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Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

Japan has started expanding in 1592 and was finished seven years later. There is a Korean TV series about it. Highly recommended. It's probably the greatest historical drama in the history of world television, bar none!

lol@7 years later, so Japan didn't start invading Asia long before their attack on Pearl Harbor, ya tell that to the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese.
 
He was a pragmatist acting in his government's (but not the people's) interest, no different from Hitler or FDR. In fact, one could argue that FDR & Co has caused more damage to humanity than Hitler or Stalin, because the latter two have much less on-going impact on history, while FDR's legacy continues to kill to the present day.

FDR's ongoing impacts on the world would include liberal democracy for all of continental Europe and much of the Asian Pacific.

FDR has prolonged the Great Depression, and his legacy has led to his mistakes now being repeated with the Bailout Bubble - all that economic loss will shave off quite a bit of time from the life expectancy of every human being on earth, often making the difference between life and death!

Actually paleocon revisiionist arguments regarding FDR prolonging the Great Depression have been thoroughly debunked by those little things we here in the reality based community call facts, there was only a slight recession between 1937 and 1938 4 years into FDR's term, the rest of his term saw huge economic growth of 9-10% every year FDR was in office and unemployment fell every year FDR was in office.


You're spinning so hard that plugging you up to a generator would cut the world-wide electricity costs in half!

The word "boycott" is used to describe one's individual choices as a consumer, while what the U.S. government did was a use of the armed forces to initiate aggression against a specific nation and/or its trading partners. You try to sell oil to Japan - boom, you're dead! To say that's not war is like saying murder by strangulation isn't murder because you've merely deprived your victim of air!

That is what we would refer to as a lie. It was U.S. developed, drilled, refined, and owned oil that was not sold to Japan, no threats were ever made to any nation regarding their trade relations with Japan.

I noticed that you provided no link to back up this ridiculous claim.

And the 1967 Oil Embargo is something entirely different - that conflict started in the 19th century and has reached total war after the "the Catastrophe of 1948". There's no question that the Zionists / Israel are the aggressor in that war.

Except that a) Japan was engaged in a aggressive war of conquest and in Asia and B) Israel has never once in their entire history engaged in a aggressive war and have accepted every single peace proposal since 1948 which hasn't called for the destruction of Israel through a demographic shift aka "the right of return".


Yes, Japan must be under the total control of the United States, no other option is acceptable.

Um no they must end their aggressive genocidal war in the Asian mainland or we won't sell them any more oil to fuel their war machine. To which they responded with an act of war against Pearl Harbor.



I have. I know that Germany has exterminated millions of Jews, including some of my relatives. But that conference didn't take place in 1933; it took place in 1942, after America has entered the war, and the invasion of the Soviet Union started showing proof that Germany's optimism for a quick victory was very much unwarranted.

Hitler wanted a "racially pure" Germany free of "undesirable" cultural influences, and it makes a whole lot more economic sense to ransom the "undesirables" out rather than just kill them. He initially thought the Jewish prisoners would be an asset, a bargaining chip for their wealthy and politically-influential relatives abroad, but if other nations weren't willing to pay to rescue them, they became a liability - keeping millions of prisoners alive while the nation is being invaded from both sides and suffers fuel and food shortages is not easy.

America's unwillingness to rescue those Jews, even turning back ships filled with refugees, are some of the things that mainstream historians have been trying to de-emphasize. Some stories get through (ex. MS St Louis), while most do not. The reality is that the U.S. government has contributed to the Holocaust more than it has helped end it.

Jews began being mass murdered in 1939, if Hitlers ambition was not to slaughter all of the Jews then why exactly wasn't the Madagascar Plan ever initiated?


Just as there was no Communist plot to undermine Czarist Russia. Oops. :3oops:

Sure, not all Jews were Communists, but a large fraction of the leading Communists were Jews. And not all Japanese Americans were loyal to the emperor either - except of course there were fewer of them, and America had the economic resources to lock them up more humane conditions than the German equivalent.

lol you cited a forum and the citation offered (with no link gee I wonder why?) which tracks back through a google search to Politics Religion Wake-up America, Jews, Judaism, neo-cons and America which hosts some interesting little neo-Nazi tidbits; such as, THE HIDDEN NATION OF THE JEWS Understanding Jewish Influence and JEWS IN THE MEDIA***

:roll:

FYI Lenin and Stalin were both Christians.



Ah, right, typical American public school education. "Before Pearl Harbor, which no one could have seen coming, America was just sitting there in Hawaii, one of the 13 original colonies, and minding its own business, not even thinking about colonizing anyone half a world away"... :roll:

The U.S. was not in a period of expansion at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, in fact this was a period of U.S. isolationism.


"Have been interpreted by some historians" my foot,

MAGIC intercepts prove conclusively that Togo rejected Sato's proposal for unconditional surrender provided the imperial house is preserved, quite frankly sir you have no clue what you're talking about.

Have you even heard of the plans for the "honorable death of 100 million"?

Japan was never a threat to the United States,

They destroyed the entire Pacific fleet save for a few aircraft carriers.

and the U.S. could have ended that war at any time - or not have started it in the first place.

We didn't start it, it is they who attacked us.

Little nations don't attack big nations out of the blue, they only do it in self-defense!

lol the Nipponese Empire was not a little nation and they had been engaged in aggressive wars of conquest in mainland Asia and the Pacific for a decade before their attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
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Wow, looks like Obama's got some serious balls calling out holocaust deniers, the very people looked so highly upon by our society. Damn, the guys got some guts, you got to give him that.
 
Wow, looks like Obama's got some serious balls calling out holocaust deniers, the very people looked so highly upon by our society. Damn, the guys got some guts, you got to give him that.

Liz...could you expand on this comment? "the very people looked so highly upon by our society.".
 
FDR is just one figurehead, as were Hitler,

Appointed.


Appointed by Lenin and his supporters to General Secretary a position he used through subterfuge to obtain absolute power.

and Hirohito.

Hereditary heir to the throne.

I see the government as one evil system, regardless of departments, parties, and even national boundaries.

All kings are foes of all the men they rule!

Then luckily for us FDR was an elected representative within a Constitutional democratic-republic.

Oh and that might be the most ridiculous answer to an honest question that I've ever heard. :roll:
 
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I have to admit I am kind of tired of the many liberals here who try and say they are moderate all the time ranting about the right. To be honest I am probably more moderate then most of them.

Anyway, this is derailing the thread.

Obama did a good thing with bashing Holocaust deniers, no doubt.

Yes, this is derailing the thread. I'm tired of people who think their opinion is a matter of "fact." :roll:
 
I'm just hoping that Ahmadinejad will lose the upcoming elections and the new president wil have total respect for the memory of the 6 million innocents who lost their lives.

Denying the Holocaust or any other genocide is an act as barbaric as having committed them.

Hope that Obama will put pressure on Turkey to finally admit the Armenian genocide :(
 
I'm just hoping that Ahmadinejad will lose the upcoming elections and the new president wil have total respect for the memory of the 6 million innocents who lost their lives.
It's a wonderful fantasy....but I'm afraid it's no more than that.

The new Iranian boss will the same as the old Iranian boss, no matter which boss gets elected.
 
It's a wonderful fantasy....but I'm afraid it's no more than that.

The new Iranian boss will the same as the old Iranian boss, no matter which boss gets elected.

Well I believe that he did harshly criticize Ahmadinejad for his holocaust denial remarks but you're right that whoever is elected will still be a puppet of the Mullahs due to their closed circle of power theocratic electoral system which insures that actual anti-Islamist reformists will not even be allowed to run.
 
I'm just hoping that Ahmadinejad will lose the upcoming elections and the new president wil have total respect for the memory of the 6 million innocents who lost their lives.

Denying the Holocaust or any other genocide is an act as barbaric as having committed them.

Hope that Obama will put pressure on Turkey to finally admit the Armenian genocide :(
Why do you say Six Million died? Isn't that in its self denying the Holocaust
WikiAnswers - How many people died in the Holocaust
 
Until Iran is no longer ran by the Guardian Council the President will be irrelevant. He is a mouthpiece, a figure head. Little more. They are the real power behind the government and they are real source of the problem.
 
Liz...could you expand on this comment? "the very people looked so highly upon by our society.".

It was sarcasm. The point was is doesn't take much guts to call out the guys everybody hates.
 
show how the US initiated aggression with Japan.

Well, how does one define aggression? The US clearly did not start the shooting war, but aggression comes in many different packages. Remember the US cut off their oil and told Japan you cannot expand south. But Japan needed a source of oil for industrialization and modernization. The US more or less pushed them into a corner. While we did not start the shooting, it's hard to say we did not provoke them. Whether anyone in the government intended for this to occur, I don't know, but the options given were "stop modernizing your economy" or "war."
 
Seriously! Why do people keep ignoring the 5+ millions Gypsies, Slavs, Communists and Homosexuals?

What's up with that?

They dont have the right PR strategy.. and no I aint kidding.
 
What's really tragic is that the Department of Homeland Security Czar, Janet Nepolitano, presciently predicted this back in April, in a report which was subsequently squelched by Congressional Republicans. Republicans took offense to the DHS report warning of "conservatives as a [domestic terrorism] threat, particularly military veterans and those opposed to abortion or immigration".

It seems hateful white conservatives are either killing people or killing the truth.
 
She was referring, specifically, to the Jews who died in the Holocaust, I believe.

That's what I was refering to and that's what the Iranian President has been denying.
 
Seriously! Why do people keep ignoring the 5+ millions Gypsies, Slavs, Communists and Homosexuals?

What's up with that?

If people are ignoring that, I'm not.
Also don't forget the 26 million Soviets only 11 million of which were military.
 
Seriously! Why do people keep ignoring the 5+ millions Gypsies, Slavs, Communists and Homosexuals?

What's up with that?
Nobody ignores the 5+ million people from the other groups who suffered from the Holocaust.
But let's assume you have 10 groups of colors, each having different shades of colors in them;
Red, blue, yellow, white, orange, purple, brown, black, gray and green.
Now, when you take 10 colors out of each of the first 9 groups, and then take 100 colors out of the green group, the green group sure as **** earns the right to whine the most.

Again, nobody denies there were other groups suffering from the holocaust, but no group was nearly exterminated as the Jews.
Today there are about 5.5 million Jews living in Israel, the biggest Jewish community in the world.
Simple math says that's still less than the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust.
 
They dont have the right PR strategy.. and no I aint kidding.
And after this post I can say that you don't have the right PR strategy as well.
 
Well, how does one define aggression? The US clearly did not start the shooting war, but aggression comes in many different packages. Remember the US cut off their oil and told Japan you cannot expand south. But Japan needed a source of oil for industrialization and modernization. The US more or less pushed them into a corner. While we did not start the shooting, it's hard to say we did not provoke them. Whether anyone in the government intended for this to occur, I don't know, but the options given were "stop modernizing your economy" or "war."

Um no the oil embargo was meant to stop their illegal war of imperial conquest and genocide in mainland Asia. Had they ended their unjust war in the Asian mainland the oil embargo would have been lifted. Learn your history.
 
What's really tragic is that the Department of Homeland Security Czar, Janet Nepolitano, presciently predicted this back in April, in a report which was subsequently squelched by Congressional Republicans. Republicans took offense to the DHS report warning of "conservatives as a [domestic terrorism] threat, particularly military veterans and those opposed to abortion or immigration".

It seems hateful white conservatives are either killing people or killing the truth.

I take it you are referring to the shooting at the holocaust memorial.

Well FYI white power organizations can't be properly labeled as conservatives within the framework of the American political system. In fact it's leftist "progressives" like Noam Chomsky who pal around with white nationalists these days, of course you won't read about that in the American press (he's smart enough to only mingle with foreign Nazi's in France).
 
I take it you are referring to the shooting at the holocaust memorial.

Well FYI white power organizations can't be properly labeled as conservatives within the framework of the American political system. In fact it's leftist "progressives" like Noam Chomsky who pal around with white nationalists these days, of course you won't read about that in the American press (he's smart enough to only mingle with foreign Nazi's in France).

I think you should be careful about labelling Nomam Chomsky. He is Jewsih after all.

Not everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semitic, that is a very cheap and easy way to avoid a debate with those who have opposing views to yours.
 
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