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Heading to a national park? Now you can pack heat

Blackdog said:
Just wanted to add for the benefit of ADK...

So we should restrict everyones rights because someone may be stupid or psychotic enough to maybe do something?

The majority should not be punished for the illegal acts of a few.
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We restrict people's "rights" all the time to protect the community. My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check. No valid reason to carry. Any jackass looking to pump his chest with his metal penis could get carried away in any situation. i.e. road rage, loud music, "hey you looking at me?".

There are plenty of dangerous places in any big city and yet, for some strange reason the general public cannot carry guns.
 
ADK_Forever said:
We restrict people's "rights" all the time to protect the community. My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check. No valid reason to carry. Any jackass looking to pump his chest with his metal penis could get carried away in any situation. i.e. road rage, loud music, "hey you looking at me?".

There are plenty of dangerous places in any big city and yet, for some strange reason the general public cannot carry guns.
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Listen to ADK getting a hardon thinking about steel penises.
 
Triad said:
Been hiking and camping well off the beaten paths in national forest/parks for mosrt of my life.
Carrying a gun in a national park is a very common practice law allowing it or not. I don't but one of my friends always has a 9mm with him.

Reasons are self evident to anyone who has ever hiked outside the toilet party campsites.
Everything from bears(yes they are real) to absolute loony as all get out cabin fever hillbilly boys.
99% of the time you won't need a gun for either(bears/animals are usually more interested in getting away form a human then near one...hillbilly jimmy is usually more interested in getting drunk or high)
BUT having a gun is better then not having one in the event you do need one.



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As for hiding it within a bill on something else..I don't think that should be allowed.
But it is... so I do not expect one party to follow non-existent rules while the other continuously inserts their crap in troop funding bills.
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We get alot of those in the park near here. The problem is that most of the guys carrying guns are the hillbilly Jimmy types, who then blast away at squirrels. I don't think any one has ever been hurt at the park, and it's mostly a subject of jokes here. Drunk hunters are worse in this area...the gunshot holes in my barn can attest to that.
 
ADK_Forever said:
We restrict people's "rights" all the time to protect the community. My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check. No valid reason to carry. Any jackass looking to pump his chest with his metal penis could get carried away in any situation. i.e. road rage, loud music, "hey you looking at me?".

There are plenty of dangerous places in any big city and yet, for some strange reason the general public cannot carry guns.
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Depends on the big city in question. Oddly enough, the ones with the worst crime rates are where citizens can't carry. The ones where citizens CAN carry typically have lower crime rates.

Anti-gunners are always spouting this hysteria: "Oh, it will be a wild west bloodbath with all those rednecks running around with guns!" They said that about "shall issue concealed carry" permits... and it turned out to be utterly false. About 40 states have that now and all had a reduction in violent crime.

It's an undeniable fact, armed lawful citizens = less crime. Cry and moan all you will, you can't change it because it is true.

G.
 
Redress said:
We get alot of those in the park near here. The problem is that most of the guys carrying guns are the hillbilly Jimmy types, who then blast away at squirrels. I don't think any one has ever been hurt at the park, and it's mostly a subject of jokes here. Drunk hunters are worse in this area...the gunshot holes in my barn can attest to that.
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Well my idea of a national forest/park is Olympics/Cascades...iow Alpine lakes and stuff..not Chicago National Park.

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WASHINGTON — Here's a list of stuff the typical American family can legally carry into national parks this summer: sleeping bag, toothbrush, change of underwear . . . loaded guns.

Thanks to a 279-147 vote Wednesday in the House of Representatives , visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws.
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Whats wrong with that?..other then having it inserted in another bill about something else entirely?
 
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That is gorgeous!
 
Goshin said:
Depends on the big city in question. Oddly enough, the ones with the worst crime rates are where citizens can't carry. The ones where citizens CAN carry typically have lower crime rates.

Anti-gunners are always spouting this hysteria: "Oh, it will be a wild west bloodbath with all those rednecks running around with guns!" They said that about "shall issue concealed carry" permits... and it turned out to be utterly false. About 40 states have that now and all had a reduction in violent crime.

It's an undeniable fact, armed lawful citizens = less crime. Cry and moan all you will, you can't change it because it is true.

G.
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Yeah, they tried this **** when AZ pushed to become a shall issue state.

Also, if this is the one I'm thinking... isn't this for concealed weapons permit holders being allowed to carry CONCEALED in the parks?

If it's not, then I apologize... but if it is.. the libtard anti-gunners in this thread are pretty funny. "ZOMG METAL PENII, GUNS, AND BEER!!!"

The hysterics really are draining. :(
 
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ADK_Forever said:
We restrict people's "rights" all the time to protect the community. My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check. No valid reason to carry. Any jackass looking to pump his chest with his metal penis could get carried away in any situation. i.e. road rage, loud music, "hey you looking at me?".

There are plenty of dangerous places in any big city and yet, for some strange reason the general public cannot carry guns.
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Could you back up this with some proof? Oh wait none exist. Of course as I have already pointed out plenty of examples exist in the reverse.

You have not proven anything other than your opinion is not backed up by any evidence.

Most places that have open or conceal carry have lower crime than places with very restrictive gun laws, period.

No reason exist to tell a law abiding citizen he cannot have a weapon. Also according to the article you would need to abide by the laws of the state.

"visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."
 
Blackdog said:
Could you back up this with some proof? Oh wait none exist. Of course as I have already pointed out plenty of examples exist in the reverse.

You have not proven anything other than your opinion is not backed up by any evidence.

Most places that have open or conceal carry have lower crime than places with very restrictive gun laws, period.

No reason exist to tell a law abiding citizen he cannot have a weapon. Also according to the article you would need to abide by the laws of the state.

"visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."
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Could you back up this with some proof? Oh wait none exist. Of course as I have already pointed out plenty of examples exist in the reverse.
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Before I assume what you're yapping about, what specifically are you asking proof of? I made several points.

No reason exist to tell a law abiding citizen he cannot have a weapon.
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Hmmm, let me think about this for a nano second... oh yeah, how about THE LAW? :doh

"a law abiding citizen" is a pretty broad, grouping. A law abiding citizen could be a whacko out to act out his OK Corral fantasies or a stalker or just someone looking to fvuck with someone, from a distance, with little chance of getting id'd or caught.

As I said before, but you probably ignored it, my problem with this is that any a-hole could bring any weapon in a fed park and act like a... a-hole without any witnesses whereas he probably wouldn't act like that anywhere else. My problem isn't with all people, just the irresponsible "law abiding citizens".
 
ADK_Forever said:
As I said before, but you probably ignored it, my problem with this is that any a-hole could bring any weapon in a fed park and act like a... a-hole without any witnesses whereas he probably wouldn't act like that anywhere else. My problem isn't with all people, just the irresponsible "law abiding citizens".
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IIRC, the change in policy notes that you have to be carrying the gun in accordance with relevant state laws.

So, why would any person legally able to carry a gun in Wyoming act like an a-hole in Yellowstone when he would not otherwise act like the same a-hole anywhere else in Wyoming? That is, what is it about being in a national park that illicits such a dramatic change in behavior?
 
ADK_Forever said:
Before I assume what you're yapping about, what specifically are you asking proof of? I made several points.
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Nice dodge. :roll:

ADK_Forever said:
Hmmm, let me think about this for a nano second... oh yeah, how about THE LAW? :doh

"a law abiding citizen" is a pretty broad, grouping. A law abiding citizen could be a whacko out to act out his OK Corral fantasies or a stalker or just someone looking to fvuck with someone, from a distance, with little chance of getting id'd or caught.

As I said before, but you probably ignored it, my problem with this is that any a-hole could bring any weapon in a fed park and act like a... a-hole without any witnesses whereas he probably wouldn't act like that anywhere else. My problem isn't with all people, just the irresponsible "law abiding citizens".
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I guess you missed the part about "visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."

Problem solved.
 
Blackdog said:
Nice dodge. :roll:
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Sweetheart, if I don't know what you're asking, how can I answer you? Holy ****! :roll:

I guess you missed the part about "visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."

Problem solved.
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Not much for answering questions, addressing issues or using facts, I see. :2wave:
 
ADK_Forever said:
Sweetheart, if I don't know what you're asking, how can I answer you? Holy ****! :roll:

Not much for answering questions, addressing issues or using facts, I see. :2wave:
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I guess reading what I wrote is a little to hard? :roll:

You are the absolute king of dodging questions.
 
ADK_Forever said:
My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check.
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Blackdog said:
"visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."
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ADK_Forever said:
my problem with this is that any a-hole could bring any weapon in a fed park
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Blackdog said:
I guess you missed the part about "visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws."
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ADK_Forever said:
Not much for answering questions, addressing issues or using facts, I see. :2wave:
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I think that Blackdog addressed your statements quite adequately, and with facts.

Blackdog said:
ADK_Forever said:
We restrict people's "rights" all the time to protect the community. My problem with this is that the people carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any of the hurdles someone would have to pass to get a conceal permit. No background check. No valid reason to carry. Any jackass looking to pump his chest with his metal penis could get carried away in any situation. i.e. road rage, loud music, "hey you looking at me?".

There are plenty of dangerous places in any big city and yet, for some strange reason the general public cannot carry guns.
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Could you back up this with some proof?
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ADK_Forever said:
Before I assume what you're yapping about, what specifically are you asking proof of? I made several points.
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I think he may be asking for proof of the following assertions you made:

1. People carrying guns in federal parks do not pass any "hurdles" or background checks.

2. People carrying guns in federal parks have "no valid reason" to carry guns in federal parks.

3. People carrying guns in federal parks are prone to shoot people over small hypothetical disagreements.

Just a guess...
 
Goobieman said:
IIRC, the change in policy notes that you have to be carrying the gun in accordance with relevant state laws.

So, why would any person legally able to carry a gun in Wyoming act like an a-hole in Yellowstone when he would not otherwise act like the same a-hole anywhere else in Wyoming? That is, what is it about being in a national park that illicits such a dramatic change in behavior?
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I see this question has not been addressed.
Color me surprised.
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