I got some photos for ya.
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Perhaps Hannity should volunteer for this so he can prove it's not torture.
From back in your porn star days? :rofl
(please, please... oh, please!)
I nominate Satyros for the positionI'd volunteer to be the sticker-upper, LOL. :2razz:
What we need as a country isn't really the release of the pictures, but the very determined prosecution of all who are responsible for the abuse all the way up the chain of command.
The two at this link are real. They are not new, though, but show crimes of a sexual nature. Please, don't click if don't have the stomach for it.
at-Largely: Photos Obama won't release include images of rape...(warning, graphic)
The Obama administration is strongly denying a British newspaper report that says images of apparent rape and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners are among photographs that the U.S. government is trying to prevent from being made public.
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U.S. Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman Thursday said the Telegraph showed "an inability to get the facts right" and completely mischaracterized the images described in the article. Whitman said none of the photos in question depicts the images described in the newspaper article.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs also dismissed the British newspaper report.
I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.
The two at this link are real. They are not new, though, but show crimes of a sexual nature. Please, don't click if don't have the stomach for it.
at-Largely: Photos Obama won't release include images of rape...(warning, graphic)
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A July 2004 report by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID) concluded that the horrors depicted in these photos did not involve criminal acts by guards. This includes incidents in which the detainee sodomized himself with a banana, covered himself with his own feces, and banged his head repeatedly against a steel door until his head was bloody. At several points, military police claimed they put this detainee in restraints allegedly to "prevent the detainee from sodomizing himself and assaulting himself and others with his bodily fluids," found a report by Maj. Gen. George R. Fay.
Nonetheless, Army investigators say these photographs show clear evidence of abuse. "A detainee with a known mental condition should not have been provided the banana or photographed," the Fay report concluded. Military investigators did not further address the legal or moral consequences of U.S. soldiers' allowing a debilitated prisoner in their custody to cause himself serious physical harm.
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Abu Ghraib Files - Salon.com News
How are either of those even remotely evidence of "crimes of a sexual nature"
First, we have no idea that they're real. As this thread has pointed out, there are plenty of fake ones out there that get played off as real. Second, we have no evidence of when/where they were taken. Third, there's no indication of who any of the people in the pictures are. Fourth, there's no context for what's happening.
I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.
Finally, as to the original topic of this thread:
VOA News - US Rejects Newspaper Report on Iraq Prison Photos
I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.
One thing is clear, Right. Abuses by American guards happened at Abu Ghraib. There's no denying that. As far as it went, I don't know. According to the source, the photos are real, and there's testimony from a number of sources that crimes of a sexual nature had occurred.
We must see these forbidden pictures for the same reason German civilians were forced to walk the liberated concentration camps and see first hand the horrors their government committed. How else
will our country purge itself of these atrocities and move on?
In the link to the two photos I found this comment which, though hard to accept, is accurate:
The problem here is that there are no longer standards that have to be met to get into the military. People now get in with felony records, drug use, and mental problems. This should not be. We need to go back to setting entrance standards for the military that are stricter. Meanwhile, the soldier who raped that kid should be court marshaled and sent before a firing squad.
Do you have any proof to support these assertions; or is this just more of your hyperbolic blather?
That's one of my primary entertainments these days, as someone who has an admittedly dark sense of humor...watching the shills for the far right put massive :spin: on the horrific and unthinkable.
They clearly have no shame.
You think they are funny, you should watch the shills for the far left put their massive :spin: on the unthinkable continuing collapse of this economy and failure of Obama's foreign policy intiatives (North Korea and Iran come to mind).
Right on. If there was any justice in this world, Bush and Cheney would be rotting in a cell.
Hey! Hyperbolic is MY word of the day, dammit.
I guess you can have blather, though.
Stop trolling and baiting me damnit! :mrgreen:
So much for that open minded tolerance eh?
:roll:
How many americans were forced to walk through the ruins of Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
How many americans were forced to walk through the ruins of Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
We didn't lose that war, so no Americans witnessed the destruction. If they had, perhaps we would not have embarked on the immense buildup of nuclear weapons which led to proliferation by so many others.