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Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo

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Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo - USATODAY.com

WASHINGTON — Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.

By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states.

The findings underscore the difficult task President Obama faces in convincing those at home that he should follow through on his campaign promise to close the prison in Cuba, especially in the absence of a plan of where the prisoners would go.
 
Government by polls, yeah. What's wrong with your brain?

It's a shame that people rely on polls to make their arguments. Is popularism really that important?

What's wrong with relying on polls to get a sense of what the pulse of America is? There is a difference between putting every issue to a poll or the ballot and using polls to get an idea of what America is thinking.

The reality here is...the left-wing continues to shoot themselves in the foot with their feigned outrage. Americans continue to see through their rhetoric.

Conservative logic: Popular opinion doesn't matter...except when it matters.

So, the Democratic party doesn't listen to public opinion polls??

Somebody better tell the guy in accounting writing all the big checks to professional pollsters.;)

Now that we got that out of the way, let's talk about the topic.
 
Wonder if this is why President Obama is having a hard time getting congressional support for his plan.
 
If Obama really wants to close Gitmo, he's going to have to override some Senator's objections and put these people in one state. Considering the trouble we've had getting Reid to allow the government to dig a 30X30 hole in a goddamn mountain to bury all the nuclear waste that would be produced in the next decade, I don't think this will be easy.
 
If Obama really wants to close Gitmo, he's going to have to override some Senator's objections and put these people in one state. Considering the trouble we've had getting Reid to allow the government to dig a 30X30 hole in a goddamn mountain to bury all the nuclear waste that would be produced in the next decade, I don't think this will be easy.

One of the state prisons in my home town is being shut down this year. We would happily turn it over to holding the people from Gitmo.
 
If Obama really wants to close Gitmo, he's going to have to override some Senator's objections and put these people in one state. Considering the trouble we've had getting Reid to allow the government to dig a 30X30 hole in a goddamn mountain to bury all the nuclear waste that would be produced in the next decade, I don't think this will be easy.

Oh well there you go, we can put the terrorists in with the nuclier wast, seal the door, problem solved.
 
Closing Gitmo is stupid.

This is a big loser for Obama and he crayoned himself into a corner..all to placate the nitwit extreme Far Left bozo crowd.




I like the idea I heard somewhere of simply renaming it 'Happy Sunshine Camp' and leaving it alone.
 
If Obama really wants to close Gitmo, he's going to have to override some Senator's objections and put these people in one state. Considering the trouble we've had getting Reid to allow the government to dig a 30X30 hole in a goddamn mountain to bury all the nuclear waste that would be produced in the next decade, I don't think this will be easy.

I'm actually coming around to sending them all to Montana. Hardin, Montana wants them, has a big empty prison, has an armed populace in favor of taking them and so why not?
 
People who oppose holding terrorists on American soil are absolute wusses. How many F-ing Cubans have made it to America. For F-sake. The only reason they used Gitmo was because, in the Bush Administrations opinion, it provided the legal limbo required to operate. Give terrorists some type of legal status that allows them to be held on American soil. Build a prison or use one of our current prisons. No need for the Bermuda Triangle of prison camps.
 
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Wonder if this is why President Obama is having a hard time getting congressional support for his plan.

I wasn't aware that anyone in congress gave a crap about those who they represent.
 
I'm actually coming around to sending them all to Montana. Hardin, Montana wants them, has a big empty prison, has an armed populace in favor of taking them and so why not?
Terrorists should not be placed in civilian prisons on US soil. That implies they are criminals under US law.

Terrorists are not criminals. They are illegal enemy combatants, operating beyond the sanction of both US law and the Geneva Conventions, and their detention needs to be reflective of this.
 
Terrorists should not be placed in civilian prisons on US soil. That implies they are criminals under US law.

Terrorists are not criminals. They are illegal enemy combatants, operating beyond the sanction of both US law and the Geneva Conventions, and their detention needs to be reflective of this.

I prefer "criminal" to "enemy combatant". "Enemy Combatant" sounds almost legit, while what I think of terrorists is that they are just criminals lowlifes. Or to put it another way: I do not oppose terrorists for what they stand for, but for what they do.
 
I prefer "criminal" to "enemy combatant". "Enemy Combatant" sounds almost legit, while what I think of terrorists is that they are just criminals lowlifes. Or to put it another way: I do not oppose terrorists for what they stand for, but for what they do.
Put it this way:

Criminals are people who break the law. In administering justice, the criminal is both subject to the law (and the law's sanction) and protected by the law.

The terrorist does not merely break the law. The terrorist dismisses the law. The terrorist of his own volition places himself outside the law, claims not to be subject to the law, and therefore has no claim on the protections of the law.

There is no justice in giving terrorists the protection of law. They sneer at it, they have contempt for it, so let them do without it.
 
Put it this way:

Criminals are people who break the law. In administering justice, the criminal is both subject to the law (and the law's sanction) and protected by the law.

The terrorist does not merely break the law. The terrorist dismisses the law. The terrorist of his own volition places himself outside the law, claims not to be subject to the law, and therefore has no claim on the protections of the law.

There is no justice in giving terrorists the protection of law. They sneer at it, they have contempt for it, so let them do without it.

And I would like us to be better than them.
 
And I would like us to be better than them.
That's a cop out, and a load of horse manure to boot. That's like refusing to smack the school bully because "fighting never solves anything", then standing by wailing helplessly while said bully helps himself to your lunch money.
 
That's a cop out, and a load of horse manure to boot. That's like refusing to smack the school bully because "fighting never solves anything", then standing by wailing helplessly while said bully helps himself to your lunch money.

Except I am not letting any one bully me.
 
Gitmo is an acid test for me.

Anyone who wants to shut it down, I immediately dismiss as irrelevant to any discussion.

Closing Gitmo is an idiotic idea coming from idiotic ideology. No intellectually honest person could possibly be for this.
 
Terrorists should not be placed in civilian prisons on US soil. That implies they are criminals under US law.

Terrorists are not criminals. They are illegal enemy combatants, operating beyond the sanction of both US law and the Geneva Conventions, and their detention needs to be reflective of this.

But Hardin apparently has a big prison standing empty. Since there are no civilians in it and it is not being used why not use it for enemy combatants?
 
Why wouldn't we want to house enemy combatants that we are detaining on our soil?
 
I'm actually coming around to sending them all to Montana. Hardin, Montana wants them, has a big empty prison, has an armed populace in favor of taking them and so why not?
GD you!!! How dare you want to dirty up one of the most beautiful states in the union. Keep'em down there with the commies.
 
Why wouldn't we want to house enemy combatants that we are detaining on our soil?
illegal enemy combatants.

Keep them out of civilian prisons and out of the tender mercies of civilian law.
 
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