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Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

aps said:
If I call someone's argument irrational, that's attacking a mod? Really? Okay. :roll:
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You didn't say anything about her argument, you said something about her personally and her only.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
I made nothing up. You obviously have problems with the 9th amendment.
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And apparently you've got problems with the 10th.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Yes, you're correct, there are other rights that are not stated by the Constitution and the Federal government shouldn't be attempting to deny those rights. That said, neither too is it the FEDERAL governments place nor privledge to also be dealing with said rights either. They are the STATES issues to resolve.

Yes, you most certainly made those others up. "The Right to Drug Use"? Really, that's a "right"? Its not a "right", but it is something the federal government shouldn't be bullying around in. A persons right and something that the federal government is not meant to be involved in does not necessarily equal. You feel those things are things that should be protected so you just decide, based on nothing but conjecture, to say the Constitution grants it to you not because the constitution says so but because you feel that it does.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Cut the personal attacks and baiting one liners out
 
Conservative groups criticize Sotomayor pick

TheHill.com - Conservative groups criticize Sotomayor pick

"Judge Sotomayor is a liberal judicial activist of the first order who thinks her own personal political agenda is more important than the law as written," said Wendy Long, counsel to the conservative Judicial Confirmation Network. "She thinks that judges should dictate policy, and that one's sex, race and ethnicity ought to affect the decisions one renders from the bench."
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Ah... judicial activision... what a surprise for a liberal judge.

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life," Sotomayor said during the speech, which has provoked angry opposition from would-be opponents.
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Well, it looks like Sotomayor's own words confirm Wendy Long's concerns (above).

I understand from several sources that a majority of Sotomayor's decisions while on the Court of Appeals were overruled by the Supreme Court. It looks like Obama has struck "gold" with this one!
 
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Jerry said:
Their genders and races are completely irrelevant. Only their ability to interpret maters.
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Is that why Reagan put the first Italian American to put the court? (Scalia), or Bush 41 the first African American? (Thomas).
 
Family Guy said:
I see, so you do not accept her apology and her rescinding of her own remarks? You know from watching a You Tube video her true intent despite her apologizing.

Do you think that perhaps you're being partisan in your opposition, just a tad? Not accepting someone's admission of an error is incredible to me and some might say shows a true lack of character.

I guess you're the one human on this planet who has never regretted saying something and apologized for it....:roll:
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I don't consider oops I shouldn't have said that followed by condescending laughter as any sort of genuine apology. You do? :confused:
 
This was my biggest worry about Obama (to be honest, McCain as well). I don't think I'd ever be happy with any nominee he puts into the SCotUS. I guess we have to wait and see what Congress does here, but I would hope we can maybe ferret out a bit better candidate.
 
Joe1991 said:
Is that why Reagan put the first Italian American to put the court? (Scalia), or Bush 41 the first African American? (Thomas).
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Merit is a concept completely alien to you isn't it?

Race and gender are (or should be) completely incidental, and when they happen to help a politician of course that politician is going to pander...that's what politicians do.

That's not the case with you and a couple others on this thread, though. Race and gender are your FIRST concerns.
 
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Of course the right is against her. Par for the course and expected. Most unbiased commentators have said she is a good candidate remianing centrist on most issues. If the court did not from time to time make leaps forward segregation would still exist, does the right advocate going back that far?
 
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Councilman said:
Sotomayor nominated to high court — first Hispanic - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama named federal appeals judge Sonia Sotomayor as the nation's first Hispanic Supreme Court justice on Tuesday, praising her as "an inspiring woman" with both the intellect and compassion to interpret the Constitution wisely.
Obama said Sotomayor has more experience as a judge than any current member of the high court had when nominated, adding she has earned the "respect of colleagues on the bench," the admiration of lawyers who appear in her court and "the adoration of her clerks."

Is it ever a good idea to have activist judges on the court? I wonder.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Cardozo]Benjamin N. Cardozo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Portuguese Jewish decent.

Served 1932-1938, nominated by Hoover.

Facts, they are your friend, Dem talking points? Are not.
 
aps said:
What happened to rational talloulou? Is she gone for the next 4 years?
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How am I lacking rationality?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfC99LrrM2Q&feature=related]YouTube - Judge Sonia Sotomayor: Court is Where Policy is Made[/ame]

aps, what do you rationally think when you watch this clip?
 
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"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,"

What was she referring to when she made that statement?
 
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Intransigent Atheist said:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,"

What was she referring to when she made that statement?
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Empathy and a sense of what laws translate into for people. The sense is that wealthy white men have no idea what the consequences of their judgments are on those of other races and economic status.
 
Re: Conservative groups criticize Sotomayor pick

Intransigent Atheist said:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,"

What was she referring to when she made that statement?
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Unless she was referring to what a Latina Female should wear to a party, does it matter?

Also her comments, on video for all the world to see: "The court of Appeals, this is where Policy is made... oh wait I shouldn't say that...."

Where in her comments does the Constitution come into play? I've yet to read her commenting on that. A lot about her, her ethnicity, her gender... but nothing about the Constitution.

She's a centrist if you're to the left of Obama maybe.
 
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tlmorg02 said:
Empathy and a sense of what laws translate into for people. The sense is that wealthy white men have no idea what the consequences of their judgments are on those of other races and economic status.
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And this has to do with the Constitution how again?
 
Re: Conservative groups criticize Sotomayor pick

tlmorg02 said:
Of course the right is against her. Par for the course and expected. Most unbiased commentators have said she is a good candidate remianing centrist on most issues. If the court did not from time to time make leaps forward segregation would still exist, does the right advocate going back that far?
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I'm against any judge, right or left, who thinks "making policy," is thier job.
 
Re: Sotomayor nominated to high court — first Hispanic

Councilman said:
Sotomayor nominated to high court — first Hispanic - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama named federal appeals judge Sonia Sotomayor as the nation's first Hispanic Supreme Court justice on Tuesday, praising her as "an inspiring woman" with both the intellect and compassion to interpret the Constitution wisely.
Obama said Sotomayor has more experience as a judge than any current member of the high court had when nominated, adding she has earned the "respect of colleagues on the bench," the admiration of lawyers who appear in her court and "the adoration of her clerks."

Is it ever a good idea to have activist judges on the court? I wonder.
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I'd like to know more about her decisions before I throw any criticisms out.

No doubt identity politics played a role because we keep having all these nonsensical firsts like they matter as to whether or not someone can do the job.
 
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