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Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

Let's look at the whole "Powell voted based on race" thing objectively.

96% of blacks voted for Obama. This is not something that normally happens for a white candidate. It can be said with reason then that black Republicans voted for Obama because of race.

Colin Powell is a black Republican. He voted for Obama just like most other black Republicans. It would be a tremendous coincidence if he happened to be the one of the very few black Republicans who voted for Obama for reasons other than race. I have yet to see evidence that confirms this tremendous coincidence to be truth.

Honestly, he's not going to go out and say "I support Obama because he's black". We have to use some deductive reasoning here.
 
Lerxst said:
:rofl:rofl:rofl
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If Powell had such a problem with the war policies of Bush and McCain, then Ron Paul the Conservative Republican commited to a small Constitutional Government & no nation building - would have been his choice.

...if he (Powell) was a Conservative that is.
 
Lerxst said:
Wrong again. I've already provided a very good set of reasons as to why Powell would vote for Obama.
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I provided a better reason.


Lerxst said:
You've been suspiciously absent in addressing my points. Wonder why that is?
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You mean besides the fact that I don't recall seeing them?

Lerxst said:
Powell is a soldier, first and foremost. That was his life.
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That's fine. What's he doing in politics, then? He too stupid to figure out what happened to MacArthur? He had hopes of being an Eisenhower, I suppose. That idea crashed and burned for two reasons. He's too liberal to get a Republican nomination, and the Democrats HATE the military.

Lerxst said:
He was one of the most influential American general's in history when it came to finishing out the post-Vietnam reorganization of the American military. When you dissect his career and his military philosophy it becomes very clear as to why Powell voted for Obama. Race has nothing to do with it.
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You mean, he endorsed Obama back in the 70's? I missed that one.

I see you don't mention his pro-gun-control liberal philosophy. Why is that?

Since he endorsed Obama again in, just last year, I saw that one, and it is perfectly clear that, given the fact that Obama has ZERO qualifications to be president, just like my dog, that Powell was not using any practical measure of the man to endorse him. What else is there? Race.
 
The silenced majority said:
Ron Paul is a Republican

Checkmate
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He is? That's not what the other 8 people in the Republican primaries seemed to think. :2razz:

A legitimate point of policy Powell referenced in his endorsement was Obama's willingness to talk to governments the Bush administration had ignored (Iran, for example). You can debate the merits of his belief, but that's at least one legitimate foreign policy issue.

And as for his beliefs:
Colin Powell on the Issues

After a quick skim, I notice that he is in fact pro choice. But his views on taxes, the economy, charter schools, etc. seems more in line with conservative viewpoints. Hope that helps.
 
Lerxst said:
And apparently you don't actually read the threads you take a dump in.
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Sure I do.

This thread is sooooo involved, soooooo complex, that it has posts like this in it:

"That last comma was unnecessary. "
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
He calls himself Skippy. Perhaps you've paid less attention to him than I have, perhaps you just happened to miss that one Late Night With David Letterman in 1996 when he was pushing a book, in which he stated that "Skippy" is what he liked to be called. Or it could have been Leno, it wa a long time ago, but he did say it.

Since he stated he liked to be called "Skippy", I call him that, since he's a little too chubby to be a Peter Pan.

Now that we've resolved that issue to my satisfaction, you could note that I went through the link provided by a person who claims Skippy had "real" reasons for endorsing the Kenyan Kandidate, and found those reasons to be non-existent or shallow. Race would seem to be the only overriding factor.
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Thank you sir, that is entirely better. So, I shall ask, why do you feel that his foreign policy excuses are shallow? He clearly had a problem with the Bush administrations premptive doctrine of defense. He stated that he felt the country needed a return to diplomacy first and war second. Do you find this as naive or wrong for the country? Why?
 
Well, let's see your "arguments".

Lerxst said:
I think he is moderately conservative. I'm with you on this.
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No such thing as a "moderate" conservative. The moderate label is applied to liberals to make them feel less embarassed about their silly beliefs.

Lerxst said:
I'm curious as to how you get there from here. As an example I present to you the nomination of John McCain, who was carried by a decent majority within the GOP.
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Nothing decent about it, McCain was one of the two annointed by the media to lead the GOP. The Democrat dominated media had been trying to get McCain to lose for the GOP since 2000.

Lerxst said:
Maybe the moderates are trying to purge the staunch conservatives. Ever think about that?
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Yes, the moderates are trying to make the Republicans lose more elections, we all know that.
 
Then there's this incredibly complex argument of yours:

Lerxst said:
In other words, you're sore that we won. Noted.
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Naturally, I didn't waste time on this. I always figure someone else can clean up the spilled pickles that look like lumpy green turds over on Aisle 10, can't they?
 
Here's another argument of yours:

Lerxst said:
Powell supported Obama because of Powell's own strategic vision for the U.S.
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So, you're saying that Powell's "strategic vision" was for the United States to rush down the path the Russians followed until 1989, and to kiss European ass?

Like I was saying, since Obama doesn't have any qualifications to be president, Powell couldn't have used them for endorsing him.

Now you're arguing that Powell must have been kicked in the head by an Army mule to explain his endorsement.

Lerxst said:
Obama was absolutely the best choice among the two because he was the most likely to actually follow Powell's own strategy on foreign policy and military use.
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So, because Obama wasn't qualified, and because Skippy was kicked in the head, Skippy endorsed him.

Really, the race issue makes more sense.

I mean, could a person dedicated to preserving the nation actually endorse anyone like Obama? No, that's not possible.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No such thing as a "moderate" conservative. The moderate label is applied to liberals to make them feel less embarassed about their silly beliefs.
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Hope I'm not cutting in here, but I beg to differ. I consider "moderate conservative" a legitimate label to describe someone's position on the political spectrum. Unless you don't see shades of gray in the Conservative movement... which, ironically, refers back to Powell's point.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Nothing decent about it, McCain was one of the two annointed by the media to lead the GOP. The Democrat dominated media had been trying to get McCain to lose for the GOP since 2000.
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Well, someone, somewhere, voted for the man in the Republican primaries. I personally would blame New Hampshire, those troublemakers.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yes, the moderates are trying to make the Republicans lose more elections, we all know that.
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Wait, was that sarcasm? Honest question.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Sure I do.

This thread is sooooo involved, soooooo complex, that it has posts like this in it:

"That last comma was unnecessary. "
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That post added more content than the entirety of your posts in this thread.
 
Lerxst said:
I don't guess you got the memo. We all swept the last election, we all outnumber y'all. And it's gettin' worse for y'all by the day.

:2wave:
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Hmmm...the only response to this would be to point out that cockroaches breed.

I didn't see the need to point that out.
 
The silenced majority said:
If Powell had such a problem with the war policies of Bush and McCain, then Ron Paul the Conservative Republican commited to a small Constitutional Government & no nation building - would have been his choice.

...if he (Powell) was a Conservative that is.
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Who said Powell was a dyed in the wool conservative. He's a moderate conservative, but he's an old soldier first.
 
Lerxst said:
Ummmm....seriously. You need to turn off Fox, turn off Savage, put down the Ann Coulter novel, step away from the internet, and visit a zoo, or a park, or something. This is one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever seen posted on this forum.
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Ah. In this post of yours, you're quoting me, then addressing your remarks to some strawman that exists in the socialist mythos that so corrupts the nation.

I was under no obligation to write a response for that mythical figure.
 
Lerxst said:
I've already provided a very good set of reasons as to why Powell would vote for Obama. You've been suspiciously absent in addressing my points. Wonder why that is?
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There. I've reviewed your posts.

You provided zero reasons for Skippy to do what he did.

You posted mostly trivial crap not worth responding to.

And now you're whining that I ignored them. Well. Now I haven't ignored them.

Happy?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I provided a better reason.
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No you didn't, you provided an unsubstantiated reason that allowed you to pretend you were actually discrediting the man. All you did was make yourself look like a fool.

You mean besides the fact that I don't recall seeing them?
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No, you don't read the threads thoroughly or you would have seen them.


That's fine. What's he doing in politics, then? He too stupid to figure out what happened to MacArthur? He had hopes of being an Eisenhower, I suppose. That idea crashed and burned for two reasons. He's too liberal to get a Republican nomination, and the Democrats HATE the military.
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I'm sorry, when did Powell announce his candidacy again?


You mean, he endorsed Obama back in the 70's? I missed that one.
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You missed it because I never said it and you have no clue as to what you are talking about apparently.
I see you don't mention his pro-gun-control liberal philosophy. Why is that?
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Why would I?
Since he endorsed Obama again in, just last year, I saw that one, and it is perfectly clear that, given the fact that Obama has ZERO qualifications to be president, just like my dog, that Powell was not using any practical measure of the man to endorse him. What else is there? Race.
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You've failed to actually debate the points I made about his military service. All you've done is inject red herrings and irrelevant tripe. No substance whatsoever.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
There. I've reviewed your posts.

You provided zero reasons for Skippy to do what he did.

You posted mostly trivial crap not worth responding to.

And now you're whining that I ignored them. Well. Now I haven't ignored them.

Happy?
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In other words the yellow streak present in your posts is a sign of your intellectual cowardice. Fine.
 
Thales said:
He is? That's not what the other 8 people in the Republican primaries seemed to think. :2razz:

A legitimate point of policy Powell referenced in his endorsement was Obama's willingness to talk to governments the Bush administration had ignored (Iran, for example). You can debate the merits of his belief, but that's at least one legitimate foreign policy issue..
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Yeah, that's worked out well.

North Korea has set off a nuke, and has been spending Memorial Day launching fireworks in the general direction of Japan.

Iran has told Obama "Piss off, yo, we want the bigger M80's, too, and what're YOU gonna do?"
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah, that's worked out well.

North Korea has set off a nuke, and has been spending Memorial Day launching fireworks in the general direction of Japan.

Iran has told Obama "Piss off, yo, we want the bigger M80's, too, and what're YOU gonna do?"
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I'm not suggesting it's the correct policy, and we need to figure out a way to deal with Korea and Iran quickly. The recent nuclear test and Gulf of Aidan incidents are disconcerting, to say the least.

But it's a legitimate policy difference advocated by both Powell and Obama.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Here's another argument of yours:



So, you're saying that Powell's "strategic vision" was for the United States to rush down the path the Russians followed until 1989, and to kiss European ass?
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No, I didn't say that at all. You're injecting your hyper partisan assessment of Obama's desire to improve relations with our European allies in order to mask your complete ignorance of Colin Powell's philosophy.

Like I was saying, since Obama doesn't have any qualifications to be president, Powell couldn't have used them for endorsing him.
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And like you were saying...well you weren't saying much at all because you didn't actually debate the point. You're just spewing ignorant vitriol. You're good at it though.

Now you're arguing that Powell must have been kicked in the head by an Army mule to explain his endorsement.
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No, not at all. I'm arguing that Powell's military experience is a major, if not the major determinant in his political decision making. He saw what Bush and Co. did to his strategy, he wasn't going to watch McCain continue the abortion.


So, because Obama wasn't qualified, and because Skippy was kicked in the head, Skippy endorsed him.
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I think you were the one kicked in the head here. Seriously, you don't debate. You just cackle.
Really, the race issue makes more sense.
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No, the race issue makes you sound stupid.
I mean, could a person dedicated to preserving the nation actually endorse anyone like Obama? No, that's not possible.
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He absolutely could. And if you knew anything at all about what you were talking about you would understand why. But then we couldn't have your hyper partisan ignorant mindset being compromised by sound logic and reason now could we?
 
Lerxst said:
No you didn't, you provided an unsubstantiated reason that allowed you to pretend you were actually discrediting the man. All you did was make yourself look like a fool.
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No. Racism is a reason. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

Lerxst said:
No, you don't read the threads thoroughly or you would have seen them.
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Prove I didn't see them.

Don't use your assumption that your posts are diamonds you graciously cast into the mud before swine to count as evidence. Being a total pig, I am perfectly free to choose to ignore rocks when looking for something to eat.

Lerxst said:
I'm sorry, when did Powell announce his candidacy again?
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That would be more properly asked "when did the media push the Powell candidacy and how did Powell use the media pressure to boost sales of a book no one would otherwise have heard of, without actually saying if he was going to be a candidate or not", and the answer is "1996".

You should get your nose out of books and pay attention to what's happenin'.

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You missed it because I never said it and you have no clue as to what you are talking about apparently.
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One of us understands the nature of rhetoric. That one of us is not you, apparently.

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Why would I?
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Well, you wouldn't do that because it illustrates Skippy's far left positions on politics and invalidates his claim to be a real genuine Republican, and supports claims that he's a racist RINO.

Lerxst said:
You've failed to actually debate the points I made about his military service.
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You haven't raised a point subject to debate.

That might be the reason why.

Then again, it might merely be that his military service isn't relevant to the discussion at hand.

I'll let you pick which, and maybe someone will care enough to debate why I didn't bother to debate the fact that you mentioned Powell's military record.

Lerxst said:
All you've done is inject red herrings and irrelevant tripe. No substance whatsoever.
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That, and shredded the posts you provided in my own uniquely cutting fashion.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah, that's worked out well.

North Korea has set off a nuke, and has been spending Memorial Day launching fireworks in the general direction of Japan.

Iran has told Obama "Piss off, yo, we want the bigger M80's, too, and what're YOU gonna do?"
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It's actually working out very well. Seriously, you ignore the work he's doing in Europe and the Middle East to focus the most hard to crack nations. Nobody said he was going to win them over six months into his Presidency. It's taken decades to create the rifts between these nations and the ideological chasms are huge. Reasonable people realize you have to start the process somewhere and the process will take time. Reasonable people being the key words.
 
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