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General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel out of

Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

You completely ignored the second half of my post. I gave you credit for the point made in the US having had a just reason to invade.
Iraq had NO such reason.
Yet the US supported them so that they could use the military might of another country to destroy their enemy.
The US would have been quite content if Iraq and Iran destroyed each other.

However, the US could not remain neutral once Iran began clogging the oil lanes with mines. Many Western nations including Russia sent warships into the Gulf to protect their vital interest... oil.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

The US would have been quite content if Iraq and Iran destroyed each other.

However, the US could not remain neutral once Iran began clogging the oil lanes with mines. Many Western nations including Russia sent warships into the Gulf to protect their vital interest... oil.

The US played two countries against each other? Sadly you greatly over-estimate the intelligence of US political and military advisors. Iraq was going to invade Iran with or without US support. But the US, rather than simply protect its interests or strike back, supported a hostile country in expanding its borders. The US used Iraq as a way to fight without fighting.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

The US played two countries against each other? Sadly you greatly over-estimate the intelligence of US political and military advisors. Iraq was going to invade Iran with or without US support. But the US, rather than simply protect its interests or strike back, supported a hostile country in expanding its borders. The US used Iraq as a way to fight without fighting.
You're right, they should have supported Iran after the 1979 embassy attack. :roll:
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

You're right, they should have supported Iran after the 1979 embassy attack. :roll:

Uh huh...yeah......HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?

The US should have:

1)Invaded Iran in response.

2)Moved only to protect it's interests.

3)Or rolled over and played dead.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Uh huh...yeah......HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?

The US should have:

1)Invaded Iran in response.

2)Moved only to protect it's interests.

3)Or rolled over and played dead.

Define Option 2.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

The US played two countries against each other? Sadly you greatly over-estimate the intelligence of US political and military advisors. Iraq was going to invade Iran with or without US support. But the US, rather than simply protect its interests or strike back, supported a hostile country in expanding its borders. The US used Iraq as a way to fight without fighting.
Saddam assumed he had a green light from Washington to invade Iran simply because there was no explicit red light. He made the same mistake in regards to the invasion of Kuwait.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Wow. I apologize for not explicitly spelling out for you what i meant.
I was refering to Iranian military capability.

What capability would that be? Iran has no Air Force to speak of, no reliable missiles, only a large army, which would have to cross a very large desert/killing field just to reach Israel. Is it the threats of the Iranian general that impress you, or do you have some secret information about Iranian military capability?
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Saddam assumed he had a green light from Washington to invade Iran simply because there was no explicit red light. He made the same mistake in regards to the invasion of Kuwait.

Saddam assumed nothing. You stated yourself that the US shared military information with the Iraqi government. They also sold weapons to Saddam. Both legitly and "under-the-table".
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

What capability would that be? Iran has no Air Force to speak of, no reliable missiles, only a large army, which would have to cross a very large desert/killing field just to reach Israel. Is it the threats of the Iranian general that impress you, or do you have some secret information about Iranian military capability?

The IAF is an impressive force. Congratulations. The entire world is impressed. Fortunately, no one cares. The IAF, in the Iranian terrain can do what against the (very large) Iranian Army? They are almost purely a defensive force.

Israel has almost no MBTs and few enough APCs (when compared to Iran). The Iranians are not stupid enough to simply cross the Middle East and say, "hey shoot us, shoot us." But their large ground army could easily sustain a 20% loss on the cross to Israel and still crush the Israelis.

Granted, Israel has overcome vast numerical disadvantages many times, however, these were all purely defensive and on several occaisions due to lack of military strategy by their foes.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Saddam assumed nothing. You stated yourself that the US shared military information with the Iraqi government.
The preponderance of which came after the very real threats to the shipping lanes.

They also sold weapons to Saddam. Both legitly and "under-the-table".
And? Many nations sold weapons to Saddam. His battle tanks were Russian and the Iraqi missile that struck the USS Stark was a French Exocet.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

The preponderance of which came after the very real threats to the shipping lanes.


And? Many nations sold weapons to Saddam. His battle tanks were Russian and the Iraqi missile that struck the USS Stark was a French Exocet.

So are you saying that the United States in no way supported the Iraqi invaision?

Also, your second point proved my point. The United States sold weapons to a nation that invaded unprovoked and those same weapons may now be in the hands of any number of terrorist groups.
Also, not all their tanks are Russian.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Israel has almost no MBTs and few enough APCs (when compared to Iran). The Iranians are not stupid enough to simply cross the Middle East and say, "hey shoot us, shoot us." But their large ground army could easily sustain a 20% loss on the cross to Israel and still crush the Israelis.
Lol. This is way too funny :rofl

The IRGC is going to cross Iraq and Jordan with only a 20% loss???

Remember the "Highway of Death" during the Gulf War?

IAF drones alone could easily reprise that slaughter 24/7.
 
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Also, your second point proved my point. The United States sold weapons to a nation that invaded unprovoked and those same weapons may now be in the hands of any number of terrorist groups.
Are you actually this dense? American arms are everywhere around the globe.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

The preponderance of which came after the very real threats to the shipping lanes.


And? Many nations sold weapons to Saddam. His battle tanks were Russian and the Iraqi missile that struck the USS Stark was a French Exocet.

Lol. This is way too funny :rofl

The IRGC is going to cross Iraq and Jordan with only a 20% loss???

Remember the "Highway of Death" during the Gulf War?

IAF drones alone could easily reprise that slaughter 24/7.

Mobile AA weapons? While no solution, a temporary defintitely a deterent. Also, you think Jordan will allow either country to put military "resources" into its country? Doubt it.
Also your Nationalism is not appreciated. I ask you remain neutral.
 
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And? Many nations sold weapons to Saddam. His battle tanks were Russian and the Iraqi missile that struck the USS Stark was a French Exocet.

Slightly off topic, but when we were first deployed to the middle east, just after Iraq invaded Kuwait, the only time I felt any real fear was when our division officer came in to brief us on what Iraq was like. "Iraq has about 600 tactical aircraft capable of carrying the Exocet." That statement sent a chill down my spine.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Allow? How is Iraq, the new disorganized and almost powerless government, going to stop Iran? The US is the only thing keeping Iraq and Israel from falling to Iran. And if Iran declares war on Israel, the Iraqi government will allow them to pass through. Or the ywill declare war on Iraq and invade the country, and should the US resist the invaision with military force, Iran will claim we unjustly supported a nation in a war against its enemy which has not yet proked us (even though on numerous occaisions they have).

From Romes borders? they came to the borders on many occasions and provoked Rome (very much like Israel is doing now to Iran).
:doh

Yeah right dude, Iran is just going to run right through Iraq unopposed and with the blessing of the Americans and Iraqi troops. :roll:
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Mobile AA weapons? While no solution, a temporary defintitely a deterent.
Against drones? :rofl


Also, you think Jordan will allow either country to put military "resources" into its country? Doubt it.
Will allow? Do you mean like Syria allowed?

Every square meter of Jordan is already gridded. Every road and structure is already in a 3D hologram database.

Also your Nationalism is not appreciated. I ask you remain neutral.
Neutral? I am Israeli. I was an officer in the IAF. I'm trying to educate you a bit here. My Gawd.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Yeah right dude, Iran is just going to run right through Iraq unopposed and with the blessing of the Americans and Iraqi troops. :roll:

Wrong.

The Iranians are going to *TRY* to do that. They will fail.

Also ... America DOES NOT want Iran in Iraq. It's bad for business. Iran is a nation governed by terrorist zealots.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Yeah right dude, Iran is just going to run right through Iraq unopposed and with the blessing of the Americans and Iraqi troops. :roll:

Not hardly. Iraq and the US will both oppose the invaision. Problem is US troops are spread thin and Iran COULD roll right through Iraq if it wanted to.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Against drones? :rofl



Will allow? Do you mean like Syria allowed?

Every square meter of Jordan is already gridded. Every road and structure is already in a 3D hologram database.


Neutral? I am Israeli. I was an officer in the IAF. I'm trying to educate you a bit here. My Gawd.

Your arrogance is astounding. Israel thinks that because its won a few wars in the last decade it can play with "the big dogs." News flash. Israel cant stop Iran from crushing them. Israel knows this. This is why they have threatened to preemptively nuke Iran. If Iran invades, which it will if Israel preemtively strikes, Israel will be overrun and will simply nuke the Middle East. They could care less.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Wrong.

The Iranians are going to *TRY* to do that. They will fail.

Also ... America DOES NOT want Iran in Iraq. It's bad for business. Iran is a nation governed by terrorist zealots.

Want? Im sure they'll stop and consider what the US want, rather than simply smash Iraq and the limited number of US troops there. Granted, their losses would be high but they would overrun Iraq and Israel after.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Wrong.

The Iranians are going to *TRY* to do that. They will fail.

Also ... America DOES NOT want Iran in Iraq. It's bad for business. Iran is a nation governed by terrorist zealots.

I think you are missing the debate here dude; I am making the same arguments. :rofl
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Not hardly. Iraq and the US will both oppose the invaision. Problem is US troops are spread thin and Iran COULD roll right through Iraq if it wanted to.

You give the Iranian military MUCH more credence than experts do. They couldn’t defeat Saddam's military for a decade; something we did in a few short weeks.

I am curious of your historical perspective assuming Iran could run over anyone?
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

You give the Iranian military MUCH more credence than experts do. They couldn’t defeat Saddam's military for a decade; something we did in a few short weeks.

I am curious of your historical perspective assuming Iran could run over anyone?

How is Iraqi military might now compared to what it was during the Iraq/Iran war? Leaving aside the fact that the US would actually do the fighting, just looking at the Iraqi army, isn't it much weaker now?
 
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