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Steeley Mike=' No 'slammin and rammin' Sotomayor

This is not her first comment she has made. I suggest you go and do some research on her.

I have and I do not see any pattern of racism nor do I see any instance of racism.

If you are dead set to oppose her you can drag out any comment any ruling any word that she used in the wrong way or in the wrong place or at the wrong time and use that as your cudgel to beat your point to death.

You can also second guess all of her decisions and find the ones thaat you disagree with and call them racist and un-American and unconstitutional and un-Christian and on and on!!!!!
 
I have and I do not see any pattern of racism nor do I see any instance of racism.

If you are dead set to oppose her you can drag out any comment any ruling any word that she used in the wrong way or in the wrong place or at the wrong time and use that as your cudgel to beat your point to death.

You can also second guess all of her decisions and find the ones thaat you disagree with and call them racist and un-American and unconstitutional and un-Christian and on and on!!!!!

Fare enough here you go,

Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, in a written statement, said Tuesday he's concerned Sotomayor has shown "personal bias based on ethnicity and gender."

"Judge Sotomayor will need to reassure the country that she will set aside her biases, uphold the rule of law and interpret the Constitution as written, not as she believes it should have been written," said Smith, who will have no vote in the matter, as the confirmation is a Senate matter.

Sotomayor has a record of being rebuffed by the high court. Of the six decisions she was a part of that came before the high court, five were reversed. In the sixth, the court disagreed with Sotomayor's reasoning.

— In 1999, Sotomayor dissented in a decision to dismiss a case in which a black student claimed his school discriminated against him by transferring him mid-year from first grade to kindergarten. Sotomayor argued that the "lone black child" in the class was not given an "equal chance."

— In 1993, Sotomayor threw out evidence obtained by police in a drug case, because a detective lied to obtain the search warrant — prosecutors agreed to a plea bargain. However, during sentencing Sotomayor made controversial statements by criticizing the five-year mandatory sentence, calling it an "abomination" that the defendant did not deserve.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., later grilled her on this, suggesting it showed disrespect for the law, during her confirmation hearing a decade ago for the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.
 
Are you calling her a liar, then? Her own words reveal her to be a racist, and Ricci versus DeStefano doubly confirms it.

Are you calling her a liar, then? She has written it herself and doubly confirmed it in U.S. versus Sanchez-Villar.

Are you calling her a liar, then? Her own words reveal her to believe she creates policy and Ricci versus DeStefano and U.S. versus Sanchez-Villar doubly confirms it.

As an aside, I suggest you see a shrink about your odd anal fixation. And maybe a proctologist, too, for the foot I just shoved up your ass.

In Ricci vs. Destafano, ( around here we call it the the Firefighters vs the MAYOR OF NEW HAVEN ) is a case that is currently pending before the SUPREMES. In this case Sotmayor agreed wih lower courts. Sotomayor was one of a panel of judges who were sympathetic to the plaintiff's position but concluded that a specific employment law hadn't been violated.

So if she is a racist for ruling with the others on the panel then most if not all of the panel are racist. Do you really think that we have that many racists in our Judicial system ?
 
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Fare enough here you go,

Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, in a written statement, said Tuesday he's concerned Sotomayor has shown "personal bias based on ethnicity and gender."

"Judge Sotomayor will need to reassure the country that she will set aside her biases, uphold the rule of law and interpret the Constitution as written, not as she believes it should have been written," said Smith, who will have no vote in the matter, as the confirmation is a Senate matter.

So what if this Lamar Smith character thinks he is concerned does that mean we all need to "be concerned" !!!

Plus the guy is from Texas!!! Come on now !!LOL Texas you have got to be kidding me that we should listen to someone from Texas !!!
 
Fare enough here you go,



— In 1999, Sotomayor dissented in a decision to dismiss a case in which a black student claimed his school discriminated against him by transferring him mid-year from first grade to kindergarten. Sotomayor argued that the "lone black child" in the class was not given an "equal chance."
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ok so you don't like the ruling she made in the lone Black child case so this makes her a racist ?

BTW Sotomayor is not Black
 
Ok so start implementing your own suggestion !!!

wat

When I read the initial decision she and another 2 judges left intact, it looked to me that the problem is in the applicable laws. To put it another way, the laws need to be changed. One of our lawyers around here(you guys know who you are) could probably give a more accurate and informative look at the ruling...I know I would be interested.

My biggest problem with Ricci is not the decision itself, but the way it was reached. It is very rare to issue a summary order affirming a lower court's decision unless the issues involved are incredibly simple. This is most certainly not such a case, and did not deserve to be treated in such a fashion. The way it was handled reeks of an attempt to slip the case under the radar. The fact that the panel withdrew its summary order and filed a per curiam opinion 3 days before the entire circuit ruled on the request for an en banc hearing is additionally shady.
 
Fare enough here you go,



— In 1993, Sotomayor threw out evidence obtained by police in a drug case, because a detective lied to obtain the search warrant — prosecutors agreed to a plea bargain. However, during sentencing Sotomayor made controversial statements by criticizing the five-year mandatory sentence, calling it an "abomination" that the defendant did not deserve.
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Ok so you don't like a ruling she made or comments that she made in a case 15 years ago !!! So from the little I can see about this case it does not appear that you can make this into a racist arguement so what is your complaint here ?
 
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My biggest problem with Ricci is not the decision itself, but the way it was reached. It is very rare to issue a summary order affirming a lower court's decision unless the issues involved are incredibly simple. This is most certainly not such a case, and did not deserve to be treated in such a fashion. The way it was handled reeks of an attempt to slip the case under the radar. The fact that the panel withdrew its summary order and filed a per curiam opinion 3 days before the entire circuit ruled on the request for an en banc hearing is additionally shady.

So you threw out some legal terms in latin big deal !!! In the end this just amounts to your opinion about her opinion. We would need to see one whole hell of a lot of detail before we can determine if you actually have found something that apparently no one else has - a shady deal being onducted by a group of attorneys !!!! lol
 
So you threw out some legal terms in latin big deal !!!

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In the end this just amounts to your opinion about her opinion.

That's generally how opinons work, yes.

We would need to see one whole hell of a lot of detail before we can determine if you actually have found something that apparently no one else has - a shady deal being onducted by a group of attorneys !!!! lol

Uh...

A panel of this Court affirmed in a summary order containing a single substantive paragraph. Ricci v. DeStefano, No. 06-4996-cv, (2d Cir. Feb. 15, 2008). Three days prior to the filing of this opinion, the panel withdrew its summary order and filed a per curiam opinion adopting in toto the reasoning of the District Court, thereby making the District Court's opinion the law of the Circuit. See Ricci v. DeStefano, F.3d (2d Cir. 2008).

The use of per curiam opinions of this sort, adopting in full the reasoning of a district court without further elaboration, is normally reserved for cases that present straight-forward questions that do not require explanation or elaboration by the Court of Appeals. The questions raised in this appeal cannot be classified as such, as they are indisputably complex and far from well-settled.

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Four months later, and three days prior to the publication of this opinion, the panel withdrew its summary order and published a per curiam opinion that contained the same operative text as the summary order, with the addition of a citation to the District Court's opinion in the Westlaw and LexisNexis databases. This per curiam opinion adopted in loco the reasoning of the District Court, without further elaboration or substantive comment, and thereby converted a lengthy, unpublished district court opinion, grappling with significant constitutional and statutory claims of first impression, into the law of this Circuit. It did so, moreover, in an opinion that lacks a clear statement of either the claims raised by the plaintiffs or the issues on appeal. Indeed, the opinion contains no reference whatsoever to the constitutional claims at the core of this case, and a casual reader of the opinion could be excused for wondering whether a learning disability played at least as much a role in this case as the alleged racial discrimination. This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal.

FindACase™ | Ricci v. DeStefano

That's from Judge Jose Cabranes' dissent from the Second Circuit's denial of en banc review.
 
My biggest problem with Ricci is not the decision itself, but the way it was reached. It is very rare to issue a summary order affirming a lower court's decision unless the issues involved are incredibly simple. This is most certainly not such a case, and did not deserve to be treated in such a fashion. The way it was handled reeks of an attempt to slip the case under the radar. The fact that the panel withdrew its summary order and filed a per curiam opinion 3 days before the entire circuit ruled on the request for an en banc hearing is additionally shady.

Two questions if I could:

1) What did you think of the original decision? And if you got the time, could you explain it briefly? Talloulou and I spent some time on it the other night, but niether of us is a lawyer.

2)Could you expand on the bolded part please. It went right over my head.
 
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My biggest problem with Ricci is not the decision itself, but the way it was reached. It is very rare to issue a summary order affirming a lower court's decision unless the issues involved are incredibly simple. This is most certainly not such a case, and did not deserve to be treated in such a fashion. The way it was handled reeks of an attempt to slip the case under the radar. The fact that the panel withdrew its summary order and filed a per curiam opinion 3 days before the entire circuit ruled on the request for an en banc hearing is additionally shady.

You want to throw out latin terms fine !! My learned opinion is that your actions speak for themselves. There is a legal doctrine for that and it is "res ipsa loquitur " or the thing speaks for itself.

You appear to be acting in a prejudicial manner toward Stomayor. We can presume that you acted prejudicially simply because predujidial posts against Sotomayor exist. The presumption is that the prejudicial opinions are yours and your opinions have casued this prejudice hense your opinion is under your control. The prejudicial posts were as of a result of a careless act of you posting. Sotomayor did not contribute any behavior to cause you to post such prejudicial posts.

Therefore under the doctrine of "res ipsa." your prejudicial posts speak for themselves therfore you have behaved in a prejudicial posting manner toward Sotomayor.

the thing ( your prejudice ) speaks for itself
 
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Two questions if I could:

1) What did you think of the original decision? And if you got the time, could you explain it briefly? Talloulou and I spent some time on it the other night, but niether of us is a lawyer.

2)Could you expand on the bolded part please. It went right over my head.

he is trying to WOW !!!! us !!! and showing off !!!
 
he is trying to WOW !!!! us !!! and showing off !!!

Actually he is a really bright guy who knows legal stuff really well. Just because my politics are different from him does not mean I cannot learn from him.
 
Actually he is a really bright guy who knows legal stuff really well. Just because my politics are different from him does not mean I cannot learn from him.

I have no doubt that he he is bright and /or resourcefull but usually people do not throw jaron that is not commonly know jargon into an discussion without explantion. By all means learn whatever you can from whomever.

There are pleaty of "legal" sites avaialable and some are free that anyone can tap into. When I was in the claim department of an insurance company a millions years ago we did use WestLaw as an online refernce but not to practice law just to be able to learn enough legal terms so that we could ask the legal department in an informed manner if we had a case that was questionable.
 
Two questions if I could:

1) What did you think of the original decision? And if you got the time, could you explain it briefly? Talloulou and I spent some time on it the other night, but niether of us is a lawyer.

I think the court got it wrong on several grounds, primarily because I don't think that Title VII gives governments carte blanche to violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Here's the best summary of the arguments on appeal:

Argument Preview: Ricci v. DeStefano | SCOTUSblog

Basically, the Fire Department tested candidates in order to determine promotions. Based on scores along, all of the open positions would have gone to whites and hispanics. The Fire Department got nervous about this, as they were worried about getting sued, so they decided not to certify the results of the test. They got sued anyways.


2)Could you expand on the bolded part please. It went right over my head.

The district court wrote a lengthy opinion that staked out new positions on complex issues. A court of appeals 3-judge panel affirmed with a "summary order," which is basically a way of saying "this is so simple and obvious that it's not worth spending a lot of time talking about." The firefighters asked the entire 2nd Circuit (13 judges) to review the case. Three days before that decision was handed down, the 3-judge panel withdrew their summary order and wrote a short opinion that actually touched on the merits of the case and said that the district court did a great job. In doing so, they made the district court's decision much more important. The circuit decided against reviewing the case as a whole by a vote of 7-6.
 
he is trying to WOW !!!! us !!! and showing off !!!

I have no doubt that he he is bright and /or resourcefull but usually people do not throw jaron that is not commonly know jargon into an discussion without explantion. By all means learn whatever you can from whomever.

There are pleaty of "legal" sites avaialable and some are free that anyone can tap into. When I was in the claim department of an insurance company a millions years ago we did use WestLaw as an online refernce but not to practice law just to be able to learn enough legal terms so that we could ask the legal department in an informed manner if we had a case that was questionable.

The reason I used "legal jargon" like en banc or per curiam is because that's what they're called. I assumed that people either knew what they meant or could look them up quite easily, as you point out.

If someone doesn't know what those terms mean and is too lazy to look them up, that's a pretty good hint that they shouldn't be talking about topics like this in the first place.


You want to throw out latin terms fine !! My learned opinion is that your actions speak for themselves. There is a legal doctrine for that and it is "res ipsa loquitur " or the thing speaks for itself.

You appear to be acting in a prejudicial manner toward Stomayor. We can presume that you acted prejudicially simply because predujidial posts against Sotomayor exist. The presumption is that the prejudicial opinions are yours and your opinions have casued this prejudice hense your opinion is under your control. The prejudicial posts were as of a result of a careless act of you posting. Sotomayor did not contribute any behavior to cause you to post such prejudicial posts.

Therefore under the doctrine of "res ipsa." your prejudicial posts speak for themselves therfore you have behaved in a prejudicial posting manner toward Sotomayor.

the thing ( your prejudice ) speaks for itself


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read, bar none.:rofl
 
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I think the court got it wrong on several grounds, primarily because I don't think that Title VII gives governments carte blanche to violate the Equal Protection Clause.

Here's the best summary of the arguments on appeal:

Argument Preview: Ricci v. DeStefano | SCOTUSblog

Basically, the Fire Department tested candidates in order to determine promotions. Based on scores along, all of the open positions would have gone to whites and hispanics. The Fire Department got nervous about this, as they were worried about getting sued, so they decided not to certify the results of the test. They got sued anyways.




The district court wrote a lengthy opinion that staked out new positions on complex issues. A court of appeals 3-judge panel affirmed with a "summary order," which is basically a way of saying "this is so simple and obvious that it's not worth spending a lot of time talking about." The firefighters asked the entire 2nd Circuit (13 judges) to review the case. Three days before that decision was handed down, the 3-judge panel withdrew their summary order and wrote a short opinion that actually touched on the merits of the case and said that the district court did a great job. In doing so, they made the district court's decision much more important. The circuit decided against reviewing the case as a whole by a vote of 7-6.

Thank you sir.

Edited to add: excellent link, thanks a ton for it. Will try and work my way through it tomorrow...it's slow going to me as a nonlawyer.
 
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Limbaugh is such a ****ing douche bag.

I commend Steele for cautioning everyone to show some class and intelligently discuss her qualifications. Good for him. The right doesn't need to sink to Limbaugh's level to argue against her nomination.
Yeah, you really seem like the kind of guy who would be a real admirer of Steele. Stop acting like a phoney.
 
Setting aside whether we believe Sotomayor made a bad decision or not in the Firefighter case this is a case where the City ( Firedepartment thereof) didn't get the results that it wanted from the test therefore they tried to make beleive that the testing never happened by ignoring the results.

The judges had to deside whether any law was broken by the City. In order for there to have been a law broken there would have to have been a viable law in place.

So as I see it the higher courts need to decide was there a law broken, was there a law in place, does that law apply to the case.
 
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Mickey Mike Steele says there ain't gonna be No 'slammin and rammin' Sotomayor as Mikey Mike disagrees with The Drug Addict.

Must be a new day at the GOPPER'S house of cards since Mickey Steele appears to have found, bought, or stolen a pairs of balls from Wall MART or he had a quickie transplant of a set of twins since Mickey Mike is 180 degrees opposite of the Drug Addict on this one. The drug addict said ""way get promoted in the Barack Obama administration" is "by hating white people."

Now you guys who have implants from the RNC control center was Mickey Mike talking about the sex acy when he said "be No 'slammin and rammin' Sotomayor. " ? Just asking !!!!

Michael Steele grew balls? It seems more to me like he's the one without them as he refuses to go after this sexist and racist with no place on the SCOTUS.
 
There is no evidence in terms of her long track record, only emotional "trash" and name calling to support your contention in order to accuse her of:

-racism

We have her own words to prove her sexism, racism, and admitted subjective judicial style.
 
We have her own words to prove her sexism, racism, and admitted subjective judicial style.

I would prefer to base an opinion on more than one incident of bad word choice before I would send her to death row.
 
Michael Steele grew balls? It seems more to me like he's the one without them as he refuses to go after this sexist and racist with no place on the SCOTUS.

What you say ??
"this sexist and racist with no place on the SCOTUS. " but there is a place on the SCOTUS for her and my guess is that she will be singing with the SUPREMES by fall !!!

You know why ? The GOOPPER ectremists are going about this the wrong way. You are trying to show racism where none exists.

Also she is a "White" Peurto Rican so your accusation of racissm is harder to prove.
 
What you say ??
"this sexist and racist with no place on the SCOTUS. " but there is a place on the SCOTUS for her and my guess is that she will be singing with the SUPREMES by fall !!!

You know why ? The GOOPPER ectremists are going about this the wrong way. You are trying to show racism where none exists.

Also she is a "White" Peurto Rican so your accusation of racissm is harder to prove.

She has asserted that Latino Women are more capable of making certain judgements than white males, that is a sexist and racist comment and a kind of thinking with no place on the bench. Do you people even have a clue as to what objectivity and impartiality mean?
 
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