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Cheney Says There Was No Iraq Link to 9/11 Attacks

So your entire argument is based on the Putin's statements being 100% truthful. Good luck with that. We know Putin is just a stand up guy that has American's best interest in mind.

Not at all! He could be lying for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he said it.

And what if Saddam did attack us and it came out that Putin had warned us? We would have been demanding Bush's head on a platter for ignoring the warning.

If Saddam was planning terrorist attacks and the Russians showed us evidence it can't just be ignored. We never used this as a reason to go to war. But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.
 
Are you talking about the attacks that the US and UK performed in response to Iraq's failure to adhere to UN sanctions? I don't know anyone that considers that a war with Iraq.
Sustained bombing/missile attacks from one sovereign state upon another is, most clearly, an act of war. Had the Russians or the Chinese done this to us, we'd most certainly call it 'war' and acted accordingly.

I agree here. Strategically toppling Saddam was a good idea. I never disgreed with the invasion of Iraq and toppling of Saddam. I disagree with how it was planned and executed.
Fair enough.
 
But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.

What was he going to attack us with?

Sticks? :lamo:lamo
 
Of course Congress did. The American people wanted blood and the politicians weren't going to risk losing their seats by opposing the citizens. A huge black mark for our politicians in my eyes.

Another example of politicians chosing personal and partisan power over what they believe to be "the right thing to do".
 
But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.

If Iraq was so damn dangerous why did it take a matter of weeks to take over the entire freaking country?!
 
My point remains the same.

Even if we (the U.S.) had intel the suggested that Saddam was collaborating with Bin Laden or some rogue faction, until it could be proven that was, in fact, a target towhich he was ready to strick, you don't invade another soverign country.

I accept the fact that Iraq's WMD/weapons capabilities were of great concern mostly because we really didn't know with a high degree of certainty what Saddam was doing, but IMO all we really had to do was launch a surgical strike at a few key targets, i.e., weapons factories - suspect or real, and that would have put an end to it. We didn't have to invade Iraq to yield the ultimate goal as aspoused by the commentary of the politicians you quoted, which was to end his WMD capabilities.
 
Sustained bombing/missile attacks from one sovereign state upon another is, most clearly, an act of war. Had the Russians or the Chinese done this to us, we'd most certainly call it 'war' and acted accordingly.

So the did the war end on December 19 when a ceasefire was called and the operation was terminated?
 
My point remains the same.

Even if we (the U.S.) had intel the suggested that Saddam was collaborating with Bin Laden or some rogue faction, until it could be proven that was, in fact, a target towhich he was ready to strick, you don't invade another soverign country.

I accept the fact that Iraq's WMD/weapons capabilities were of great concern mostly because we really didn't know with a high degree of certainty what Saddam was doing, but IMO all we really had to do was launch a surgical strike at a few key targets, i.e., weapons factories - suspect or real, and that would have put an end to it. We didn't have to invade Iraq to yield the ultimate goal as aspoused by the commentary of the politicians you quoted, which was to end his WMD capabilities.
Bush was very clear that we would no longer wait until we were attacked. This is part of the "Bush Doctrine." Everybody seemed to agree with him at the time.
 
Not at all! He could be lying for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he said it.

And what if Saddam did attack us and it came out that Putin had warned us? We would have been demanding Bush's head on a platter for ignoring the warning.

If Saddam was planning terrorist attacks and the Russians showed us evidence it can't just be ignored. We never used this as a reason to go to war. But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.

So our decisions to invade countries are now substantiated by what if scenarios?
 
Bush was very clear that we would no longer wait until we were attacked. This is part of the "Bush Doctrine." Everybody seemed to agree with him at the time.

I did not agree with him.
 
My point remains the same.

Even if we (the U.S.) had intel the suggested that Saddam was collaborating with Bin Laden or some rogue faction, until it could be proven that was, in fact, a target towhich he was ready to strick, you don't invade another soverign country.
Is there such thing as an non-sovereign country?
In a pre-nuclear world, you'd be right -- but the level of destruction that a single nucelar wepon can bring, waiting until he is 'ready to strike' may very well be too late.

I accept the fact that Iraq's WMD/weapons capabilities were of great concern mostly because we really didn't know with a high degree of certainty what Saddam was doing, but IMO all we really had to do was launch a surgical strike at a few key targets, i.e., weapons factories - suspect or real, and that would have put an end to it.
Like we did in December 1998?
You'll note that all the quotes I posted were -after- that....

We didn't have to invade Iraq to yield the ultimate goal as aspoused by the commentary of the politicians you quoted, which was to end his WMD capabilities.
Part of the problem wasnt just the weapons, but the guy in power.
As long as the guy was in power, the threat remained.
 
Bush was very clear that we would no longer wait until we were attacked. This is part of the "Bush Doctrine." Everybody seemed to agree with him at the time.

So Iraq had the military capabilities to attack US soil?
 
What was he going to attack us with?

Sticks? :lamo:lamo

Gee, I don't know ADK Forever. Saddam wouldn't let me come look around and see what was available to him.

I do sorta doubt that Putin sent special agents to Washington to warn Bush that Saddam had sticks.
 
If Iraq was so damn dangerous why did it take a matter of weeks to take over the entire freaking country?!
You do understand that the argument for action against Iraq never swung over Iraq's conventional military capabilities -- right?
 
I'm telling you folks this guy is pathetic..now that investigations are progressing and information is coming out in reguards to the Bush Administrations apparent motivatons for torturing people Cheney comes out and makes this stunning admission..why now?

This is not really new. The administration was not and never has to my knowledge stated "Iraq was involved IN THE 9/11 ATTACK". The closest that has come is people making ASSUMPTIONS thats what they meant and last I checked news reporters, nor Hatuey, are mind readers. Even your own link later on didn't say it. It ACTED like he said it but when they finally had to put foot to flames and quote him:

"We learn more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s," Cheney said, "that it involved training, for example, on [biological and chemical weapons], that Al Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems."

Nope, that isn't Cheney saying that "The Iraqi Government was involved in 9/11". No dice.


Here you're just playing dirty. I mean like, top level political dirty. Like, a rag used to clean a ****ter type. Look at what you bold and what the full sentence is. You're bolding half of it. Read context.

They're not disputing the conclussion, they're disputing the fact that it somehow CONTRADICTS statements they had made linking Iraq to 9/11 because they made no such assertions. Your own link shows you to be full of it on this:

Bush, who has said himself that there is no evidence Iraq was involved in 9/11, sought to explain the distinction Thursday, saying that while the administration never "said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated" with Iraqi help, "we did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda."

So no, Strike One. Nothing in this article proves Cheney or Bush stated that the Iraqi Government were linked to the 9/11 attack.


Your next one, again, does not prove what you're ignorantly trying to claim or at least imply it presumes. Having a "link" prior to the 9/11 attacks DOES NOT PROVE that the administration was stating there was a link directly to the 9/11 attacks. You could say there was a "link" between some dumb ass kid that bought something from a guy who funnels money to Al-Qaeda at some point prior to 9/11, that does not mean you're saying that Kid was directly involved in 9/11

Strike 2.


So, lets see if this passes the grade. Knowing you, and this post, I'm going to guess no.

So a statement that Atta possibly met with an Iraqi Intelligence officer months before the attack, with a clear statement that it has not been able to confirm or discredit it as fact yet, and with nothing stating it had anything to do with the 9/11 attack. So nope, that one doesn't cut it.

The next quote. Well, all it does is state there's reason to believe there was a strong connection perhaps with the 93' world trade center Bombing...but I'm pretty sure that's not 9/11

Strike Three. You're out. But you keep wanting to swing for the fences huh? You're like the anti-Babe Ruth. You call your shot then we all laugh as you whiff.

And finally :

Iraq, 9/11 Still Linked Cheney

Dontch'all love teh powerz of teh Goggglez?

Close, but no Cigar. Again, its not saying that Iraq was involved in 9/11, only that its been a base for Terrorists....terrorists, who in general have had us under assult for many years and most especially in 9/11. That does not mean that Iraq was INVOLVED in 9/11, or even that the 9/11 terrorists specifically were in Iraq, but that the area had been a haven for terrorists, who in general have been giving us trouble for many years. And, even beyond that, you fail to acknowledge the fact the Administration came out days later and clarified the statement...hardly pointing to it being a legitimate administration stance and instead pointing to it being poor wording.

Yes, teh powersz of teth Gogglez is amazing. Would just help if you were being honest or actually attempting to give any thought into it other than banging on it and thinking "these things popped up, they must be true, people can't possibly read them and see I'm just making bull **** claims".


Second Time. Does not state that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack, was clarified days later by the Bush Administration, showing that it wasn't a Bush Administration stance and acknowleding that it was poorly worded by Cheney in getting his intent across, which was that Iraq was a ground used by Terrorists, who for many years have been giving the U.S. trouble most recently 9/11.


Third Time. Does not state that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack, was clarified days later by the Bush Administration, showing that it wasn't a Bush Administration stance and acknowleding that it was poorly worded by Cheney in getting his intent across, which was that Iraq was a ground used by Terrorists, who for many years have been giving the U.S. trouble most recently 9/11.



Fourth Time. Does not state that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack, was clarified days later by the Bush Administration, showing that it wasn't a Bush Administration stance and acknowleding that it was poorly worded by Cheney in getting his intent across, which was that Iraq was a ground used by Terrorists, who for many years have been giving the U.S. trouble most recently 9/11.

Just because you keep stating YOUR OPINION of what he meant, instead of taking actual facts and context into account, and trying to pass it off as fact does not make it so. Just because you keep repeating your lie and misrepresentation doesn't make it truth. So keep on posting your pathetic little "fifth time" and "Sixth time" and I'll gladly keep up with you pointing out that your point is bull****, and that the administration has not taken a stance that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks. If this conversation was about Cheney saying Iraq and Al-Qaeda were connected, that'd be one thing. But that's not what its talking about, its talking about Iraq having a hand in 9/11, and that was not stated.
 
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Not at all! He could be lying for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he said it.

And what if Saddam did attack us and it came out that Putin had warned us? We would have been demanding Bush's head on a platter for ignoring the warning.

If Saddam was planning terrorist attacks and the Russians showed us evidence it can't just be ignored. We never used this as a reason to go to war. But there IS evidence that Saddam was planning attacks because I have given the links several times. Whether the information is true or not does not change the fact that there is evidence.

There's credible evidence and there's unsubstatiated reports the Bush-43 administration called "evidence". Which would you rather be tried on: concrete evidence or circumstacial evidence?

Put another way, which would you rather fight for your life over? The truth or a lie?
 
Yes, the Administration never said a word about ending Saddam's tyranny until well after the invasion. Which is why it was called "Operation Get the WMDs."

It's absolutely astounding how for some of you people, history begins when you first hear about something.
 
Gee, I don't know ADK Forever. Saddam wouldn't let me come look around and see what was available to him.

I do sorta doubt that Putin sent special agents to Washington to warn Bush that Saddam had sticks.

Interesting how this so-called warning only came from Putin. He certainly should be believed at all costs, I suppose. :lol:

You guys will believe anything but, the facts, I guess.

Wake up and smell the deteriorated WMDs. :2wave:
 
Zyphlin,

I get your point. The Bush-43 administration never claimed that the Iraqi gov't were involved in 9/11. I get that. I think we all do, but here's my point once again...it was heavily implied that there was a connection between the terrorist and the Iraqi gov't. In short, the Bush-43 administration played on our fears. Moreover, former VP Cheney is still doing it! He may be playing down the Iraq-9/11 connection, but he's still making the assertion that Saddam possed a real threat to the U.S. THROUGH lose associations with known terrorist.

If those connections had been solid, I'd be defending the War in Iraq every day! But the connection was proven not to exsist atleast not to the extent the American people and the world were led to believe.

So, to me for former VP Cheney to come out with this old/brand new revelation now...well, what's the point except to once again attempt to justify going to war in Iraq where there really wasn't any justification at all? Moverover, his commentary is really about continuing on a line of fear and drumming up support for terrorist detainees. Why else would he even discuss this matter now?
 
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Zyphlin,

I get your point. The Bush-43 administration never claimed that the Iraqi gov't were involved in 9/11. I get that. I think we all do, but here's my point once again...it was heavily implied that there was a connection between the terrorist and the Iraqi gov't.
Implication on their part... or inference on yours?

In short, the Bush-43 administration played on our fears.
Happens all the time. Nothing inherently wrong with it.
 
There's credible evidence and there's unsubstatiated reports the Bush-43 administration called "evidence". Which would you rather be tried on: concrete evidence or circumstacial evidence?

Put another way, which would you rather fight for your life over? The truth or a lie?

No, there is nothing Bush said that he was not told by our CIA. This would be the CIA that completely missed Saddam's weapons programs in the '90s. Bush never lied and never intended to.

At some point with all the bs coming from everywhere you gotta make a decision.
 
Implication on their part... or inference on yours?

C'mon, Goodieman. Certainly, you're not that naive.

The Bush administration clearly implied there was a "terroristic" connection between Saddam's regime and Al-Qauida. It was the only way he could gain favor from the American people, Congress and I dare say the world in order to justify going to war w/Iraq in a post-9/11 world. If 9/11 had never happened, he would NEVER have been able to gain support for what he did.
 
If 9/11 had never happened, he would NEVER have been able to gain support for what he did.

I don't think that's necessarily true, but even if it is . . .

So?

(Besides, this implies that Bush intended to invade Iraq no matter what, simply as a matter of course, and there is NO evidence for that.)
 
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