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Army Recruiter Killed In Little Rock Shooting

I'm guessing that this story didn't make big headlines for the following reasons:

1. People are shot and killed every single day for a wide variety of reasons. What makes this case so special? Is it because he's Muslim and possibly did it for religious purposes? This isn't a big terrorist plot. It was one man shooting two men (one wounded, the other dead). Not only that, but this was in a mostly rural state. It seems to me that if it was a big terrorist plot they would have targeted something far bigger than two men outside of a recruitment station in Little Rock, Arkansas.

2. As it stated in the article, there is no indication that he did anything other than act alone in this. The FBI is involved and I'm sure if there is a bigger plot at work here it will get headlines.

3. Not everyone is on a crusade to demonize Islam, least of all the media. We are in a War on Terror, but this was one guy most likely acting alone. I'm sure that this would get bigger headlines if it warranted bigger headlines. Don't get me wrong, I hope this guy gets punished to the fullest extent of the law and I feel horrible for the man who died and his family. However, I still don't think that it warrants big headlines.
 
SgtRock said:
The fact is a soldier was killed in Little Rock by a terrorist who received training in Yeman. Its not just a run of the mill everyday murder.
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What???? But the LA Times reports claim he was NOT affiliated with any organization?!! How can this be??? :rofl

I thought that Obama represented the change terrorists can believe in and that they will now sit down and talk to Obama and see that he understands and “empathizes” with their pain and they will not continue attacking us!!

There is a reason Rush calls them the "drive-by" media. The media rarely care to vet stories these days, they just take whatever it is they get off the wire and cut and paste it into their papers.

It is much like the story of the missing Air France story...they all start with the same uninformed talking point...then as the facts come in, continue parroting whatever theory is thrown out there without any investigative effort.

BUT, if it is a cause, perhaps like the murder of an abortionist, they will run numerous long articles and investigate the hell out of it until they can either prove it was due to right wing extremists or George Bush's fault.
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SgtRock said:
The fact is a soldier was killed in Little Rock by a terrorist who received training in Yeman. Its not just a run of the mill everyday murder.
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What training did he receive in Yemen? I haven't read anything about that from any news source so far.
 
SgtRock said:
The fact is a soldier was killed in Little Rock by a terrorist who received training in Yeman. Its not just a run of the mill everyday murder.
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That's because the media is following Obama's rule that there is no "war on terror" anymore. :roll:
 
Agent Ferris said:
But you don't get it. Targeted assassination versus one loan nut.
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So you're suggesting that Tiller's murderer didn't plan to kill Tiller but just walked into the church and randomly picked Tiller out as a victim?
 
dclxvinoise said:
I'm guessing that this story didn't make big headlines for the following reasons:

1. People are shot and killed every single day for a wide variety of reasons. What makes this case so special? Is it because he's Muslim and possibly did it for religious purposes? This isn't a big terrorist plot. It was one man shooting two men (one wounded, the other dead). Not only that, but this was in a mostly rural state. It seems to me that if it was a big terrorist plot they would have targeted something far bigger than two men outside of a recruitment station in Little Rock, Arkansas.

2. As it stated in the article, there is no indication that he did anything other than act alone in this. The FBI is involved and I'm sure if there is a bigger plot at work here it will get headlines.

3. Not everyone is on a crusade to demonize Islam, least of all the media. We are in a War on Terror, but this was one guy most likely acting alone. I'm sure that this would get bigger headlines if it warranted bigger headlines. Don't get me wrong, I hope this guy gets punished to the fullest extent of the law and I feel horrible for the man who died and his family. However, I still don't think that it warrants big headlines.
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I guess it doesn't occur to you that the SAME can be said for the murder of the abortionist. Here let me illustrate this for you by merely substituting a few words:

I'm guessing that this story didn't make big headlines for the following reasons:

1. People are shot and killed every single day for a wide variety of reasons. What makes this case so special? Is it because he's anti-abortion and possibly did it for religious purposes? This isn't a big terrorist plot. It was one man shooting ONE man . Not only that, but this was in a mostly rural state. It seems to me that if it was a big terrorist plot they would have targeted something far bigger than one man outside of a church in Kansas City, Kansas.

2. As it stated in the article, there is no indication that he did anything other than act alone in this. The FBI is involved and I'm sure if there is a bigger plot at work here it will get headlines.

3. .....I'm sure that this would get bigger headlines if it warranted bigger headlines. Don't get me wrong, I hope this guy gets punished to the fullest extent of the law and I feel horrible for the man who died and his family. However, I still don't think that it warrants big headlines.

But the reason the abortionist is BIG news is because the media defends the right to abortion, even late term abortions and seeks to impugn anyone who has anti-abortion opinion. That is EXACTLY the point Sarge is making.

I am hardly surprised you will continue to fail to see the irony in your assertions.
 
Gibberish said:
Are you suggesting that, since this murderer is Muslim, we should assume this man successfully committed a terrorist attack on American soil and it is not just a murderer? The article quickly points out that this man was merely a Muslim and not connected to any group, to remove the thought that this was a terrorist attack.
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Your obtuse notions about my assertions aside, it is readily apparent that I am asserting that there is a profound BIAS in the mainstream media and the methods they use doing their reporting.

Funny how you completely ignore that to continue on an uninformed rant about what I MAY have meant when it is pretty damned cleat.

Gibberish said:
Scott Roeder, Tiller's murderer, was a former member of Montana Freemen (an antii-government group) and alleged current member of the anti-government group Sovereign Citizen Movement, he was also convicted have having bomb making materials in his car in the 90's and is diagnosed schizophrenic.
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And that is supposed to mean what?

Gibberish said:
But since he's not a Muslim labeling him a terrorist is just wrong. :roll:
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What a fascinating assertion; did the news stories label Scott a terrorist? I must have missed that argument.

But assuming it had, who is making the argument you claim; certainly not me or Sarge? Fascinating how you continue to fail when it comes to reading comprehension or is it just willful denial?

Gibberish said:
Yes your agenda and biases are clear in every post you make.
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It is clear why you chose "Gibberish" for a screen name based on the above.

Main Entry: gibberish !ji-b(u-)rish !gi-b(u-)rish
Pronunciation: \ ˈji-b(ə-)rish, ˈgi- \
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from gibber
Date: circa 1554
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a. a technical or esoteric language b. b pretentious or needlessly obscure language

So all that stated, can you explain how the story about the murder of an abortionist deserves numerous pages of news space over several days versus the story of someone shooting military personnel and recruits outside of recruiting stations?

While you are desperately trying to explain that, can you also explain why the news desperately attempts to explain away this Muslim as not belonging to any group without any investigation yet are more than happy to associate Scott with “right wing militias?”

The honest answers to those questions will bring you closer to the TRUTH and move you away from parroting Liberal talking points and attacking me personally.
 
Gibberish said:
What training did he receive in Yemen? I haven't read anything about that from any news source so far.
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Perhaps with some effort from the media, you will get this news. That was the WHOLE point of Sarge's argument. :doh
 
Truth Detector said:
I guess it doesn't occur to you that the SAME can be said for the murder of the abortionist. Here let me illustrate this for you by merely substituting a few words:

I'm guessing that this story didn't make big headlines for the following reasons:

1. People are shot and killed every single day for a wide variety of reasons. What makes this case so special? Is it because he's anti-abortion and possibly did it for religious purposes? This isn't a big terrorist plot. It was one man shooting ONE man . Not only that, but this was in a mostly rural state. It seems to me that if it was a big terrorist plot they would have targeted something far bigger than one man outside of a church in Kansas City, Kansas.

2. As it stated in the article, there is no indication that he did anything other than act alone in this. The FBI is involved and I'm sure if there is a bigger plot at work here it will get headlines.

3. .....I'm sure that this would get bigger headlines if it warranted bigger headlines. Don't get me wrong, I hope this guy gets punished to the fullest extent of the law and I feel horrible for the man who died and his family. However, I still don't think that it warrants big headlines.

But the reason the abortionist is BIG news is because the media defends the right to abortion, even late term abortions and seeks to impugn anyone who has anti-abortion opinion. That is EXACTLY the point Sarge is making.

I am hardly surprised you will continue to fail to see the irony in your assertions.
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Um... I'm also not asserting that it's a big terrorist plot or complaining that it's not getting big enough headlines. I also think the reason that the Tiller issue got big headlines is because Tiller is a big controversial figure in the abortion issue as he performed many late term abortions. I realize it's more fun to assert that there is some big left wing media conspiracy going on, but based on what I've seen it hardly seems realistic.

And please try to stay on topic and quit trying to derail the thread with your incessant trolling and lame personal attacks. Thanks.
 
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Perhaps with some effort from the media, you will get this news. That was the WHOLE point of Sarge's argument. :doh
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If SgtRock has some inside information on this murderer being trained to perform such attacks in Yemen he should share it. Until then there is no factual evidence that Yemen has anything to do with this.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Um... I'm also not asserting that it's a big terrorist plot....
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Who made this argument?

dclxvinoise said:
Um....or complaining that it's not getting big enough headlines.
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Who made this argument?

dclxvinoise said:
I also think the reason that the Tiller issue got big headlines is because Tiller is a big controversial figure in the abortion issue as he performed many late term abortions.
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I would beg to differ with you; a vast majority of people, like myself, have never heard of this person until he commited a murder, much like we never know this "converted" Muslim before he murdered military recruits.

How is one MORE relevant than the other if not for an agenda?

dclxvinoise said:
I realize it's more fun to assert that there is some big left wing media conspiracy going on, but based on what I've seen it hardly seems realistic.
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Yet I posted two articles in the same paper at the same time to prove my case; yours is more of the "because I say so." Hardly compelling don't you think?

The only thing that is NOT realistic is your desperate attempt to suggest that your opinion somehow should trump the FACTS.

dclxvinoise said:
And please try to stay on topic and quit trying to derail the thread with your incessant trolling and lame personal attacks. Thanks.
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Once again, more of your OPINION and "because you say so;" I am definitely ON topic and you would have to re-define trolling and what a "personal" attack is to claim I am doing that here.

But then, desperate hyperbole is more your forte' than putting together a coherent argument.

What this really is, is your realization that you are not making much sense so now you have to assert this is “personal” in nature which appears to also be your MO here on DP.

Now try to STAY on topic and deal with the ARGUMENTS and stop desperately trying to make this “personal.”
 
Gibberish said:
If SgtRock has some inside information on this murderer being trained to perform such attacks in Yemen he should share it. Until then there is no factual evidence that Yemen has anything to do with this.
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I am sure that with some time this evidence will be posted here as the media catches up with the FACTS. I agree, Sgt. should post any evidence he has as to this Muslim Converts background which the media appears to be desperate to avoid.
 
Truth Detector said:
Who made this argument?
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SgtRock said:
Thats complete BS, Natalee Holloway, Caylee Anthony, Stacy Peterson, and JonBentet Ramsey were all complete unknowns. And Im sure there is a plot and this guy could lead to a terrorist network. But nooooo, we can't have the media beating the drum in this case. Its politically incorrect. It might offend someone.
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Who made this argument?
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SgtRock said:
Do not expect to see this story in the mainstream media. If you do it wont last more than a few days and then it will be dropped unlike the story of the child killer Dr George Tiller which will remain in the news for months. Kept alive by the pro-choice media. Meanwhile this story will be buried asap.Its a sickening twisted backwards time we live in.
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I would beg to differ with you; a vast majority of people, like myself, have never heard of this person until he commited a murder, much like we never know this "converted" Muslim before he murdered military recruits.
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I've heard of him before. I'm sure a fair amount of pro-life people have heard of him before. I've never heard of the army recruiter before and I'd wager a guess that nobody here on DP has heard of him before either.

How is one MORE relevant than the other if not for an agenda?
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I already went over this.

Yet I posted two articles in the same paper at the same time to prove my case; yours is more of the "because I say so." Hardly compelling don't you think?
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Again, I already went over this. You may not view Tiller as higher profile, but a lot of people do. He's been in the headlines before because he's a topic of controversy. None of the people involved in this story have that I've seen.

The only thing that is NOT realistic is your desperate attempt to suggest that your opinion somehow should trump the FACTS.
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More personal attacks.

Once again, more of your OPINION and "because you say so;" I am definitely ON topic and you would have to re-define trolling and what a "personal" attack is to claim I am doing that here.

But then, desperate hyperbole is more your forte' than putting together a coherent argument.

What this really is, is your realization that you are not making much sense so now you have to assert this is “personal” in nature which appears to also be your MO here on DP.

Now try to STAY on topic and deal with the ARGUMENTS and stop desperately trying to make this “personal.”
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I don't know why you insist on doing this every time you get in an argument with someone that you don't agree with. From now on, I'm just going to start reporting your posts. So take that as fair warning and please try to stay on topic without resorting to personal attacks. Thanks.
 
Truth Detector said:
Your obtuse notions about my assertions aside, it is readily apparent that I am asserting that there is a profound BIAS in the mainstream media and the methods they use doing their reporting.

Funny how you completely ignore that to continue on an uninformed rant about what I MAY have meant when it is pretty damned cleat.
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I didn't ignore that at all. There is a bias in the media. They only report on the most dramatic stories.

This Army Recruiter murderer committed a terrorist attack (killing one of our military personnel on American soil). What we don't know is if this murderer committed this act for political, religious, or personal reason. What we do know thus far is he committed this act on his own as their is no evidence to suggest otherwise. We don't and shouldn't randomly associate acts to group of people when there is no evidence to support association.


Truth Detector said:
And that is supposed to mean what?
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You implied that the media was wrongfully labeling Scott Roeder as an anti-government extremist. I was pointing out that he was a known anti-government extremist.

It seems you find it OK for the media to label all Muslims who commit crimes terrorists but it's not OK to label known extremists as extremists if they aren't Muslim.

Truth Detector said:
What a fascinating assertion; did the news stories label Scott a terrorist? I must have missed that argument.
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Of course not, it was a murder. A terrorist attack would have required an attack to our government or infrastructure. If this Muslim killed some random person on the street and not military personnel would you still call him a terrorist?

Truth Detector said:
But assuming it had, who is making the argument you claim; certainly not me or Sarge? Fascinating how you continue to fail when it comes to reading comprehension or is it just willful denial?
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Your previous post is clear that you found the media biased in this instance because they did not associated the Army Recruiter's murderer with an terrorist groups but did point out that Tiller's murder was part of anti-government groups.



Truth Detector said:
It is clear why you chose "Gibberish" for a screen name based on the above.

Main Entry: gibberish !ji-b(u-)rish !gi-b(u-)rish
Pronunciation: \ ˈji-b(ə-)rish, ˈgi- \
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from gibber
Date: circa 1554
Results
a. a technical or esoteric language b. b pretentious or needlessly obscure language
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Your debate skills are outstanding. :roll:

Truth Detector said:
So all that stated, can you explain how the story about the murder of an abortionist deserves numerous pages of news space over several days versus the story of someone shooting military personnel and recruits outside of recruiting stations?
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Because the individual killed and the individual who performed the murder both have independent controversial history. Especially the one murdered. A public figure being murdered will also receive more media coverage then someone 99% of America has never heard of.


Truth Detector said:
While you are desperately trying to explain that, can you also explain why the news desperately attempts to explain away this Muslim as not belonging to any group without any investigation yet are more than happy to associate Scott with “right wing militias?”
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Because Scott was KNOWN to be associated with anti-government militias, the Muslim was not known to be associated with any terrorist groups and no groups have claimed to be working with him. In refrence to his conversion to Islam, his local mosque said he has never attended.

Truth Detector said:
The honest answers to those questions will bring you closer to the TRUTH and move you away from parroting Liberal talking points and attacking me personally.
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:rofl I hope everyone else get's as much of a laugh at this as I did. The irony of you stating this is overwhelming, especially given the quoted responses above.
 
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Truth Detector said:
I am sure that with some time this evidence will be posted here as the media catches up with the FACTS. I agree, Sgt. should post any evidence he has as to this Muslim Converts background which the media appears to be desperate to avoid.
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Evidence must exist for the media to avoid it. Obviously SgtRock's word that Yemen in involved is fact enough for you.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, Recruiter Shooting Suspect, Under FBI Investigation - ABC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/04recruit.html?ref=us

I think its just a matter of time for it all to come out.
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As I stated, and every news agency has, this is a terrorist attack. It will be interesting to see how deep it goes. The deeper it does go the more this story will trump the Tiller murder.

Quite honestly my first impression of the murderer is he is just fed up with life and looking to do something more dangerous. I guess an international spy is to hard to work up to so he went the bad guy route? Trying to either become a terrorist or Somali pirate, whoever will take him.
 
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Gibberish said:
As I stated, and every news agency has, this is a terrorist attack. It will be interesting to see how deep it goes.

Quite honestly my first impression of the murderer is he is just fed up with life and looking to do something more dangerous. I guess an international spy is to hard to work up to so he went the bad guy route? Trying to either become a terrorist or Somali pirate, whoever will take him.
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I agree the dood is a wackjob.... I think Islam was his excuse for his insanity.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I don't know why you insist on doing this every time you get in an argument with someone that you don't agree with. From now on, I'm just going to start reporting your posts. So take that as fair warning and please try to stay on topic without resorting to personal attacks. Thanks.
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I don't know why you insist on labeling EVERYTHING I post a personal attack other than to whine and go off a tangent.

Go for it dude, report my posts every opportunity you have. :rofl

As for the notion that Tiller was well known, that is false prior to all the news media efforts to report this to support the anti-anti-abortion campaign which is self evident in the reporting of these TWO stories; on of which truly is an attack on our Government, the other merely a nutbag making a political statement.

I would be far more worried about continued Muslim attacks on our Government and civilians than I would of some obscure anti-abortionist which the media wants to connect to "militias" which are certainly of lesser import then terrorists.

You attempted to play the semantic game and you failed. Now you want to whine and rant about "perceived" personal attacks; how trite.

Now run off to the basement to whine; I have better things to do than to enter into a never ending circle of futility dealing with your circular arguments.
 
Gibberish said:
Quite honestly my first impression of the murderer is he is just fed up with life and looking to do something more dangerous. .....
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I think this is exactly the impression the mainstream press wished us to have by NOT making this a prominent story; or as prominent as a right wing extremist who killed an abortion clinic doctor; which also happens to be the exact point of my comments and postings. :2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
I think this is exactly the impression the mainstream press wished us to have by NOT making this a prominent story; or as prominent as a right wing extremist who killed an abortion clinic doctor; which also happens to be the exact point of my comments and postings. :2wave:
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The media doesn't portray that. The mans actions do. Your comments attempt to suggest conspiracy theories involving the media.
 
Truth Detector said:
Funny how THIS story is not as important as the shooting of an abortion clinic doctor isn't it?
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It's funny how you believe the story of one lunatic murdering someone should be more important over another lunatic murdering someone.
 
SgtRock said:
In America we do not have jihadist shootings/murders everyday. In fact since 9-11 we havn't had hardly any. This story should be promenent but it is not because the media is biased. Tiller the killer's story is still in the media and will continue to be.

A nice day to you
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The global jihad should be a prominent story, my point wasn't that this wasn't newsworthy only that it's a small part of a much larger story which isn't being told.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I'm guessing that this story didn't make big headlines for the following reasons:

1. People are shot and killed every single day for a wide variety of reasons. What makes this case so special? Is it because he's Muslim and possibly did it for religious purposes? This isn't a big terrorist plot. It was one man shooting two men (one wounded, the other dead). Not only that, but this was in a mostly rural state. It seems to me that if it was a big terrorist plot they would have targeted something far bigger than two men outside of a recruitment station in Little Rock, Arkansas.
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It was a targeted assassination of U.S. military personal on U.S. soil by a member of the global Jihad.
 
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