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Cop Pulls Over Ambulance Carrying Patient To Hospital For “Failure To Yield”

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Jerry said:
I'm going to side with the cops on this one.

IMO the cops were in the wrong for issuing the ticket because they did not use a siren and were in the ambulance's blind spot.
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I agree.
However, I know of no statute which gives EMTs the authority to ignore a police officer and attempt to leave.
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The EMT certainly didn't act responsibly when he did this.

The correct coarse of action would be to show up in court and fight the ticket.
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I agree.
I don't think the troopers acted unprofessionally in this situation. They're cops on the street fighting an irate, very muscular man. You can't expect it to look like a boardroom setting.
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They absolutely acted unprofessionally. The stop itself was a complete abandonment of common sense. The entire incident was escalated by the officers extremely poor attitude. It was exacerbated by the EMT obviously, but this thing started because the trooper didn't use common sense or good judgment.

You don't pull up five feet behind tractor-trailer rig with your lights on and expect him to see you. Nor do you run to a hot call in traffic with just lights and expect traffic to just pull over for you. I've learned that through the years. You bust traffic with your lights and your siren.
 
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akyron said:
EMT In Confrontation With Trooper Speaks Out



Both emts have reports there.



Martin was having a seriously bad day and was hell bent to pass it around by the video and report. I would like to hear his side of the story.
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You can tell by the video the EMT's were not being hostile at all. Martin, like you said, was not on his best.
 
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Jerry said:
However, I know of no statute which gives EMTs the authority to ignore a police officer and attempt to leave.
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Let's say this person was having a heart attack or a stroke or some other potentially fatal condition... Those minutes of the cop writing out a ticket could turn fatal.

The EMT told the cops to meet him at the hospital to sort things out, as it should have been...

Cops do have a tough job, that is all the more reason to DEMAND a level of professionalism from those that are charged to protect and serve. To be honest, I'd feel safer knowing that cops like that cannot keep their jobs very long.
 
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Lerxst said:
I agree.

The EMT certainly didn't act responsibly when he did this.


I agree.

They absolutely acted unprofessionally. The stop itself was a complete abandonment of common sense. The entire incident was escalated by the officers extremely poor attitude. It was exacerbated by the EMT obviously, but this thing started because the trooper didn't use common sense or good judgment.

You don't pull up five feet behind tractor-trailer rig with your lights on and expect him to see you. Nor do you run to a hot call in traffic with just lights and expect traffic to just pull over for you. I've learned that through the years. You bust traffic with your lights and your siren.
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Well I defer to your experience then. IMO even though the EMTs may have earned an obstruction citation, I doubt the issue will be pressed if the officer's conduct would place the department in a, shall we say, less than favorable light.
 
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Agnapostate said:
Here's an excerpt from the EMT's statement.
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Yea, cause most cops are really likely to tell someone "Hey, just so you know, I got so angry back there that I decided I was going to pull out my weapon and kill you for no reason. I'm not angry anymore, I'm just telling you that so you can go get me fired. Have a good one."

I'm believing this story less and less as it goes on.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Let's say this person was having a heart attack or a stroke or some other potentially fatal condition...
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It's precisely because non of those things were actually happening which makes the EMT's actions wrong.
 
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RightinNYC said:
Yea, cause most cops are really likely to tell someone "Hey, just so you know, I got so angry back there that I decided I was going to pull out my weapon and kill you for no reason. I'm not angry anymore, I'm just telling you that so you can go get me fired. Have a good one."

I'm believing this story less and less as it goes on.
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Well, maybe if he'd said that to the EMT himself, that would have made a bit more sense. ;) :2wave:
 
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RightinNYC said:
Yea, cause most cops are really likely to tell someone "Hey, just so you know, I got so angry back there that I decided I was going to pull out my weapon and kill you for no reason. I'm not angry anymore, I'm just telling you that so you can go get me fired. Have a good one."

I'm believing this story less and less as it goes on.
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Obviously the guy was paraphrasing, you're over exaggerating the what this guy said. The EMT did resist arrest, and I've told people in the past that I've had to fight with that that was a good way to get killed. And it is. When you fight a cop there is always a gun involved. It's plausible the cop told the EMT's partner "hey he's lucky, I could have shot him for resisting arrest." If you know anything about the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, you'd not be surprised at all by this. In Oklahoma they still shoot at you for fleeing from a traffic stop, I know, I had shotgun pellets hit my windshield at the state line about six years ago. They're attitude about lethal force is very cavalier. It's the wild west in that state and that's not a joke.
 
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Jerry said:
That's why I never link to PDFs ;)
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It has nothing to do with being a pdf. The issue is it is an image embedded in the document. I could do the same page with a basic html page, word doc, etc, etc.
 
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Jerry said:
Well I defer to your experience then. IMO even though the EMTs may have earned an obstruction citation, I doubt the issue will be pressed if the officer's conduct would place the department in a, shall we say, less than favorable light.
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It is entirely possible Officer Martin committed a felony in obstructing an EMT during the discharge of his duties as well.


"Hamper the lawful operations of any law enforcement officer, firefighter, rescuer, medical person, emergency medical services person, or other authorized person, engaged in the person's duties at the scene of a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind;
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ARealConservative said:
It has nothing to do with being a pdf. The issue is it is an image embedded in the document. I could do the same page with a basic html page, word doc, etc, etc.
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Sweet, I learned something.
 
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akyron said:
It is entirely possible Officer Martin committed a felony in obstructing an EMT during the discharge of his duties as well.


"Hamper the lawful operations of any law enforcement officer, firefighter, rescuer, medical person, emergency medical services person, or other authorized person, engaged in the person's duties at the scene of a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind;
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You know that's a good point, but I doubt it would stick. The good faith argument will arise in that the trooper was executing his own duty in addressing what he is claiming was a violation of the law. Further, I hate to say this because of the way this trooper acted, if you are told you are under arrest...you are under arrest. At that point the officer did have probable cause to arrest (even if his charge was petty and it would never stick in court) and the EMT did resist.

He really is lucky he's not in jail. Thank god the D.A. smelled this one and advised not to arrest.
 
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Bullies do not make good cops. Ever.
 
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Lerxst said:
You know that's a good point, but I doubt it would stick. The good faith argument will arise in that the trooper was executing his own duty in addressing what he is claiming was a violation of the law. Further, I hate to say this because of the way this trooper acted, if you are told you are under arrest...you are under arrest. At that point the officer did have probable cause to arrest (even if his charge was petty and it would never stick in court) and the EMT did resist.

He really is lucky he's not in jail. Thank god the D.A. smelled this one and advised not to arrest.
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I am not getting the failure to yield. He did get out of his way. Is slipping someone "the bird" even if it did happen against the law?
 
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ARealConservative said:
It has nothing to do with being a pdf. The issue is it is an image embedded in the document. I could do the same page with a basic html page, word doc, etc, etc.
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Wow, I have no idea what that means :2wave:
 
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akyron said:
I am not getting the failure to yield. He did get out of his way. Is slipping someone "the bird" even if it did happen against the law?
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I know, I don't see the failure to yield case at all, but the trooper is the one making that claim. I'd like to see his dash cam if he's got one. I'd also like to hear the radio traffic.

And flipping the bird, I don't think so in Oklahoma. I know it's not in Missouri. Maybe it could be peace disturbance? It's weak sauce. People flipped me off when I was working and I'd pull them over and they'd say "hey it's not against the law." And I'd say "I know, but it appeared you were trying to get my attention, now you have it. And since we are talking, I'd like to see your identification so I know who I'm dealing with."
 
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Lerxst said:
People flipped me off when I was working and I'd pull them over and they'd say "hey it's not against the law." And I'd say "I know, but it appeared you were trying to get my attention, now you have it. And since we are talking, I'd like to see your identification so I know who I'm dealing with."
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Heh....perfect response. It's just plain stupid to go out of one's way to make trouble with an officer :doh
 
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I think the dude who wrote that report, and his partner for that matter, are completely full of it. There are so many logical inconsistencies to their story it is astounding anyone with an IQ over that of a wet noodle would believe any of it.

It looks like some negligent EMTs tried to pull rank with some cops.
 
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I read the EMT's statement, and my view is that the patient in the ambulance was at the heart of this matter and is the one person overlooked in this entire story.

If a person is in an ambulance then they are by default in need of emergency care, and that trumps any state trooper wanting to issue a ticket. Based on the statement, it sounds like the police officer had an anger management problem when he was confronted by the fact that State laws regarding EMTs overrode his authority to detain them then and there. He tried to exercise more control, and failed.

You let the EMTs take the person to the hospital and then you take legal action. Not to mention, the entire family was nearby, wondering why their mother was being obstructured from going to the hospital?

Sounds to me like a power hungry cop let his emotions get in the way of seeing a rational way out of the situation. No surprise there. I hope the EMT wins his case.
 
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Orius said:
I read the EMT's statement, and my view is that the patient in the ambulance was at the heart of this matter and is the one person overlooked in this entire story. If a person is in an ambulance then they are by default in need of emergency care, and that trumps any state trooper wanting to issue a ticket.
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No. They aren't. You watch too much TV. I've been on an ambulace personally 3 times in my life. and none of them were emergency situations.

Orius said:
Based on the statement, it sounds like the police officer had an anger management problem when he was confronted by the fact that State laws regarding EMTs overrode his authority to detain them then and there. He tried to exercise more control, and failed.
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--The EMTs were negligent in not having their lights and siren on if they truly had an emergency situation.
--The driver was negligent for not seeing the cop.
--The black dude was negligent in escalating the situation(in several ways) instead of diffusing it.

This is confirmed by direct video evidence and/or the statement of the EMT himself.

The police officer was performing his duties, however rude, callous or obnoxious you believe them to be. The EMT was a moron to claim some sort of protection, as they had already violated several laws, meaning they were not lawfully carrying out their duties. If the EMTs truly did have an emergency situations, they were grossly negligent and should be held perhaps professionally and criminally liable.
 
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vendur said:
No. They aren't. You watch too much TV. I've been on an ambulace personally 3 times in my life. and none of them were emergency situations.



--The EMTs were negligent in not having their lights and siren on if they truly had an emergency situation.
--The driver was negligent for not seeing the cop.
--The black dude was negligent in escalating the situation(in several ways) instead of diffusing it.

This is confirmed by direct video evidence and/or the statement of the EMT himself.

The police officer was performing his duties, however rude, callous or obnoxious you believe them to be. The EMT was a moron to claim some sort of protection, as they had already violated several laws, meaning they were not lawfully carrying out their duties. If the EMTs truly did have an emergency situations, they were grossly negligent and should be held perhaps professionally and criminally liable.
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Please allow me to assign you your very first "THANKS" for a perfect arguement in DP.
I give The average paramedic or (yes even) EMT a 99.9% rateing. Not for perfection, because not one of them is perfect, but for effort. In the case before us, we have the .1% EMT. ;)
 
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Jerry said:
Wow, I have no idea what that means :2wave:
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It's pretty simply to explain.

That particular pdf looks like plain text to a human, but it is actually a picture (an image), so a computer can't decipher the text without using some sort of character recognition software. This use of images is not restricted to PDF's and could be done by any page you link to.
 
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ARealConservative said:
It's pretty simply to explain.

That particular pdf looks like plain text to a human, but it is actually a picture (an image), so a computer can't decipher the text without using some sort of character recognition software. This use of images is not restricted to PDF's and could be done by any page you link to.
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When I click the link, the comp asks me to either select a program to open it with (and I know this comp doesn't have it), or to go online to find the program.

The second option...well that has yet to work in my entire life...at least without a credit card number ;)

I'm not paying for Adobey, or players, or plug-ins, or anything like that.
 
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Lerxst said:
Obviously the guy was paraphrasing, you're over exaggerating the what this guy said. The EMT did resist arrest, and I've told people in the past that I've had to fight with that that was a good way to get killed. And it is. When you fight a cop there is always a gun involved. It's plausible the cop told the EMT's partner "hey he's lucky, I could have shot him for resisting arrest." If you know anything about the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, you'd not be surprised at all by this. In Oklahoma they still shoot at you for fleeing from a traffic stop, I know, I had shotgun pellets hit my windshield at the state line about six years ago. They're attitude about lethal force is very cavalier. It's the wild west in that state and that's not a joke.
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Totally true. You don't dare even seem to be talking back to these guys. That's why the EMT guy really IS lucky. In OKC, they shut off the cameras in the elevator (the jail is upstairs) when they were taking my husband to jail, and were beating the crap out of him just because he "looked funny" at one of them. The only thing that stopped them was he told them "Hey, no need to do this, my wife will take care of this part when I get home." They both started laughing and quit beating him.

His best friend, was shot in the back with a shotgun by the OHP. He was drunk, pulled off the road into a rest stop to sleep, and they woke him up. One cop pulled him out of the car, the other had the shotgun pointed at him. Gene was a big ole guy and the arresting cop couldn't quite get his hands together for the cuffs, the guy with the shotgun hit him in the back of the knees. When Gene (naturally) brought his hands forward to break his fall, the cop shot him in the back.

Yeah, OK is one state they'll shoot you just for looking at them wrong.
 
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