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Operation Rescue adviser helped Tiller suspect track doctor's court dates

Re: Operation Rescue helped Scott Roeder

Ikari said:
libertarianism bases itself on the restriction of government. The reason I think that some "conservatives" and "liberals" stay away from libertarians is because the libertarian will call for abuses to be done away with which is supported by one of the sides. But in the end, libertarians tend to stick to their guns and ideology; which can't necessarily be said of the main parties. While there is certainly an amount of extremism, I think the overall belief in limited government which is not echoed by either "conservatives" or "liberals" is well worth the investment of time and effort to promote. Reasonable, limited, and constrained government is not outlandish and only the libertarians call for it. There is a wide breadth of specific ideology out there in the libertarian party, but the fundamental we all agree on is that government needs to be constrained, that the People are in charge and must be recognized as the sovereigns. I don't think it's such the bad thing you're trying to make it out to be.
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And that's great. But there are some things the government should deal with because it is not only it's own interest but in that of society as a whole. The minimal government that Libertarians advocate is the biggest turn off for most people anywhere near the middle from both camps.

Maybe people want the government to deal with drugs, the environment and the safety of products etc. Maybe people want the government to live in the 21st century and not isolate itself from the world by pulling out of the U.N. Maybe because to a huge extent they don't trust privately owned companies with even less accountability then the government, people simply do not believe in the calls for less government from the Libertarians.

And then there is that self righteous belief once again which you showed in the bold section. That libertarians are the knight in shinny white armor when we all know that's not true. The different between a corrupt Libertarian, a corrupt Republican and a corrupt Democrat is that neither the Republican or Democrat are willing to find out just to what extent the corruption of the Libertarian can go if he gains power because they've seen what he says when he's out of power.
 
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hazlnut said:
I don't want to unfairly associate Scott Roeder with any pro-life group or organization, but this story definitely raises some eyebrows about Operation Rescue-- or, at the very least, this one particular advisor.

Operation Rescue adviser helped Tiller suspect track doctor's court dates



I certainly hope the police are questioning this woman, checking her phone and computer records etc.
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I believe in innocence until guilt is proven, but let's not prevent that pro-life groups aren't privately celebrating over Tiller's death. They all have to publically stay that they abhor violence, but they all hated that guy passionately. Even among pro-choicers, that guy was seen as scum by many. I can only imagine why it took so long for a radical pro-lifer to take him out.

This article hints at that.
 
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American said:
So libertarianism does not seek truth?
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Your reading comprehension skills need work.


danarhea said:
Kiddie porn is not a victimless crime, as it would not exist if there was not a market for it. IMHO, those who download kiddie porn are just as guilty as those who took the pictures, since they helped contribute to the abuse of the child in the photo by providing the market for it.
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I have debunked that fallacy elsewhere.

I've made my point about prohibitionism - your failure to understand it is not my problem. Let's not take this thread off-topic by nitpicking.


Kernel Sanders said:
[...] You seem to have zero grasp of how the criminal justice system works
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An appeal to tradition is not a rational argument.


American said:
I would have to qualify that by saying that I believe a lot of libertarians want a smaller government than the Founders even envisioned, while I believe constitutionalist are more pure about adhering to the Constitution and the Founder intent.
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They want to fix the problem of out-of-control government by winding back the clock, changing nothing, and somehow expecting a different result... :doh
 
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MrVicchio said:
IT's this flavor fo Libertarianism that makes me not embrace them.
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There is a difference between "libertarian" and "libertine" obviously that dood is the latter.
 
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Kernel Sanders said:
That's because it wasn't an argument - you edited all of those out of my post :roll:
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All you've said is "Allah says this" or "Allah says that", only in your case it's the government. I'm making my arguments from reason, not the flawed status quo.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
There is a difference between "libertarian" and "libertine" obviously that dood is the latter.
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I'm actually very disciplined in my personal life, but I don't believe in forcing that behavior on others at a point of a gun, in part for moral reasons and in pact for pragmatic economic ones.
 
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Alex Libman said:
I'm actually very disciplined in my personal life, but I don't believe in forcing that behavior on others at a point of a gun, in part for moral reasons and in pact for pragmatic economic ones.
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There is nothing "moral" about your stance on child porn. I won't even touch abortion with you.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Um folks...

Thread is not about Kiddie Porn, Libertarianism, or anything else of the sort. Can we get back on topic. This isn't a bad discussion, and raises some interesting points, but it should go in a thread that actually fits the topic.
 
Re: Operation Rescue helped Scott Roeder

Alex Libman said:
Your reading comprehension skills need work.


I have debunked that fallacy elsewhere.

I've made my point about prohibitionism - your failure to understand it is not my problem. Let's not take this thread off-topic by nitpicking.


An appeal to tradition is not a rational argument.
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I read the thread and you proved nothing. You stated that if child pornography were made legal then it would no longer be profitable. That is not only the signs of somebody who knows NOTHING of child pornography and what causes but that of one who completely misunderstands how the market works.

First you must prove that child pornography is profitable.

Then you must prove if it became legal then it would no longer be profitable.

Seeing as how the overwhelming majority of child pornography is traded between offenders and not purchased. Then that is the first flaw in your theory. Secondly even if there was a profit involved then what makes you assume that it's legalization would make the market for it disappear and thus the profit?
 
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hazlnut said:
Zyphlin gave me an 'infraction' for not posting a 'link to original source'. The link to the original source is and has always been in the OP. Right at the top just below the comments.

Zyphlin, please click on the link and confirm that it is the original source and then remove the infraction.

Thank you.
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:lol: you would best be served by deleting this message and pm'ing him.



Don't say the Good Reverend never did anything for ya. :thumbs:
 
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Done through PM. Public clarification no longer needed.
 
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Redress said:
If you don't care, why post?
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If you can't read, why post?

I didn't say I didn't care, maybe I do, maybe there's a real issue here that I'm not seeing that would care about very much.

I'm just not seeing it.
 
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