• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Toledo police layoffs leading to gun buying

As for the rest. . .

Catz Part Deux said:
I bet you've never experienced 700 gang members in an area of that size, policed by 3 to 4 officers (on a good day).

I'll tell ya what. You go stand on the corner of Euclid and 130th street at 8 p.m. tonight, and let me know who you think is in charge.

It damn sure ain't the cops.

Let's put your money where your mouth is, and back up the talk. People should be taking care of themselves and eliminating the police state. There's a place where it's actually happened.

I'd like you to spend some time there and keep us apprised of your findings.
Click to expand...

the thread is not about me.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Here you go dear. Sorry you seem to have such difficulty maneuvering in the forum. :wink:
Click to expand...

And do you think that that resembles the strawman that you built ?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
YOu don't really understand the concept of a strawman, either, do you?
Click to expand...

Your attempt to bait me is duly noted.

You were simply wrong about ad hominem and anyone that wants to can go read the evidence. My own personal opinion of the matter is that my understanding of the concept of strawman is at least as superior to yours as my understanding of the concept of ad hominem is.

Your inability to show that what I said is anything like the paragraph you made up will serve as proof that I know exactly what a strawman argument is since I have called you on yours.

Why don't you embarass yourself with an appeal to false authority next, and make it three for three. Oh wait, you already did that with gree0232 in the other thread :)
 
Voidwar said:
Your attempt to bait me is duly noted.

You were simply wrong about ad hominem and anyone that wants to can go read the evidence. My own personal opinion of the matter is that my understanding of the concept of strawman is at least as superior to yours as my understanding of the concept of ad hominem is.

Your inability to show that what I said is anything like the paragraph you made up will serve as proof that I know exactly what a strawman argument is since I have called you on yours.

Why don't you embarass yourself with an appeal to false authority next, and make it three for three. Oh wait, you already did that with gree0232 in the other thread :)
Click to expand...

I think that the users on this forum will be sharp enough to both see through your misuse of latin terms and your inability to hold your own in debate of the subject.

I'll leave in their capable hands. :wink:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I think that the users on this forum will be sharp enough to both see through your misuse of latin terms
Click to expand...

I took 2 years high school and two years collegiate, so why dont you point out my misuse of Latin or admit that you are just engaging in more of your baiting / exhibiting your ignorance. :wink:
 
Voidwar said:
Quote me asserting that then. If I claimed it, quote me claiming it.
Click to expand...

Catz Part Deux said:
Your claim is that criminals are not controlling some sections of Ohio.
Click to expand...

Voidwar said:
I have yet to see an example of this failure. Are parts of Ohio now controlled by bandit warlords ?
Click to expand...

I think you did say it even if you were being sarcastic.

Bandit Warlords = Organized Gangs. This is my opinion only and not based on anything but anecdotal evidence. It does fit though.

Most of the gang members are probably smarter, armed better and have more money then most warlords in Somalia etc.
 
Last edited:
Blackdog said:
I think you did say it even if you were being sarcastic.
Click to expand...

I made one assertion, that I had not yet seen evidence of an alleged "failure".

I then posed a question, which is decidedly not making a claim.

When you get down to debate nitpickers, the fine print means everything.

The reason she cannot provide a quote of me making that claim, is that what I posted, does not in fact make that claim. Q.E.D.
 
Voidwar said:
The reason she cannot provide a quote of me making that claim, is that what I posted, does not in fact make that claim. Q.E.D.
Click to expand...

Actually, she got bored with your weenie little arguments. I did 2 years of high school debate and spent 4 years on a debate scholarship in college. I routinely kicked the ass of weenies.

Debates AREN'T won or lost on shouting out misused latin phrases. They're won or lost on coherent arguments and supporting evidence. That's why research is such an integral part of winning a round of debate.

I have yet to see you present anything resembling a coherent argument in this thread, not to mention supporting evidence.
 
Last edited:
Voidwar said:
I made one assertion, that I had not yet seen evidence of an alleged "failure".

I then posed a question, which is decidedly not making a claim.

When you get down to debate nitpickers, the fine print means everything.

The reason she cannot provide a quote of me making that claim, is that what I posted, does not in fact make that claim. Q.E.D.
Click to expand...

Nice dodge. :roll:
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Sure hope these people get the proper training before they buy a gun. There's nothing worse than an untrained idiot with a gun.
Click to expand...

you prefer trained idiots?...:2razz:
 
Last edited:
Catz Part Deux said:
What are your views on the question asked by Void about criminals controlling some areas?
Click to expand...
From PERSONAL experience, I cannot say. I live in a small city out in th emiddle of nowhere, and we dont have issues like that.

HOWever... gang activity in the larger cities is a regular news item, and there are certainly many areas in all of those large cities that are 'controlled' by gangs.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
There's nothing worse than an untrained idiot with a gun.
Click to expand...
Utah Bill said:
you prefer trained idiots?...
Click to expand...
LOL...this exchange reminded me of a local TV news story I heard recently...

A man and woman get into an argument in their car (small compact) in a parking lot.

Man gets out of car and begins shooting at woman still in car. She crawls across car and exits passenger side (apparently she was the driver).

Man fires 12 shots total. Wounds woman once in the arm.

Police arrive. Fire 1 shot. Gunman dead.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Actually, she got bored with your weenie little arguments.
Click to expand...

No, you got called on using a strawman attack, and when you couldn't escape the accusation, you fled.

If only the defeated would stay fled.

Catz Part Deux said:
I did 2 years of high school debate and spent 4 years on a debate scholarship in college. I routinely kicked the ass of weenies.
Click to expand...

Well, still waiting for you to point out my misuse of Latin, but you haven't, because you told a falsehood.

Catz Part Deux said:
Debates AREN'T won or lost on shouting out misused latin phrases.
Click to expand...

They sure are lost when some dummy on the team wastes time using a logical fallacy, like Ad Hominem arguments , or Strawman arguments.
 
Voidwar said:
Work on your Comprehension or have someone else read the small print on your next contract.
Click to expand...

You are trying very hard to play some kind of semantics game.

Sorry I am not going to play this game.

It is not really worth the time.
 
anybody that thinks a single block of land in Ohio is controlled by gangs needs to visit Somalia to see what control actually looks like.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Actually, she got bored with your weenie little arguments. I did 2 years of high school debate and spent 4 years on a debate scholarship in college. I routinely kicked the ass of weenies.
Debates AREN'T won or lost on shouting out misused latin phrases. They're won or lost on coherent arguments and supporting evidence. That's why research is such an integral part of winning a round of debate.

I have yet to see you present anything resembling a coherent argument in this thread, not to mention supporting evidence.
Click to expand...

since when does debating skills mean anything when it comes to truth? Those skills misused lead to abuse.
I routinely butted heads in the navy with a fellow who was good at debate, and he used his skills to convince other sailors that weed was not harmful and should be allowed. I tried to convince the same sailors that weed IS harmful, to their careers. Quite a few of his followers bit the dust before he himself got caught selling weed on base, and got sent to Leavenworth.
If you want to lead people astray, debating skills along with lies leads to propaganda, and the low hanging fruit among us will accept lies as truth.
I would like to incarcerate all who do such things, but that means that the entire population of marketing and advertsing industries would have to be jailed....
 
UtahBill said:
since when does debating skills mean anything when it comes to truth? Those skills misused lead to abuse.
I routinely butted heads in the navy with a fellow who was good at debate, and he used his skills to convince other sailors that weed was not harmful and should be allowed. I tried to convince the same sailors that weed IS harmful, to their careers. Quite a few of his followers bit the dust before he himself got caught selling weed on base, and got sent to Leavenworth.
If you want to lead people astray, debating skills along with lies leads to propaganda, and the low hanging fruit among us will accept lies as truth.
I would like to incarcerate all who do such things, but that means that the entire population of marketing and advertsing industries would have to be jailed....
Click to expand...

Debating skills are irrelevant if they aren't based upon solid, coherent arguments and evidence.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom