is in existence right?

That's usually the case. Person borrows money uses it to create business that didn't exist any more, and pays the loan back.

The business created new money.

If the economy grows, there's no problem owing more than what currently exists on hand, so long as mature adults are around to make sure it's paid back and otherwise handled wisely.

Unfortunately, we don't have mature adults in Washington, we have The Messiah and his Apologostles.

(Oh, that's terrible)....

Anyways, it is possible to get back to prosperity from where we're at.

If we stop empowering Obama.
 
Well, shutting down all the unconstitutional aspects of the federal government tomorrow would be a disaster, alrighty.

Phasing out all the unconstitutional aspects of the federal government over a period of a year or two would give the country time to adjust.

This week, cancel the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and auction off all publicly held properties and licences.

Just axe the National Endowment for Bad Artists and the Humanities without warning.

There, I just found something like 500 million dollars where The Messiah was proud to have cut a mere 100.

See how easy it is?

Ethanol subsidies raise the cost of food and do nothing for energy indepence. Tell 'em to sell their corn on the open market this year.

Hey! Look! Obama just discovered the Federal Government is paying farmers to not grow food. So shouldn't everyone who doesn't grow food be paid the same? Cost too much money? Then don't pay farmers to raise weeds, don't pay them at all, they're private businesses in a capitalist country, aren't they?

See how easy it is to cut federal spending?
 
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