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Tiller Suspect: More Violence Possible

Wessexman said:
The point is this is just a few extremists and I find it disturbing my some of my former allies in the debates on whether Islamic extremists mean the entire ancient Islamic and Arab cultures is evil are so quick to embrace the mentality of their opponents in those discussions when it suits them.
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When I said what I said, I was acknowledging the level of stupidity in the general public, and the tendency to polarize based on exactly what you just said. I, personally, obviously know that these extremists don't represent all pro-lifers (even though they claim to), but the vast majority who aren't as into politics as I am are going to make the issue black and white.

What the 9-11 terrorists did for Islam is what Tiller's murderer did for the pro-lifers: turn everyone else against them.
 
goldendog said:
Seems like the same illogical logic would apply..If you can't beat them murder them. With support.
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You make absolutely no sense with this.
 
celticlord said:
You make absolutely no sense with this.
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Does it make sense to morally justify murdering people who are conducting their lives with the bounderies of the law?

If people are going to morally justify murder in this case because they cannot live their lives without force feeding their morals down everybodies throats then what's going to keep them from doing the same thing reguarding gay marriage?
 
goldendog said:
Does it make sense to morally justify murdering people who are conducting their lives with the bounderies of the law?

If people are going to morally justify murder in this case because they cannot live their lives without force feeding their morals down everybodies throats then what's going to keep them from doing the same thing reguarding gay marriage?
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Um...maybe because they don't view gay marriage as murder like they do with abortion? :doh

I don't agree with pro-lifers, but I can't see even a remote similarity between this issue and gay marriage.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
Um...maybe because they don't view gay marriage as murder like they do with abortion? :doh

I don't agree with pro-lifers, but I can't see even a remote similarity between this issue and gay marriage.
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The similarities are in both issues you have one side trying to impose their moral views upon the will of supposed free people who want nothing to do with those single minded moral views. Once gay marriage is allowed nation wide are they not going to still try to force their views and moral values down the throats of people who want nothing to do with their moral views just like the abortion issue? Murdering people to get their point across is not so far fetched.
 
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goldendog.

Stop.

Seriously.

For the sake of liberalism.
 
Breaking: Idiot says idiotic ****.

Why give this guy attention?
 
Orius said:
When I said what I said, I was acknowledging the level of stupidity in the general public, and the tendency to polarize based on exactly what you just said. I, personally, obviously know that these extremists don't represent all pro-lifers (even though they claim to), but the vast majority who aren't as into politics as I am are going to make the issue black and white.
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I doubt that actually. If one is talking about Americans, at least. The issue isn't some misunderstood other for them it is about issues which are rife in American politics and I just doubt that it will turn many against the pro-life movement who weren't already.

In say Britain it might be a little more like that and obviously the Brussels broadcasting corporation and the Graudian are trying to make it so but I doubt it will have the same kind of relevance.

None of this of course changes the fact that both linkages are not legitimate; Islam/Arabs or the pro-life movement with a few extremists in each.
 
Redress said:
I thought the topic was the turning of a blind eye to terrorists within their organization by the anti abortion forces.
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That was not the sub-topic me and goldendog were discussing. Perhaps it wasn't even technically on topic but the discussion we were directly having was what I said. So I'm not sure what your point is?

The pro-life movement isn't some kind of conspiracy like "organisation" by the way.
 
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Redress said:
I was trying for a reasonable, measured response. In my heart, after the reaction of far too many anti abortion types, they could round up the whole bunch and ship them to Gitmo and I would have to work up to caring.
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If I said something like this about liberals you'd be whining up a storm. Whoops! I forgot that it's okay for liberals to say things like this because they're so progressive and tolerant. It's so obvious that you are right so it's okay to be condescending and dismissive.
 
Ethereal said:
If I said something like this about liberals you'd be whining up a storm. Whoops! I forgot that it's okay for liberals to say things like this because they're so progressive and tolerant. It's so obvious that you are right so it's okay to be condescending and dismissive.
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I think you are reading too much into it. I did not say I thought that anti abortion folks where terrorists, but that inside, I kinda felt that way. That is, I know it is unfair, but that is how it feels. I do try and separate my emotional reactions to my more public ones though, so give me credit for that.
 
Redress said:
I think you are reading too much into it. I did not say I thought that anti abortion folks where terrorists, but that inside, I kinda felt that way. That is, I know it is unfair, but that is how it feels. I do try and separate my emotional reactions to my more public ones though, so give me credit for that.
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I admire your honesty, certainly, but perhaps you should rethink your view when your heart tells you to throw political opposition into a prison...just saying...:)
 
Ethereal said:
I admire your honesty, certainly, but perhaps you should rethink your view when your heart tells you to throw political opposition into a prison...just saying...:)
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I don't advocate it, I just think it sometimes.
 
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