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Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

No such thing as a "moderate" conservative. The moderate label is applied to liberals to make them feel less embarassed about their silly beliefs.
Nonsense, spoken like a true hillbilly. "I'm right! And unless you think like me you're wrong!" Cletus.
Nothing decent about it, McCain was one of the two annointed by the media to lead the GOP. The Democrat dominated media had been trying to get McCain to lose for the GOP since 2000.
You go ahead and keep your head in the sand there big fella, tell yourself mommy is gonna make the bad man go away. The liberal dominated media did not nominate John McCain...the Republican voters did. Chew on that for a while or just come up with another conspiracy theory.


Yes, the moderates are trying to make the Republicans lose more elections, we all know that.
No, the moderates are successfully decreasing the conservative influence in the GOP because they don't agree with it so much. You call it what you want.
 
No, I didn't say that at all.

Oh, sure you did. Since that's the goal of The Messiah, it's clear then that it must be what Skippy wanted if you're claiming that The Messiah's vision and Skippy's vision were in agreement.

You didn't use those exact words, of course, but I'm an expert at exposing what leftists really mean when they post.

And like you were saying...well you weren't saying much at all because you didn't actually debate the point. You're just spewing ignorant vitriol. You're good at it though.

What you're not good at is refuting my position by actually naming unique qualifications The Messiah has. I don't really count "kissing European ass" as a valid qualification.

No, not at all. I'm arguing that Powell's military experience is a major, if not the major determinant in his political decision making. He saw what Bush and Co. did to his strategy, he wasn't going to watch McCain continue the abortion.

Professional military men typically suck at politics. Skippy's not an exception to this rule. Also, Skippy would rather have Obama continue the abortion instead of McCain. Why? Since The Messiah had no qualifications and no workable vision, what was the basis of Skippy's choice?

I think you were the one kicked in the head here. Seriously, you don't debate. You just cackle.

Don't forget Snap and Pop. Oh, wait. Isn't "Rice Krispies" a racist term?

No, the race issue makes you sound stupid.

That's your rebuttal?

He absolutely could. And if you knew anything at all about what you were talking about you would understand why. But then we couldn't have your hyper partisan ignorant mindset being compromised by sound logic and reason now could we?

Yes, a person dedicated to preserving the nation could endorse Obama, if that person was kicked in the head by a mule.

Jeez, glad that's all straightened out now.
 
I'm not suggesting it's the correct policy, and we need to figure out a way to deal with Korea and Iran quickly. The recent nuclear test and Gulf of Aidan incidents are disconcerting, to say the least.

But it's a legitimate policy difference advocated by both Powell and Obama.

Korea: Tell the Chinese, "Yo, you got a problem, dude, deal with it."

Iran: Bomb them and prevent them from building a nuke. Or just bomb them because it's fun. They deserve bombing, big time.
 
It's actually working out very well. Seriously, you ignore the work he's doing in Europe and the Middle East to focus the most hard to crack nations. Nobody said he was going to win them over six months into his Presidency. It's taken decades to create the rifts between these nations and the ideological chasms are huge. Reasonable people realize you have to start the process somewhere and the process will take time. Reasonable people being the key words.

What work has he done? Oh, that's right, Santa was delivering iPods to the Queen of England and dumping a crate of unusable DVD's in someone else's lap.

He's thrown Poland back to the wolves, he's allowed Russia to slap his willy, he's tried to pressure Netanyahu into surrendering Israel's security, he's been slapped by Iran, too, he's encouraged all those fine upstanding European nations to take our Guantanamo inmates....oops, he hasn't done that....

He's basically sucked, so far. He's living up to expectations.
 
No. Racism is a reason. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean it isn't the truth.
It isn't the "truth" as you've never factually established your argument. You've injected your ignorant opinion and called it the truth. Try again?

Prove I didn't see them.
You already said you didn't see them.

Don't use your assumption that your posts are diamonds you graciously cast into the mud before swine to count as evidence. Being a total pig, I am perfectly free to choose to ignore rocks when looking for something to eat.
In other words you really had no intelligent response (as evidenced by your litany of intellectual failures thus far) to them so you saw them, you just chose to ignore them out of survival instinct. Now that I have called you out for the type of poster you are, you feel obligated to respond. Bang up job by the way, truly top drawer.

That would be more properly asked "when did the media push the Powell candidacy and how did Powell use the media pressure to boost sales of a book no one would otherwise have heard of, without actually saying if he was going to be a candidate or not", and the answer is "1996".
Right, that's it. It's all about book sales and running for office with Colin Powell. I see you are still clutching the "get Powell by any means necessary" since he stood as an influential figure in the U.S. and went against the conservative grain. It'll be okay.

You should get your nose out of books and pay attention to what's happenin'.
Yeah...Scarecrow Ahkbar say "books bad! books bad!" Oh man, this is just too precious.

One of us understands the nature of rhetoric. That one of us is not you, apparently.
And one of understand reason, logic, history, and the difference between an established fact and an ignorant opinion. That one of us is not you.


Well, you wouldn't do that because it illustrates Skippy's far left positions on politics and invalidates his claim to be a real genuine Republican, and supports claims that he's a racist RINO.
There you go again, the "my way or the highway" argument. You've offered no proof that he's a racist. And I'm a pro-gun Democrat, so "check mate."


You haven't raised a point subject to debate.
Translation: I can't actually provide and intelligent rebuttal, so I'll rely on catcalling. Fine, as you can see, I can play both games at once.
Then again, it might merely be that his military service isn't relevant to the discussion at hand.
And there's the ball game. It just shows you are completely full of ****. It has everything to do with the discussion at hand because it is biggest factor in identifying who Colin Powell is and where most of his politics come from.

I'll let you pick which, and maybe someone will care enough to debate why I didn't bother to debate the fact that you mentioned Powell's military record.
You didn't debate it because you can't. You don't really know anything about the man as evidenced by your brilliant commentary thus far.

That, and shredded the posts you provided in my own uniquely cutting fashion.
Keep telling yourself that Cletus.
 
What work has he done? Oh, that's right, Santa was delivering iPods to the Queen of England and dumping a crate of unusable DVD's in someone else's lap.
The UK was not the problem, and neither of these incidents have done anything to weaken our alliance with them. Do you actually understand how deep and historical alliance with the UK is? Only a fool would try to foist the idea that these social blunders actually damaged that alliance.
He's thrown Poland back to the wolves,
Nothing like over exaggerating the situation for effect eh? :rofl Articulate your point son or get off of it.
he's allowed Russia to slap his willy,
More stumbling and bumbling I see. Articulate your point in an intelligent and logical fashion please. Your extreme talking point bull**** doesn't cut it here.
he's tried to pressure Netanyahu into surrendering Israel's security,
No he hasn't. Articulate the point.
he's been slapped by Iran, too,
No he hasn't.
he's encouraged all those fine upstanding European nations to take our Guantanamo inmates....oops, he hasn't done that....
Why would he? We were content to do it ourselves. The Europeans were smarter than us in that regard.
He's basically sucked, so far. He's living up to expectations.
Your opinion, the majority of the nation and world disagree with you. Poor kid.
 
Oh, sure you did. Since that's the goal of The Messiah, it's clear then that it must be what Skippy wanted if you're claiming that The Messiah's vision and Skippy's vision were in agreement.

You didn't use those exact words, of course, but I'm an expert at exposing what leftists really mean when they post.



What you're not good at is refuting my position by actually naming unique qualifications The Messiah has. I don't really count "kissing European ass" as a valid qualification.



Professional military men typically suck at politics. Skippy's not an exception to this rule. Also, Skippy would rather have Obama continue the abortion instead of McCain. Why? Since The Messiah had no qualifications and no workable vision, what was the basis of Skippy's choice?



Don't forget Snap and Pop. Oh, wait. Isn't "Rice Krispies" a racist term?



That's your rebuttal?



Yes, a person dedicated to preserving the nation could endorse Obama, if that person was kicked in the head by a mule.

Jeez, glad that's all straightened out now.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

This just gets better and better with each post!

I'm going to debate Moon or Zyphlin or Goshin. They represent good examples of intelligent conservative forum members. You're not capable of intelligent debate.

Take care not to trip over your own words anymore.
 
What are Powell's views on specific issues? Does anyone here know?

And by the way, Powell and any other so called moderate who wants to move the GOP to the left must explain why, when the ideal moderate Republican candidate (John McCain) was there to be elected, they chose to vote for Obama.

Psst. Nobody wants the chick who didn't even have a passport until 2006 to take any kind of role in foreign policy. I'm pretty sure that's why most moderates were turned off.
 
It isn't the "truth" as you've never factually established your argument.

Sure I have. "Eliminate all possibilities that couldn't happen, and whatever is left, no matter how improbable, is the solution", to quote Sherlock Holmes. And I don't actually figure that a black liberal booted out of the Secretary of State position would find his racist tendency to support a "brother" running for president against the record of the man that fired him to be all that big a stretch.

Why do you find it so difficult? Your belief that only whites are racist?


In other words you really had no intelligent response (as evidenced by your litany of intellectual failures thus far) to them so you saw them, you just chose to ignore them out of survival instinct.

That was an intelligent response.

Now explain why you should expect anyone to respond to the endless stream of crap I found under your name.

Now that I have called you out for the type of poster you are, you feel obligated to respond.

Yeah, I missed that post. Can you link me to that post of yours that said "intelilgent, irrefutable, eminently knowledgable, honest, and fearless in the face of liberal mediocrity and mendaciousness" again? I seriously did not see that one.

Right, that's it. It's all about book sales and running for office with Colin Powell.

This is the best of your ability to dissect a sentence and reveal the stated meaning?

Do you truly believe that what I said?

More importantly, do you beleive that's what others will see, reading my post?

I see you are still clutching the "get Powell by any means necessary" since he stood as an influential figure in the U.S. and went against the conservative grain. It'll be okay.

Nope, just pointing out racism, is all.

Powell's basically an irrelevancy and is only being discussed because the media picked up on his ignorant comments. What do his comments prove? That he's an ignorant hack that either doesn't understand the politics of the last decade, or who's whoring himself out in the hopes of getting another government job. Regardless, his comment that the GOP shouldn't move to the right is flat wrong.

And one of understand reason, logic, history, and the difference between an established fact and an ignorant opinion. That one of us is not you.

Yeah, and one of us can type the word "us" so the sentence makes sense.

Also, no one proposing that Powell's support of Obama based on the belief that Obama's inarticulate vision of the future (I guess he doesn't have a "future teleprompter") has the slightest understanding of the currents of history. That one of us is you.

There you go again, the "my way or the highway" argument. You've offered no proof that he's a racist. And I'm a pro-gun Democrat, so "check mate."

You think repeating yourself establishes credence?

Translation: I can't actually provide and intelligent rebuttal, so I'll rely on catcalling. Fine, as you can see, I can play both games at once.

Yes, I've seen that you can't rebut arguments and that you call cats.

So?

And there's the ball game. It just shows you are completely full of ****. It has everything to do with the discussion at hand because it is biggest factor in identifying who Colin Powell is and where most of his politics come from.

See that guys? He says I'm full of stars! Cool!

Oh, is this thread now about Finding Colon Powell, aka "Jiff"...er "Skippy", and figuring out where his misguided politics come from? I thought it was about his getting kicked in the head when he was a wee child....er his incredible political acumen in steering the Republican party down the same path towards serfdom the Democrats are eagerly pursuing, like little babies riding their strollers down a steep San Francisco hill into the cold and deadly bay.

You didn't debate it because you can't. You don't really know anything about the man as evidenced by your brilliant commentary thus far.

The debate isn't about the man. The debate is about the man's racist decision to back Obama for no reason at all.
 
Let's look at the whole "Powell voted based on race" thing objectively.

96% of blacks voted for Obama. This is not something that normally happens for a white candidate.

False


Black Vote Key to Kerry?s Charge

Since then, the black vote has averaged about 90 percent Democratic. Accordingly, black voters often play a key role in internal Democratic Party politics. The black vote played little role in the Democratic nominations of 1968 and 1972. In 1968, the convention, still dominated by white political machines, chose the nominee, and blacks were divided in 1972.

However, 1976 was a watershed in black politics, setting up a pattern that continues today. Jimmy Carter, a white farmer from Georgia, swept the black vote against numerous northern liberals. Carter openly campaigned as a Southerner who had learned the value of racial reconciliation through the Civil Rights movement.

It can be said with reason then that black Republicans voted for Obama because of race.

Colin Powell is a black Republican. He voted for Obama just like most other black Republicans. It would be a tremendous coincidence if he happened to be the one of the very few black Republicans who voted for Obama for reasons other than race. I have yet to see evidence that confirms this tremendous coincidence to be truth.

Honestly, he's not going to go out and say "I support Obama because he's black". We have to use some deductive reasoning here.

Your reasoning is flawed and you seem to base your claims on non-facts. Please stop? For anybody to state that Democrats don't usually get over 90% of the black vote is simply dishonest. What next? Republicans usually win get half of the minority vote? Please stop it. This little claim of your has been debunked over and over again.
 
The UK was not the problem, and neither of these incidents have done anything to weaken our alliance with them. Do you actually understand how deep and historical alliance with the UK is?

Yes, the British were our adversaries until they assessed our industrial capabilities in the Civil War and they then began a long term process of buttering us up, which paid off handsomely for them when they got the rubes on this side of the Pond to bail their sorry asses out of two wars they couldn't win without us.

What have they done for us that we couldn't have done ourselves?

Nada.

Oh, I forget, you study history.

I understand it.

Only a fool would try to foist the idea that these social blunders actually damaged that alliance.

Sorry, you were pointing out the wonderful successes Obama had in Europe. I was pointing out the boy's gaffes, which, by definition, are not successes.

Nothing like over exaggerating the situation for effect eh?

You should know. Now explain what sort of "success" there is in reneging on a defense agreement with an ally.

More stumbling and bumbling I see. Articulate your point in an intelligent and logical fashion please. Your extreme talking point bull**** doesn't cut it here.

Guess what?

I post as I will. I expect that people of lesser intelligence may have difficulty keeping up, and well, that's just too damn bad, isn't it?

No he hasn't. Articulate the point.

How many joints do you want it it? Typically, because a point has zero dimension, it's not possible to articulate points, and articulation is therefore reserved for structures of at least one dimension.

No he hasn't.

Yes he has.

Why would he?

Why wouldn't he?

We were content to do it ourselves.

Sounds kinky. Please specify.

The Europeans were smarter than us in that regard.

Hardly. They're still living in Europe, aren't they?

Your opinion, the majority of the nation and world disagree with you. Poor kid.

Then again, the majority is usually wrong, not to mention the fact that logical arguments aren't won by popular vote.
 
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The debate isn't about the man. The debate is about the man's racist decision to back Obama for no reason at all.

See folks, this is the kind of bizarro logic that I'm banging my head against a wall over.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Okay so let's get back to square one. You've claimed Powell voted based upon race. You've not proven it, period. Not in any way, shape, or form.

Please do so now.
 
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See folks, this is the kind of bizarro logic that I'm banging my head against a wall over.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Okay so let's get back to square one. You've claimed Powell voted based upon race. You've not proven it, period. Not in any way, shape, or form.

Please do so now.

Proven, case closed.

What you haven't done is provided any legitimate quality of The Messiah that would support your contention that Powell could have used something besides race to make his endorsement. You did say that Powell thought that The Messiah may have had some vision in common with Skippy, but since The Messiah doesn't have any qualifications to be president, that merely meant that Skippy was deluded. Ergo, you're arguing that Skippy's endorsement was an act of delusion, not racism.

However, what you can't do is prove that the delusion wasn't also racist, and that Skippy was just lying.

I, on the other hand, demonstrated that no one in their right mind who was concerned about the security of the United States would vote for The Messiah, and since Skippy did swear that oath, therefore Skippy was not endorsing the Messiah out of any sense of improving national security, and the only remaining alternative was race.

You've done nothing to rebut this.
 
Proven, case closed.
No you haven't. You can't point to a single post in this thread in which you've proven Powell to be a racist.

I'll continue to wait for your substantiation of this absurd notion.
 
The thing the GOP needs to do IS to go farther to the Right, but not in regards to Social Issues where they're already EXTREMELY Right, but in all other aspects of conservatism.

All right then. You guys go with that. :rofl

Pardon me for not responding in depth to your post to me but you lost me when you started the typical insult pattern thing you guys do, somewhere in the beginning, when you called me ignorant. Nothing you had to say after that, (the little I actually read,) mattered.

But, I might add that to the list of reasons why the GOP is getting slammed left and right. Their offensive way of trying to relate. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter. It's as if dickheadedness is an admirable quality to these type of people.

Whatever. I'm just glad they're on their way out.
 
All right then. You guys go with that. :rofl

Pardon me for not responding in depth to your post to me but you lost me when you started the typical insult pattern thing you guys do, somewhere in the beginning, when you called me ignorant. Nothing you had to say after that, (the little I actually read,) mattered.

But, I might add that to the list of reasons why the GOP is getting slammed left and right. Their offensive way of trying to relate. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter. It's as if dickheadedness is an admirable quality to these type of people.

Whatever. I'm just glad they're on their way out.

No one called you ignorant in a general sense, IE dumb, I stated your comments appeared that you were ignorant OF CONSERVATISM or more precisely, of your beef with conservatism. That doesn't mean you're stupid, that means you appear uninformed and educated on the matter. You framed your entire argument as a reason why they shouldn't go to the right, why being more conservative is bad, yet the ONLY examples you used were SOCIAL conservative examples and nothing else. Its an worthless and illogical argument to make, as your complaining through words about one thing while giving examples for something entirely different.

No one that I know is saying "The Republicans need to go further right on social issues...and continue being flip floppers and moderates on other". They're saying they need to go further right, across the board, actually BE conservatives as a whole, not just social conservatives. Indeed, doing exactly that will actually lessen the extremeness of the social side because its tempered with the other portions.

Its not an insult to your intelligence, its a testament to your illogical argument and your seeming inability to actually comprehend the situation and conservatism.
 
I made no bones about it. If I recall, I made it clear that the only beef I had was with social conservatives wanting to shove their agendas down the throats of those who don't want to buy it (and the GOP seems to be joined to these people at the hip.)

I'm all for REAL conservatism. Goldwater style with a little Ronnie thrown in. Real conservatives, in my opinon, should be out on the front lines fighting for equal rights for ALL and insisting on leaving church matters to the church and state matters to the state. They should be talking dollars and sense and not queers and abortions.

Also, the GOP tradition of being pro-big business man and not so much pro-average Joe, (although that does have it's merit) ain't gonna score them many points right now since Mr. Big Business has just ****ed Average Joe up the arse without using any Vaseline.

I think they need to move further to the right on spending control and other fiscal matters they have dismally failed at the past decade or so. On that, we can agree. (The dems probably won't do any better.)

They need to slide to the left on social matters, or at least cut their apron strings from those rightwingnut politic-preachers (and their followers) and those vile propagandists that hitched their wagon to the GOP (and their followers as well.)

And they need to quit being such offensive dickheads too. It matters not if their idea is good or not when they can't get it across without insulting, condescending, and overall come across as an arrogant "better-than-thou" know it all. Because nobody wants to listen to them anymore. I know I don't.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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They need to slide to the left on social matters, or at least cut their apron strings from those rightwingnut politic-preachers (and their followers) and those vile propagandists that hitched their wagon to the GOP (and their followers as well.)

And they need to quit being such offensive dickheads too.

The insults, over exaggerations, offensive name calling, grandiose stereotyping and further are hardly relegated to a single side of any issue. It just happens that people are far more often blind to it when their side of a debate is doing it and far more critical of it when its levied against themselves.
 
The insults, over exaggerations, offensive name calling, grandiose stereotyping and further are hardly relegated to a single side of any issue. It just happens that people are far more often blind to it when their side of a debate is doing it and far more critical of it when its levied against themselves.

That makes sense too. Maybe I'll ponder on that a while. :2wave:
 
I was just venting in this thread, but you could argue why and present evidence as to your claims. At least then it would appear more intelligent than simply calling him Skippy and assuming that because Powell is black he voted for Obama.

You complained people dredge up stuff from the election... how else are you going to analyze Powell's vote and endorsement without doing that?

Obama left such a vile trail, a trail that had been dripped out little by little, a vile trail no sane Republican could endorse, and certainly no moderate R could endorse when McCain was our nominee.

Powell has yet to justify voting for someone who:

Was the pointman behind infanticide legislation.
Thinks much of the country are "Bitter clingers".
Had a race baiting Reverend as his mentor.
Believes in "spreading the wealth around."
Has a wife that reflects their disdain for this country; how can you not be proud of America in your lifetime?
Sought out and worked with a domestic terrorist on two boards.
Slighted American troops as those who are "air raiding villages and killing civilians.'"

This is the short list, and any one of these would be enough to dismiss any Republican from voting for such a candidate.

I do like the fact Powell keeps coming out to speak on the matter because each time he says less and less about why he voted for Obama, and he started at zero, so he's now in negative territory. His public displays also afford the opportunity for Conservatives to ask him once again why he voted for the radical duo of Obama/Biden... it's an indefensible vote if you look at the facts, and with each public appearance on the issue, Powell becomes less and less relevant.

An aside; after watching Biden in action, I think it's fair to say Palin would do a far better job than Woodshed Joe.

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You complained people dredge up stuff from the election... how else are you going to analyze Powell's vote and endorsement without doing that?

Obama left such a vile trail, a trail that had been dripped out little by little, a vile trail no sane Republican could endorse, and certainly no moderate R could endorse when McCain was our nominee.

Powell has yet to justify voting for someone who:

Was the pointman behind infanticide legislation.
Thinks much of the country are "Bitter clingers".
Had a race baiting Reverend as his mentor.
Believes in "spreading the wealth around."
Has a wife that reflects their disdain for this country; how can you not be proud of America in your lifetime?
Sought out and worked with a domestic terrorist on two boards.
Slighted American troops as those who are "air raiding villages and killing civilians.'"

This is the short list, and any one of these would be enough to dismiss any Republican from voting for such a candidate.

I do like the fact Powell keeps coming out to speak on the matter because each time he says less and less about why he voted for Obama, and he started at zero, so he's now in negative territory. His public displays also afford the opportunity for Conservatives to ask him once again why he voted for the radical duo of Obama/Biden... it's an indefensible vote if you look at the facts, and with each public appearance on the issue, Powell becomes less and less relevant.

An aside; after watching Biden in action, I think it's fair to say Palin would do a far better job than Woodshed Joe.

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I very seriously doubt that any informed voter paid attention to any of those talking points the GOP put out on Obama. I will not even attempt to discuss the whole abortion thing, as it will get us nowhere. As to the bitter clingers remark, I have to say that he never said much, he said there was a portion of the country, and from journals I have read he is right. The GOP, during every Presidential election, has issued propaganda in places like West Virginia saying that whoever the nominee on the Democratic ticket is will "take-away your bible and guns." Such is very true for Kansas. This state has voted Republican for a couple of decades now and is becoming one of the poorest states in the country as jobs leave by the dozens, but they vote on social issues, and the GOP spin machine is wonderful at convincing them of a threat.

The other things you posted are preposterous and you know it. "Spreading the wealth around," does not mean take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Rather it is pertaining to the necessity of tax breaks on the Middle Class in order to stimulate consumer spending. But alas, most Conservatives believe in Trickle-Down Economics, which has proven time and again to be worthless, just look at our recession. The rest I will not even entertain, it would be like me accusing President Bush of being a terrorist because he entertained the Taliban and Bin Laden family in his home and at the White House.
 
All right then. You guys go with that. :rofl

Pardon me for not responding in depth to your post to me but you lost me when you started the typical insult pattern thing you guys do, somewhere in the beginning, when you called me ignorant. Nothing you had to say after that, (the little I actually read,) mattered.

But, I might add that to the list of reasons why the GOP is getting slammed left and right. Their offensive way of trying to relate. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter. It's as if dickheadedness is an admirable quality to these type of people.
Whatever. I'm just glad they're on their way out.

AMEN, brother.....
The GOP needs to eliminate the idea that dickheadedness is a point of honor....
Offensive behavior by McCain almost turned me away. I voted for the little dick anyway, but in Utah it was a waste of time. He was sure to win here.
 
I very seriously doubt that any informed voter paid attention to any of those talking points the GOP put out on Obama. I will not even attempt to discuss the whole abortion thing, as it will get us nowhere. As to the bitter clingers remark, I have to say that he never said much, he said there was a portion of the country, and from journals I have read he is right. The GOP, during every Presidential election, has issued propaganda in places like West Virginia saying that whoever the nominee on the Democratic ticket is will "take-away your bible and guns." Such is very true for Kansas. This state has voted Republican for a couple of decades now and is becoming one of the poorest states in the country as jobs leave by the dozens, but they vote on social issues, and the GOP spin machine is wonderful at convincing them of a threat.

The other things you posted are preposterous and you know it. "Spreading the wealth around," does not mean take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Rather it is pertaining to the necessity of tax breaks on the Middle Class in order to stimulate consumer spending. But alas, most Conservatives believe in Trickle-Down Economics, which has proven time and again to be worthless, just look at our recession. The rest I will not even entertain, it would be like me accusing President Bush of being a terrorist because he entertained the Taliban and Bin Laden family in his home and at the White House.

All the list I mentioned are facts.
Wright is a race baiter.
Obama sat on two boards with Ayers and launched his career from his casa.
He sees not just WV's as bitter clingers, but a broader segment.
His AG reflected their view of Americans as racial cowards.
Michelle did say TWICE, she was not proud of her nation... then they inserted a sock in her yap.
He did push for infanticide legislation to ease the burden on MD's... what a scum.

Please, don't try to tell me what Obama isn't... his record is public.


If "trickle down" doesn't work, why does the world get the flu when we sneeze?

If it didn't work, the EU would have been surfing along, beating America's brains out economically for decades instead of having high single to double digit unemployment rates long before the Freddie and Fannie induced financial mess.

Instead the best EU countries rank in the bottom five US states.

Try again.

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All the list I mentioned are facts.
Wright is a race baiter.
Obama sat on two boards with Ayers and launched his career from his casa.
He sees not just WV's as bitter clingers, but a broader segment.
His AG reflected their view of Americans as racial cowards.
Michelle did say TWICE, she was not proud of her nation... then they inserted a sock in her yap.
He did push for infanticide legislation to ease the burden on MD's... what a scum.

Please, don't try to tell me what Obama isn't... his record is public.


If "trickle down" doesn't work, why does the world get the flu when we sneeze?

If it didn't work, the EU would have been surfing along, beating America's brains out economically for decades instead of having high single to double digit unemployment rates long before the Freddie and Fannie induced financial mess.

Instead the best EU countries rank in the bottom five US states.

Try again.

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There is so much wrong with the assertions you just made I do not know where to begin. First, I will give you some props for cleaning-up some of your earlier statements that had twisted the actual events, they actually sound closer alligned with the truth, though not quite there.

As far as trickle-down economics and Europe, your knowledge of this is a disaster. First of all, trickle-down has only been really used by two presidents, Reagan and George W. Bush. Both presidents encountered recessions during their tenure utilizing the practice, though Reagan's was much more minor in comparison to George W.'s due to the Democratically controlled Congress checking some of his measures. President W. Bush ran our economy straight into the dirt with it.

In regards to your comments about Europe, they are reliant upon our economy for one reason, WWII destroyed them and allowed us to surpass them. Without that war, they would undoubtedly still be the biggest economies. Couple that with neoliberalist economic intergration and you have the current global situation. When turmoil occurs it is able to spread like wildfire.

Nice Try Though.
 
There is so much wrong with the assertions you just made I do not know where to begin. First, I will give you some props for cleaning-up some of your earlier statements that had twisted the actual events, they actually sound closer alligned with the truth, though not quite there.

As far as trickle-down economics and Europe, your knowledge of this is a disaster. First of all, trickle-down has only been really used by two presidents, Reagan and George W. Bush. Both presidents encountered recessions during their tenure utilizing the practice, though Reagan's was much more minor in comparison to George W.'s due to the Democratically controlled Congress checking some of his measures. President W. Bush ran our economy straight into the dirt with it.

In regards to your comments about Europe, they are reliant upon our economy for one reason, WWII destroyed them and allowed us to surpass them. Without that war, they would undoubtedly still be the biggest economies. Couple that with neoliberalist economic intergration and you have the current global situation. When turmoil occurs it is able to spread like wildfire.

Nice Try Though.
LOL... sorry... you're defense of Obama is laughable, Obama's record is public. Much of what I quoted is on youtube.

Trickle down... exists constantly.
Sometimes it trickles less; like when government clogs the pipes.
Then other areas grow, like the black market.

Much of Europe was destroyed, but the west has been prosperous enough since the mid 1960's. I know... I lived there. I know, I went back and have spent the better part of a quarter century there. North to south, west and former east.

Their socialist governments have prevented upward mobility. It has halted the growth of the private sector. It has overinflated the cost of basic labor... which is why they have had it tough long before Freddie and Fannie.

Their labor costs, social costs have priced basic labor out of the market; and former Commi Eastern Europe has gained much of this labor.

It's why doctors are leaving... it is why wealth is leaving for less hostile waters.

That cash is trickling elsewhere, or is being hidden until safer waters are in view.

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