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Conservative radio host popular onetime Hannity guest charged with inciting violence

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winston53660 said:
I can count our black members on one hand. I can tell you anecdotely about some of the racist comments I have heard in that church. I'm a member in name only because three generations of my family have been there.
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Do you sit in the pew faithfully every Sunday, in comfortable communion with those racists?
 
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danarhea said:
Radio host Hal Turner has been taken into custody and arrested for inciting violence after he blogged that Connecticut Catholics need to take up arms against 2 lawmakers and a state ethics official. Here is what Turner posted in his blog:

My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin? The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line, and your rights to free speech end right there.

Article is here.
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The thing is, he can directly tell someone to go kill their rep and it's still free speech because he has no reasonable expectation that his wishes will actually be carried out.
 
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danarhea said:
Just for the record, I did not want to use the headline tying Hannity to Turner. However, I also had to follow BN guidelines.

Having said that, let me state that Hannity and Turner were friends for many years. Whether Hannity broke off with Turner because he was afraid it would hurt his career, or whether he did it because of a change of heart, is something that neither you nor I can state with a certainty. At this point, I will take Hannity at his word that he does not now share the same views as Turner.
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I don't believe that Hannity has a racist bone in his body. My guess is that "friendship" was professional, and Hannity must have thought him a useful guest to have on the show. However when this guy went over the top, Hannity was going to support violence and Turner lost credibility as a guest.
 
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Jerry said:
The thing is, he can directly tell someone to go kill their rep and it's still free speech because he has no reasonable expectation that his wishes will actually be carried out.
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I'm not so certain that's a legally sustainable argument.

However, you are overlooking the rest of his diatribe, wherein he incorporated himself into the lynch mob:
"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally," the blog stated. "These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die."

And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too."
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"Our" and "we" puts the guns and the bullets in his hands as well.

That's a terroristic threat by any standard. And it's a crime.
 
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TheHat said:
400 years of slavery where? America hasnt been around for 400 years, yet we got 1 poster here claiming America was the only market for slaves.

So which fictional use of history are going to explore today?
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The trans-atlantic slave trade began in 1441. And no, America wasn't the only market for slaves.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade"]Atlantic Slave Trade (Wiki)[/ame]
 
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celticlord said:
I'm not so certain that's a legally sustainable argument.

However, you are overlooking the rest of his diatribe, wherein he incorporated himself into the lynch mob:
"Our" and "we" puts the guns and the bullets in his hands as well.

That's a terroristic threat by any standard. And it's a crime.
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Prove it's anything more than venting.
 
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Jerry said:
Prove it's anything more than venting.
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The statement is the proof.

It's specific and detailed. He's not just saying "the ***** should die." He is targeting specific persons and groups of persons with specific modes of violence. Specific threat against specific people is a specific crime.
 
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dclxvinoise said:
The trans-atlantic slave trade began in 1441. And no, America wasn't the only market for slaves.

Atlantic Slave Trade (Wiki)
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Thanks for clarifying, please show this post to the other poster who seems to think America was the only market for slaves.
 
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winston53660 said:
The only one with legally enforced slavery and segregation.;)
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past tense posting in order here? there are still slaves in Africa, enslaved by other blacks....
 
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dclxvinoise said:
I'm not saying that they didn't, but to try and use that as a counter balance to 400 years of slavery is a joke.
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A millenium of slavery up into the current era is meaningless?

Black Africans enslave black Africans today.
 
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The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.​
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-- Samuel Adams, Father of the American Revolution​
 
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winston53660 said:
A lot of hands were dirty. The fact is is the market was here in America.
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North America, Central America, South America, right?
surely you don't mean just the USA?
 
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It would be really cool if we could get back on topic with this story. The only reason I brought up Obama was because there are obvious parallels between this and Ayers which people have yet to address. Regardless, does anyone on the left really think that Hannity shares this guys views just because he was a guest on his show?
 
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TheHat said:
Thanks for clarifying, please show this post to the other poster who seems to think America was the only market for slaves.
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America existed before the USA did.
 
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Tucker Case said:
America existed before the USA did.
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The middle east was buying slaves from Africa centuries before they arrived in America.
 
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TheHat said:
No, no, no that is not what you said. You said specifically that America was the market for this until I brought up that there were plenty of other countries in on it too.



No, the facts are, that there was a market here in America, but we werent the only market, which is what you are trying to imply was the only market, which is false.
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The America was certainly a major driving force of the market.
 
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winston53660 said:
Well America created the market for that.
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So did the Netherlands, Spain, Britain, Portugal, etc.

America was not an exclusive market for slavery. Actually, it was one of the weaker markets for slavery for a long time.
 
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UtahBill said:
North America, Central America, South America, right?
surely you don't mean just the USA?
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Yep...........
 
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jallman said:
So did the Netherlands, Spain, Britain, Portugal, etc.

America was not an exclusive market for slavery. Actually, it was one of the weaker markets for slavery for a long time.
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Britain banned the slave in 1807.
 
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:eek:t ....and I'm guilty too.
 
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celticlord said:
The statement is the proof.

It's specific and detailed. He's not just saying "the ***** should die." He is targeting specific persons and groups of persons with specific modes of violence. Specific threat against specific people is a specific crime.
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Yes it is, 2nd degree harassment, at best, not inciting violence.

I'm comparing his words to the content of rape-porn websites which are considered 'free speech' and so far his blog looks pretty tame.

Again, demonstrate, actually demonstrate how his blog brakes a law. Simply saying "the statement is proof" is not providing proof. Show a smiler case or two and how they were dealt with, quote some statutes, anything.

Show how his blog is anything more than venting off steam.
 
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winston53660 said:
Britain banned the slave in 1807.
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Good to know. They were still a driving force in the slave market for a long time.
 
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American said:
The middle east was buying slaves from Africa centuries before they arrived in America.
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As was Europe. The market was primarily in the Americas though. What became the USA, Brazil, and the Caribbean were the biggest markets.
 
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winston53660 said:
Britain banned the slave in 1807.
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The Slave Trade Act of 1807 only banned the slave trade itself.

Slavery remained legal throughout the British Empire until 1833 and the Slavery Abolition Act.

As an interesting historical footnote, the United States banned the importation of slaves the same year.
 
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