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Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

celticlord said:
That's a cop out, and a load of horse manure to boot. That's like refusing to smack the school bully because "fighting never solves anything", then standing by wailing helplessly while said bully helps himself to your lunch money.
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Your the one slinging horse manure here. And it's your attitude that is a detriment this country right now. Rising above the mud to treat our captives with some level of decency, to honor human rights is not copping out. What Redress said in no way equates to your nonsensical assertion.

We have captured the enemy, disarmed them, and they are now our prisoner. We've done something and the threat they posed has been neutralized. Now we treat them like humans, despite their crimes, and we try them. If our case is sound they will be convicted. And the threat will remain neutralized.

We do not honor the human rights of our citizens simply because they are citizens. We honor them because we have an obligation as a civilized nation to act civilized.

Every time you spout garbage that equates observing human rights to "doing nothing about the enemy" you make yourself look foolish. Torturing the enemy or treating them inhumanely is not fighting them. Your analogy is illogical and very disingenuous.
 
Lerxst said:
Your the one slinging horse manure here. And it's your attitude that is a detriment this country right now. Rising above the mud to treat our captives with some level of decency, to honor human rights is not copping out. What Redress said in no way equates to your nonsensical assertion.

We have captured the enemy, disarmed them, and they are now our prisoner. We've done something and the threat they posed has been neutralized. Now we treat them like humans, despite their crimes, and we try them. If our case is sound they will be convicted. And the threat will remain neutralized.

We do not honor the human rights of our citizens simply because they are citizens. We honor them because we have an obligation as a civilized nation to act civilized.

Every time you spout garbage that equates observing human rights to "doing nothing about the enemy" you make yourself look foolish. Torturing the enemy or treating them inhumanely is not fighting them. Your analogy is illogical and very disingenuous.
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Changes nothing, no reason to bring them up here.
 
celticlord said:
illegal enemy combatants.

Keep them out of civilian prisons and out of the tender mercies of civilian law.
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Can't that be done while also housing them in the big empty prison in Montana? Montana is the only state that wants them.
 
talloulou said:
can't that be done while also housing them in the big empty prison in montana? Montana is the only state that wants them.
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stop it! I order you to stop saying montana!
 
American said:
GD you!!! How dare you want to dirty up one of the most beautiful states in the union. Keep'em down there with the commies.
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The beautiful state has a big empty prison that drains on their economy. The people of Hardin want the prison to be used. They want the jobs putting it to use will bring.

It's max security so it's not like you have to worry about them escaping or anything.

I guess I don't see what the issue is.
 
talloulou said:
Can't that be done while also housing them in the big empty prison in Montana? Montana is the only state that wants them.
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The only person who really wanted them was the Economic Development Director.


They did have a county vote amongst the politicians saying they'd take them.
That about as likely the view of those they supposedly represent as Osama Bin Laden and that egyptian turd having their base of operations in Hardin, Montana. Likely why Congressional Reps have pretty much dismissed the idea.

No reason to move them from gitmo, no reason to close gitmo.
gitmo will be needed in the future.



Some townspeople - whether they like the idea or not - doubt it will come to pass.

"I saw on the news last night that there are only three prisons in the country that could hold them, maximum-security prisons. So what's this little one-horse deal? There ain't a chance in hell," said Bill Moehr, 77, a former cattle ranch manager who lives next to the jail.

Bonnie Kennedy, a 60-year-old convenience store clerk who also lives next door, chuckled when asked if she thought terrorists would be moving in any time soon.

"Like that's going to ever happen. But it did put us back on the map," she said. "I can't say I like it, but it might get us some interest from somebody who could actually use it."
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IOW DOA..and the residents(forget the politicians) seem to clearly understand its all a PR stunt.
 
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Who says its closing?


Guantánamo detainees to get laptops


They are setting up a computer lab equipped with state of the art laptops for Gitmo approved classes. Come to Gitmo and get a degree.


"no timetable for closure"
 
talloulou said:
It's a poor region in Montana and they could use the jobs.
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My home town has 4 or 5 prisons(I forget to be honest, I avoid actually going into town), one of which is being closed down. We need jobs badly, so I think we would happily take the detainees if it meant keeping the one prison open.
 
akyron said:
Who says its closing?


Guantánamo detainees to get laptops


They are setting up a computer lab equipped with state of the art laptops for Gitmo approved classes. Come to Gitmo and get a degree.


"no timetable for closure"
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They are for the men who are leaving Gitmo as soon as there is a country willing to take them. They are not being returned to their home country.

meh, I don't necessarily have a problem with 17 laptops.
 
Have you seen any of the "inside Gauntanamo" specials a couple of the educational cable channels have run? Anything that keeps the prisoners occupied and not messing with the guards is money well spent.
 
Redress said:
Have you seen any of the "inside Gauntanamo" specials a couple of the educational cable channels have run? Anything that keeps the prisoners occupied and not messing with the guards is money well spent.
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Well that aside, it's some detainees that are getting laptops. And those "some" are the ones we have already decided to release and just have not worked out the details of to where yet. But these are men who will be free. They are men we don't want to hold anymore. Men we've decided don't need to be locked up. Right?

So who cares. I find it hard to get excited about it.
 
Lerxst said:
Your the one slinging horse manure here. And it's your attitude that is a detriment this country right now. Rising above the mud to treat our captives with some level of decency, to honor human rights is not copping out. What Redress said in no way equates to your nonsensical assertion.

We have captured the enemy, disarmed them, and they are now our prisoner. We've done something and the threat they posed has been neutralized. Now we treat them like humans, despite their crimes, and we try them. If our case is sound they will be convicted. And the threat will remain neutralized.

We do not honor the human rights of our citizens simply because they are citizens. We honor them because we have an obligation as a civilized nation to act civilized.

Every time you spout garbage that equates observing human rights to "doing nothing about the enemy" you make yourself look foolish. Torturing the enemy or treating them inhumanely is not fighting them. Your analogy is illogical and very disingenuous.
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I believe that we should treat the detainees with the utmost level of respect. They should also stay in Guantanamo. The two are not incompatible.

As celticlord pointed out, prisons are for people who broke the laws of this country and are awaiting trial with all the rights due under the Constitution. These people did not break the law of this country and are not awaiting trials with all the rights due under the Constitution. They have no business being in our prisons.

talloulou said:
I'm actually coming around to sending them all to Montana. Hardin, Montana wants them, has a big empty prison, has an armed populace in favor of taking them and so why not?
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Gotta get that past Baucus and Tester.
 
talloulou said:
They are for the men who are leaving Gitmo as soon as there is a country willing to take them. They are not being returned to their home country.

meh, I don't necessarily have a problem with 17 laptops.
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I dont have a problem with it. Despite the rhetoric and an unenforcable "executive order" I dont feel it will close for quite some time.
 
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