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Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia

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ATLANTA — The Justice Department has rejected Georgia's system of using Social Security numbers and driver's license data to check whether prospective voters are citizens, a process that was a subject of a federal lawsuit in the weeks leading up to November's election.

In a letter released on Monday, the Justice Department said the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters. The decision means Georgia must halt the citizenship checks, although the state can still ask the Justice Department to reconsider, according to the letter and to the Georgia secretary of state's office.

"This flawed system frequently subjects a disproportionate number of African-American, Asian and/or Hispanic voters to additional, and more importantly, erroneous burdens on the right to register to vote," Loretta King, acting assistant attorney general of the Justice Department's civil rights division, said. King's letter was sent to Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker on Friday.
Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia

Yeah cause if you ain't white, you're too stupid to get proper ID, you're scared to show it, and you need mommy government to protect you from them damn racist mo'fo just tryin to insure use is Amer'can!
 
Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia

Yeah cause if you ain't white, you're too stupid to get proper ID, you're scared to show it, and you need mommy government to protect you from them damn racist mo'fo just tryin to insure use is Amer'can!

That has been the mentality about it here.

They will frequently trot out an elderly person saying "they don't have a birth certificate so they can't vote" and on and on.

All the usual suspects are against it as well.

The state even amended the bill so that anyone who can't afford a state ID can get one free. They have done everything to accommodate the people complaining.
 
So how was this so-called flawed system implemented? The article never specified.

Were all people registering to vote subjected to the ID checks? or just minority groups?
 
So how was this so-called flawed system implemented? The article never specified.

Were all people registering to vote subjected to the ID checks? or just minority groups?

Everyone is required to present a valid form of ID before they can vote.

Georgia does not actively try to suppress minority groups.
 
So how was this so-called flawed system implemented? The article never specified.

Were all people registering to vote subjected to the ID checks? or just minority groups?

Man, don't you know? If you had skin that was a shade less then Ivory, you best had 3 forms of ID with you to even think bout votin!



Anyway, the bill was at everyone, you wanna vote.. just prove you're eligible to vote and registered.

But doing that really makes it hard for ACORN to work it's magic...
 
Feds spike voter citizenship checks in Georgia

Yeah cause if you ain't white, you're too stupid to get proper ID, you're scared to show it, and you need mommy government to protect you from them damn racist mo'fo just tryin to insure use is Amer'can!

Georgia's major problem was that they didn't follow the law in regards to enacting these laws. They failed to submit for clearance the section 5 regulations and in failing to do so, violated the Voting Rights Act. It isn't a question of someone being too stupid to obtain proper ID, it's a case of politicians being ignorant about election law.

I would object to the satirical categorization of people who are not white as being too "stupid" when it comes to registering to vote and by implication, having the gall to file a lawsuit about it. Read on page 24 of the compaint, and you will see that a legal citizen who was told he needed to verify that he was a citizen did so, and even after doing so, received a letter stating that he would not be able to vote, even after providing adequate proof! "Mommy government" is needed in this instance as civil rights and voting are federal matters. If your state government egregiously wiped you off wrongly from the voter list and you took care of it, and they still refused to correct it, where should you turn?
 
Georgia's major problem was that they didn't follow the law in regards to enacting these laws. They failed to submit for clearance the section 5 regulations and in failing to do so, violated the Voting Rights Act. It isn't a question of someone being too stupid to obtain proper ID, it's a case of politicians being ignorant about election law.

I would object to the satirical categorization of people who are not white as being too "stupid" when it comes to registering to vote and by implication, having the gall to file a lawsuit about it. Read on page 24 of the compaint, and you will see that a legal citizen who was told he needed to verify that he was a citizen did so, and even after doing so, received a letter stating that he would not be able to vote, even after providing adequate proof! "Mommy government" is needed in this instance as civil rights and voting are federal matters. If your state government egregiously wiped you off wrongly from the voter list and you took care of it, and they still refused to correct it, where should you turn?


Why is it even an issue to ask for ID and proof of citizenship to vote? Taht should be SOP for all states, and all voting.

Everytime something like that (here in Texas the Dems defeated such a proposal BTW) is brought up, we hear that Minorities can't handle showing ID.

Doesn't matter the merits of the case, it's always that minorities need government protection.

And THAT was what I was pokin fun at.
 
It's not clear to me how the system was "flawed," as alleged, but if it is, shouldn't the state be fixing that? I don't have a problem with verifying the citizenship status of every wannabe voter, as long as the system isn't flawed, and as long as it's applied to every voter, not just the ones who look like their name could be "Julio."
 
Why is it even an issue to ask for ID and proof of citizenship to vote? Taht should be SOP for all states, and all voting.
If you have to show a photo ID to buy a gun, you very certainly should also need to show a photo ID to vote.
 
If you have to show a photo ID to buy a gun, you very certainly should also need to show a photo ID to vote.

I don't remember whether or not I had to present photo ID the first time I voted in my precinct, but they "verify" that I am who I say I am by asking me to provide my birthdate and address. Presumably I get no hassles as long as the info I provide matches what's on their records.

So yes, in a way, I have to verify who I say I am, but not necessarily with a photo ID. Not that that would be a problem, since I carry my driver's license with me at all times.
 
How is this law discriminatory towards minorities? They obviously need an ID to get their gubmint cheese every month.
 
If you have to show a photo ID to buy a gun, you very certainly should also need to show a photo ID to vote.
I guess minorities aren't having any problems getting guns.
 
Well, naturally the Messiah Administration would oppose ID and proof-of-citizenship requirements for voters. Where would he be if the people demanded HE present his birth certificate?

Besides which, demanding proof of citizenship would cut into the votes the Democrats get.
 
Why is it even an issue to ask for ID and proof of citizenship to vote? Taht should be SOP for all states, and all voting.

As the case clearly shows, when you show proper ID, you are still not allowed to vote. If they had a way to remedy the flaws of their program, it would still be in use.

Everytime something like that (here in Texas the Dems defeated such a proposal BTW) is brought up, we hear that Minorities can't handle showing ID.

O.K., so what can they do to remedy the situation concerning a flawed program and a flawed response on the part of the state government who refuses to correct the situation? what would you like to see them do so that "those minorities" can correct the situation as to how you see fit?

Doesn't matter the merits of the case, it's always that minorities need government protection.

And that matters because?......
 
I thought forcing someone to prove they qualify for a constitutional right infringes on their right and is thus constitutionally illegal?
 
I thought forcing someone to prove they qualify for a constitutional right infringes on their right and is thus constitutionally illegal?

But if they were not US citizens then they would not have the the right to vote. So by making them prove that they are in fact US citizens would that be unconstitutional? :confused:
 
Well, naturally the Messiah Administration would oppose ID and proof-of-citizenship requirements for voters. Where would he be if the people demanded HE present his birth certificate?

Besides which, demanding proof of citizenship would cut into the votes the Democrats get.


The "Messiah administration" didn't bring the lawsuit, nor did any of his cabinet agencies. It was brought about by a U.S. citizen, aided by a non-profit group who sought to remedy an injustice committed against his civil rights.

Your second point can't be substantiated in any way. What can be proven is that even after following the requirements of the law, he was still denied the right to vote.
 
But if they were not US citizens then they would not have the the right to vote. So by making them prove that they are in fact US citizens would that be unconstitutional? :confused:

From a debate I was in a few weeks ago it is unconstitutional for gun rights. I guess it's OK for voting though?
 
From a debate I was in a few weeks ago it is unconstitutional for gun rights. I guess it's OK for voting though?

I dont know. I was asking and not trying to be sarcastic.
 
From a debate I was in a few weeks ago it is unconstitutional for gun rights. I guess it's OK for voting though?

There is no constitutional right to vote. It's up to each state to determine how they are going to select their various representatives.
 
From a debate I was in a few weeks ago it is unconstitutional for gun rights. I guess it's OK for voting though?
Gun ownership does not in and of itself affect the political process. Voting does. I would have to check, but I believe it is up to the States to determine voting requirements.
 
Policies that only allow registered voters to vote "disproportionately discriminate against minorities" as well.
 
Policies that only allow registered voters to vote "disproportionately discriminate against minorities" as well.

How so? Are minorities not able to register to vote or is it somehow more difficult for them to register to vote?
 
Policies that only allow registered voters to vote "disproportionately discriminate against minorities" as well.

Are minorities too stupid to figure out how to register to vote?
 
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