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Six: New Hampshire will legalize same sex marriage

celticlord said:
Because the Texas Constitution has been amended a total of 456 times since 1876. That's not "thousands".

Yeah, today I'm in touch with my inner pedant.
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Texas has had more than one constitution. You are not including the 1845 Texas Constitution, and you are not including the 1861 Texas Constitution.
 
danarhea said:
Texas has had more than one constitution. You are not including the 1845 Texas Constitution, and you are not including the 1861 Texas Constitution.
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Ah....but your question did not mention Constitutions (plural), did it? :2razz:
 
Redress said:
Oh, and the great thing about spell checkers is I can actually use words like colloquial since I don't have to worry about how to spell them.
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Ain't they just grand? I'm highly dependent on mine!
 
jallman said:
I wasn't aware of a marriage stimulus fund for anyone? How do married couples get tax payer money?
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Marriage Rights and Benefits
Learn some of the legal and practical ways that getting married changes your life.

Whether or not you favor marriage as a social institution, there's no denying that it confers many rights, protections, and benefits -- both legal and practical. Some of these vary from state to state, but the list typically includes:

Tax Benefits
Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.
Estate Planning Benefits
Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse’s behalf.
Government Benefits
Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits
Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse’s close relatives dies.
Medical Benefits
Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
Death Benefits
Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.
Family Benefits
Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
Applying for joint foster care rights.
Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
Housing Benefits
Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.
Consumer Benefits
Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.


Other Legal Benefits and Protections
Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can’t force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.


Ok wheres the trap?

It IS about money!
 
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jallman said:
Wow, you are more anal than friday nights down at The Manhole in the Castro.:lol:
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Dude, between these gay marriage threads and the Second Amendment threads do you have any idea how many Supreme Court opinions I've read in the past month?

The "wow" would be if I wasn't on a pedantic kick at this point.
 
celticlord said:
Dude, between these gay marriage threads and the Second Amendment threads do you have any idea how many Supreme Court opinions I've read in the past month?

The "wow" would be if I wasn't on a pedantic kick at this point.
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You are right. We should simplify things a bit by passing a law mandating that all members of a gay wedding ceremony carry guns. That would cut your reading work in half. :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
You are right. We should simplify things a bit by passing a law mandating that all members of a gay wedding ceremony carry guns. That would cut your reading work in half. :mrgreen:
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You know, most gay people just don't strike me as the gun totin' type.
 
akyron said:
Marriage Rights and Benefits
Learn some of the legal and practical ways that getting married changes your life.

Whether or not you favor marriage as a social institution, there's no denying that it confers many rights, protections, and benefits -- both legal and practical. Some of these vary from state to state, but the list typically includes:

Tax Benefits
Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.
Estate Planning Benefits
Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse’s behalf.
Government Benefits
Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits
Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse’s close relatives dies.
Medical Benefits
Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
Death Benefits
Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.
Family Benefits
Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
Applying for joint foster care rights.
Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
Housing Benefits
Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.
Consumer Benefits
Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.


Other Legal Benefits and Protections
Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can’t force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.


Ok wheres the trap?

It IS about money!
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Other than these, I don't see any problem with that list or where you are taking tax payer money:

Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.

I'm more than willing to give those up in exchange for the two way protections that marriage confers. And I wouldn't be taking anyone's money.
 
Redress said:
You know, most gay people just don't strike me as the gun totin' type.
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Then you have never been to Texas. When I was playing with Smith & Hightower, we had a group of a couple dozen lesbians as groupies. They never missed a gig. All of them were packing too. They couldn't bring their guns inside, but their cars were armories. LOL.
 
Redress said:
You know, most gay people just don't strike me as the gun totin' type.
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There are guns.....and then there are guns.

Depends on what sort of ammo you're wanting to shoot off.
 
jallman said:
Have you ever met a lesbian?
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Not around here I guess. Here lesbians have dogs, not guns. Local lesbian softball tournament is like going to a kennel.
 
danarhea said:
You are right. We should simplify things a bit by passing a law mandating that all members of a gay wedding ceremony carry guns. That would cut your reading work in half. :mrgreen:
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Not only that, the joint amicus brief between the NRA and GLAAD would make for entertaining reading all on its own.
 
danarhea said:
You know what I know. LOL.
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In Alaska, there were two places you could always find a lesbian if you needed to: at the firing ranges and on the whale watching cruises. Seriously.
 
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jallman said:
at the firing ranges.
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Oh. It must have been the earplugs. I thought she said she was lebonese.
It makes so much sense now.
 
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Alex said:
The supreme and organic law of this land is the Constitution. If any law is contrary to it, that law in question must be struck down, and that responsibility is in the hands of the courts.
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However what the meaning of clauses of the constitution is the fixed and original one. So these laws have to interpreted in that light.

We do not live in a simple Democracy, we live in a Constitutional Democracy where restrictions on majority rule are in place.
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Setting up a liberal committee on public safety will not help to preserve liberty.
 
submarinepainter said:
You actually know people like this?
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As a matter fact I do. However, they didn't marry just because of tax breaks, but breaks that married couples get that single people do not. Lower insurance rates, medical benefits, etc.
 
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Wessexman said:
However what the meaning of clauses of the constitution is the fixed and original one. So these laws have to interpreted in that light.

Setting up a liberal committee on public safety will not help to preserve liberty.
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Specific intent of a law is meaningless, the courts apply laws as written. The 2nd amendment was intended to keep citizens armed with guns like muskets, rifles, pistols, and other various guns of the time. Should the law not apply to preserving the right to keep modern handguns?

There are no restrictions on Equal Protection in our Constitution. It is a blanket rule that the courts can apply to all citizens.
 
I guess New Hampshire is after the money of gay people.
 
American said:
I guess New Hampshire is after the money of gay people.
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So there are states that don't take money away from gays? Which ones are those?

I would like to know which states take no money from gays. I mean there is driver licensing, commercial licenses, etc. I don't know any state that isn't after money from gays or anyone else.
 
Alex said:
Specific intent of a law is meaningless, the courts apply laws as written.
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Indeed and when you need to know what what the words and phrases meant it is to the long held, original views you must turn. Only if such a situation is very, very close to that can the judiciary stretch it that tiny amount.

The 2nd amendment was intended to keep citizens armed with guns like muskets, rifles, pistols, and other various guns of the time. Should the law not apply to preserving the right to keep modern handguns?
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That is a silly way of interpreting it. The FF's knew technology would change, it is part of the original meaning to interpret it in this way. That is a bogus analogy, bereft of common sense.

There are no restrictions on Equal Protection in our Constitution. It is a blanket rule that the courts can apply to all citizens.
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Rubbish under that logic you turn the constitution into m ere guidelines and destroy the rule of law and separation of powers. Any clause or word could be completely redefined by the courts for their own agenda. The equal protection clause was introduced for certain thins, for the court to expand or change these is Judicial activism and does all the above.
 
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