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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

Perhaps Hannity should volunteer for this so he can prove it's not torture.
 
What we need as a country isn't really the release of the pictures, but the very determined prosecution of all who are responsible for the abuse all the way up the chain of command.

Right on. If there was any justice in this world, Bush and Cheney would be rotting in a cell.
 
The two at this link are real. They are not new, though, but show crimes of a sexual nature. Please, don't click if don't have the stomach for it.

at-Largely: Photos Obama won't release include images of rape...(warning, graphic)

How are either of those even remotely evidence of "crimes of a sexual nature"

First, we have no idea that they're real. As this thread has pointed out, there are plenty of fake ones out there that get played off as real. Second, we have no evidence of when/where they were taken. Third, there's no indication of who any of the people in the pictures are. Fourth, there's no context for what's happening.

I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.

Finally, as to the original topic of this thread:

VOA News - US Rejects Newspaper Report on Iraq Prison Photos

The Obama administration is strongly denying a British newspaper report that says images of apparent rape and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners are among photographs that the U.S. government is trying to prevent from being made public.

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U.S. Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman Thursday said the Telegraph showed "an inability to get the facts right" and completely mischaracterized the images described in the article. Whitman said none of the photos in question depicts the images described in the newspaper article.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs also dismissed the British newspaper report.
 
I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.

Agreed,

They should put up or shut up. Allegations are worthless without some solid foundation. If something gets proven then prosecute. Until then I wont hold my breath waiting for "evidence". If it happens prosecute. this pointless hang wringing helps no one.
 
The two at this link are real. They are not new, though, but show crimes of a sexual nature. Please, don't click if don't have the stomach for it.

at-Largely: Photos Obama won't release include images of rape...(warning, graphic)

Crimes of a sexual nature?
Maybe the first one did but hardly the second one.

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A July 2004 report by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID) concluded that the horrors depicted in these photos did not involve criminal acts by guards. This includes incidents in which the detainee sodomized himself with a banana, covered himself with his own feces, and banged his head repeatedly against a steel door until his head was bloody. At several points, military police claimed they put this detainee in restraints allegedly to "prevent the detainee from sodomizing himself and assaulting himself and others with his bodily fluids," found a report by Maj. Gen. George R. Fay.

Nonetheless, Army investigators say these photographs show clear evidence of abuse. "A detainee with a known mental condition should not have been provided the banana or photographed," the Fay report concluded. Military investigators did not further address the legal or moral consequences of U.S. soldiers' allowing a debilitated prisoner in their custody to cause himself serious physical harm.

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Abu Ghraib Files - Salon.com News

As for not photographing it, and preventing it?
I don't know.
I think it was best to photograph it for official purposes to show the guards were not involved.

Preventing it?
A banana?
Who would have thought?
I surely wouldn't have immediately tried to stop him unless I knew what his intentions were. For all I would have guessed was that he was trying to reach an itch, until he started... you know. ???


But then again it needed to be photographed to show that he did it himself so blame couldn't be placed on anybody else.
This particular individual should have been video taped 24/7 as far as I am concerned.
 
How are either of those even remotely evidence of "crimes of a sexual nature"

First, we have no idea that they're real. As this thread has pointed out, there are plenty of fake ones out there that get played off as real. Second, we have no evidence of when/where they were taken. Third, there's no indication of who any of the people in the pictures are. Fourth, there's no context for what's happening.

I'm simply loath to believe the most extreme claims without any evidence.

Finally, as to the original topic of this thread:

VOA News - US Rejects Newspaper Report on Iraq Prison Photos

One thing is clear, Right. Abuses by American guards happened at Abu Ghraib. There's no denying that. As far as it went, I don't know. According to the source, the photos are real, and there's testimony from a number of sources that crimes of a sexual nature had occurred.
 
One thing is clear, Right. Abuses by American guards happened at Abu Ghraib. There's no denying that. As far as it went, I don't know. According to the source, the photos are real, and there's testimony from a number of sources that crimes of a sexual nature had occurred.




What is this source again?
 
In the link to the two photos I found this comment which, though hard to accept, is accurate:

We must see these forbidden pictures for the same reason German civilians were forced to walk the liberated concentration camps and see first hand the horrors their government committed. How else
will our country purge itself of these atrocities and move on?
 
In the link to the two photos I found this comment which, though hard to accept, is accurate:

How many americans were forced to walk through the ruins of Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
 
The problem here is that there are no longer standards that have to be met to get into the military. People now get in with felony records, drug use, and mental problems. This should not be. We need to go back to setting entrance standards for the military that are stricter. Meanwhile, the soldier who raped that kid should be court marshaled and sent before a firing squad.

Do you have any proof to support these assertions; or is this just more of your hyperbolic blather?
 
That's one of my primary entertainments these days, as someone who has an admittedly dark sense of humor...watching the shills for the far right put massive :spin: on the horrific and unthinkable.

They clearly have no shame.

You think they are funny, you should watch the shills for the far left put their massive :spin: on the unthinkable continuing collapse of this economy and failure of Obama's foreign policy intiatives (North Korea and Iran come to mind).
 
You think they are funny, you should watch the shills for the far left put their massive :spin: on the unthinkable continuing collapse of this economy and failure of Obama's foreign policy intiatives (North Korea and Iran come to mind).

I'm withholding judgement on all of the above. I'm no chicken little.

Though, I'm quite happy that boyfriend is TDY in Hawaii right now, instead of Korea.

But, I will admit to some amusement over the far left on MANY issues.
 
Right on. If there was any justice in this world, Bush and Cheney would be rotting in a cell.

Fortunately for all of us, even the rabid left Liberals in power know one needs evidence to do this; but I find such police state comments from Liberals very enlightening. So much for that open minded tolerance eh?

:roll:
 
How many americans were forced to walk through the ruins of Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

We didn't lose that war, so no Americans witnessed the destruction. If they had, perhaps we would not have embarked on the immense buildup of nuclear weapons which led to proliferation by so many others.
 
How many americans were forced to walk through the ruins of Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

How many Japanese were forced to walk through the ruins of Manchuria, China, the Philippines or the many other nations who were conquered and devastated by Japanese invaders?

I am always amused at the farcical rhetoric about allied bombing of Dresden or dropping atomic bombs on nations that started a WORLD WAR and subjected the defeated to unspeakable atrocities. Do you really think this is a remotely credible argument?

I feel this is more evidence of the failure of modern education systems and the media.

:roll:
 
We didn't lose that war, so no Americans witnessed the destruction. If they had, perhaps we would not have embarked on the immense buildup of nuclear weapons which led to proliferation by so many others.

This version of history would have required us to ignore the immense build-up of arms by Communist Russia and China however; and fortunately, many of our leaders have to live in the REAL world.

:cool:
 
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