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Scarecrow Akhbar said:

So, it's a 1.8 trillion dollar debt. And you're blowing it off. then you're excusing what took the Messiah less than 60 days to create with what took his predecessor eight years to create, and who had two wars to fight as well.

Good job, Don't wipe the brown spot off your nose, many of your friends think of it as a badge of honor.

Did you happen to notice that when banks are saying they want to repay the money back, the government is saying "hold on there now, let's not be hasty. Right now we own you, and we like it that way." You missed that?

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Here is what gets me the most about the whole $1.8trillion argument. Most of the budget is unchanged, and some things are cut. But Lord Cheney and Darth Bush ran the economy so far into the ground and so many jobs were lost, and soooo much revenue has been lost that to keep the government afloat we now have to run the $1.8 trillion, it is an inflated number. Nice job trying to make it look like it is new and outta the blue!!!!

If he continues a spending spree for the remainder of his Presidency, then I will jump on board with you.

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Redress said:

This might surprise you, but I hope you are right. I think having two parties(at least) is a good thing, and I believe the republican and democrats have one big thing in common...we both want to make the country better.

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When did that conclusion get discarded, since it's been clear that for the last half-century, at least, since the McGovern campaign, that the Democrats have absolutely zero desire to make the country better in ways that an honest American could consider being better.

The left is always after more taxes more gun control more taxes more socialist medicine more taxes more foreign policy apologies more taxes more foreign aid to people that hate us more taxes more welfare to the useless more taxes more handouts to the useless more taxes funding for bad art more taxes more money to teachers unions that don't teach more taxes more dead babies more taxes more apologies more taxes more reparations for slavery more taxes more gun control more taxes more dead babies more taxes more government commissions more taxes more regulations more taxes less energy independence more taxes less freedom more taxes more taxes and finally, more taxes.

I probably missed one or two of the things you peole think will make more taxes the country more taxes better, but probably nothing more taxes important.


Any you know, I'd actually agree with all that, if I'd been typing more texas instead of more taxes.

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tlmorg02 said:

Here is what gets me the most about the whole $1.8trillion argument. Most of the budget is unchanged, and some things are cut. But Lord Cheney and Darth Bush ran the economy so far into the ground and so many jobs were lost, and soooo much revenue has been lost that to keep the government afloat we now have to run the $1.8 trillion, it is an inflated number. Nice job trying to make it look like it is new and outta the blue!!!!

If he continues a spending spree for the remainder of his Presidency, then I will jump on board with you.

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Nothing's cut except incredibly minor issues or national defense.

I don't have any reason to believe your last sentence contains any resemblance to a truthful statement.

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Nothing's cut except incredibly minor issues or national defense.

I don't have any reason to believe your last sentence contains any resemblance to a truthful statement.

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Now, now my angry friend. I have already criticized Obama on several issues, mainly on his bailouts.

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tlmorg02 said:

No, I am suggesting that Obama inherited an economy like the one FDR did from an incompotent Republican.

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Since FDR was incompetent like no president in the Twentieth Century was, and since Obama is incompetent like few people ever are, can we now expect, that like FDR, your Messiah will take a limping economy and shoot it in both knees to make the recession into a Depression?

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Since FDR was incompetent like no president in the Twentieth Century was, and since Obama is incompetent like few people ever are, can we now expect, that like FDR, your Messiah will take a limping economy and shoot it in both knees to make the recession into a Depression?

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Are you high? Like Obama, FDR inherited a ruined economy.

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tlmorg02 said:

Are you high? Like Obama, FDR inherited a ruined economy.

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Was it?

Then how is it that FDR managed to create the unique national experience of a recession inside a depression, something never before seen and never seen since?

Naturally, you should also be asking what caused the stock martket crash and bank runs in the first place. Since you're a Democrat, you don't have a clue. The answer is the Federal Reserve, a extra-governmental unconstitutionally chartered agency, did all that damage.

it's taken less than 80 years, but yet once again the bankers colluding with the politiicians managed to muck things up again. And most of the key politicians now, like before, are Democrats.

That ain't partisanship talking, that's fact.

FDR was an incompetent boob who's left-wing socialist economic theories created one disaster after another. The only thing that turned his progress around was that we started building arms for the fun the Europeans were having again. The failures of the thirties were socialist failures, not failures of freedom.

tlmorg02 said:

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It appears even Republicans are tired of Cheney's fear-mongering. After seeing his comments yesterday I do feel that is the only way he operates. I Have to agree with Ridge on Obama as well, there is no need to justify your policy by looking back at Bush's. Let us just allow that sad administration to fall into what resembles the Dark Ages.

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Cheney is just trying to protect his own butt. he is such a pussey that he even has sent his daughter out into medialand to defend him.

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Was it?

Then how is it that FDR managed to create the unique national experience of a recession inside a depression, something never before seen and never seen since?

Naturally, you should also be asking what caused the stock martket crash and bank runs in the first place. Since you're a Democrat, you don't have a clue. The answer is the Federal Reserve, a extra-governmental unconstitutionally chartered agency, did all that damage.

it's taken less than 80 years, but yet once again the bankers colluding with the politiicians managed to muck things up again. And most of the key politicians now, like before, are Democrats.

That ain't partisanship talking, that's fact.

FDR was an incompetent boob who's left-wing socialist economic theories created one disaster after another. The only thing that turned his progress around was that we started building arms for the fun the Europeans were having again. The failures of the thirties were socialist failures, not failures of freedom.

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Since you are expert, how did the reserve cause the depression?

So now the argument is Obama's spending is great because in a few years we'll have WWIII to make up for it?


FDR's policies didn't do too much until helped along by Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito's policies.

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The answer is the Federal Reserve, a extra-governmental unconstitutionally chartered agency, did all that damage.

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This is what History Channel says caused the crash:

During the 1920s, the U.S. stock market underwent rapid expansion, reaching its peak in August 1929, a period of wild speculation. By then, production had already declined and unemployment had risen, leaving stocks in great excess of their real value. Among the other causes of the eventual market collapse were low wages, the proliferation of debt, a weak agriculture, and an excess of large bank loans that could not be liquidated.

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Was it?

Then how is it that FDR managed to create the unique national experience of a recession inside a depression, something never before seen and never seen since?

Naturally, you should also be asking what caused the stock martket crash and bank runs in the first place. Since you're a Democrat, you don't have a clue. The answer is the Federal Reserve, a extra-governmental unconstitutionally chartered agency, did all that damage.

it's taken less than 80 years, but yet once again the bankers colluding with the politiicians managed to muck things up again. And most of the key politicians now, like before, are Democrats.

That ain't partisanship talking, that's fact.

FDR was an incompetent boob who's left-wing socialist economic theories created one disaster after another. The only thing that turned his progress around was that we started building arms for the fun the Europeans were having again. The failures of the thirties were socialist failures, not failures of freedom.

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socialist failures ? the stock market crash which was a symptom of uncontrolled speculation and buying stock on the margin was "socialist". !!

There was plenty of freedom, there was freedom to ignore the economic cises by the man who they named a vacuum cleaner after him because his lack of policies sucked !!LOL

DISASTERS ? STOCK MARKET REGULATION, BANK INSURANCE, SOCIAL SECURITY SAFETY NET, PWA and CCC which got young people at least working and not in position to fall into the hands and claws of real socialist and communists.

What FDR did by I will agree using policies that were called "socilaist" by some people was to save this country from real socialism and worse yet communism.

What FDR did wrong was not to be agressive enough and not coming in and stilumating the economy harder and faster!!

Triad said:

So now the argument is Obama's spending is great because in a few years we'll have WWIII to make up for it?


FDR's policies didn't do too much until helped along by Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito's policies.

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Right, that is all FDR did, ride the wave. And Regan out-spent the Soviet Union, whoopty-doo!

Federal Reserve System established 1913 so

Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Was it?

Then how is it that FDR managed to create the unique national experience of a recession inside a depression, something never before seen and never seen since?

Naturally, you should also be asking what caused the stock martket crash and bank runs in the first place. Since you're a Democrat, you don't have a clue. The answer is the Federal Reserve, a extra-governmental unconstitutionally chartered agency, did all that damage.

it's taken less than 80 years, but yet once again the bankers colluding with the politiicians managed to muck things up again. And most of the key politicians now, like before, are Democrats.

That ain't partisanship talking, that's fact.

FDR was an incompetent boob who's left-wing socialist economic theories created one disaster after another. The only thing that turned his progress around was that we started building arms for the fun the Europeans were having again. The failures of the thirties were socialist failures, not failures of freedom.

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so how is FDR RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ?
"Functions of the Federal Reserve System
By 1913, America’s economic growth both at home and abroad required a more flexible, yet better controlled and safer banking system. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 established the Federal Reserve System as the central banking authority of the United States.

Under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and amendments "

Regan was an Treasury Secretary under President Reagan.

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I'm not saying he did nothing I'm saying what he did didn't amount to a whole hell of alot without the timely arrival of a global War.

Obama's spending is completely out of control and ridiculous. The economic problems went from problems to extreme problems do to his spending.

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tlmorg02 said:

This is what History Channel says caused the crash:

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Wild speculation and buying stock on margin is what casued a major problem.

Triad said:

Regan was an Treasury Secretary under President Reagan.

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I'm not saying he did nothing I'm saying what he did didn't amount to a whole hell of alot without the timely arrival of a global War.

Obama's spending is completely out of control and ridiculous. The economic problems went from problems to extreme problems do to his spending.

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Apology for the mistake, but you knew what I meant. I write these in a hurry. Anyway, I reserve judgement on Obama's economic plans for the future. If jobs increase and new businesses arise, then revenues will as well. Besides, as I have already stated, most of his figures are inflated due to the current, and tremendous loss in revenues, as well as the expenses of the wars.