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Obama faces down abortion heckles

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Wessexman said:
I agree with you on the heckling but I must say there is no need for the anti-Catholic stuff.

The Church's stance on abortion is complicated and I'm not sure the bolded text is particularly accurate or at least in the correct context, mate.

PS: These teleprompter digs are getting lame fast.
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The comment wasnt only Anti-Catholic and im not picking the Catholics out only, it was anti-hypocrisy so it was an anti-religious comment in general.

However, these anti-abortion views were by no means universal. Based
partly on the teachings of Aristotle and partly on the Bible, the
traditional Christian view was that the fetus was not immediately
infused with a soul upon conception: the male fetus acquired a soul
forty days after conception, while the female fetus only acquired it
eighty days after conception. Thus, St. Augustine (354-450) argued
that there could be no talk of murder when the fetus has yet to
acquire a soul. [2] Based on Augustine's argument, the traditional
position was generally that which stipulates abortion of the fetus
within eighty days after conception as "permissible", or exempted from
punishment...
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Rejection of Pascal's Wager: Abortion: The Roman Catholic Church and Abortion
 
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Redress said:
How exactly do you know that no other president has done it? Can you prove that assertion? I can prove that they did in fact use teleprompters, and will happily, but you need to prove yours as well. In point of fact, how do you know that President Obama uses a teleprompter for every speech?

I do not call him a "great orator". I have said on this forum that he gets the message across, and that is all I expect, so I am happy.

I will repeat that it is the stupid, trivial crap like that that helps makes you guys on the right look pathetic and out of touch, and without any vision for America. Us on the left, we are trying to pull us out of the economic catastrophe, trying to make the country a better place...you guys are getting all upset over what shoes Michelle Obama wears, and whether President Obama reads his speeches off a teleprompter or not.

Teleproptergate is petty and trivial, and it's like the gift that just keeps on giving. Every time you complain about it, we on the left look better...so keep it up please.
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Oh because I pay attention, have a good memory, and am old enough to cognitively remember Carter as President. I don't forget things 2 weeks later.

Yeah the left looks better when their hero looks like he's watching tennis while he verbatim reads teleprompters at people. Sure....:roll:

Oh and I have seen him give as speech without a teleprompter..All I saw was the top of his head while he read it form a piece of paper with a couple pop ups for the Obama nose pose.
Saw him in debates with no notes or teleprompter as well and they proved he's no great orator or even speaker....uh uh I think uh uh well y'know Tom uh uh...


Telepromptergate is a term I have never even heard used except by you. There is no scandal or anything..its just stupid and he is deservedly being mocked for it.


Bill Clinton gave an entire state of the union without using a teleprompter because he couldn't. I'm sure he had paper notes but he dint stand there and read them. Why?..because like every modern President but Obama he knew what he was going to say.


I can prove that they did in fact use teleprompters, and will happily, but you need to prove yours as well.
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I can prove they used a teleprompter(or had one present at various times) too......that is not what I asked.

This-

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Is what we get all the time and it looks un-presidential and frankly asinine.
President Barrack "watch me read" Obama.

Tell tennis head to stop using the Teleprompters. He makes himself and thus this nation look idiotic. IMO he can't and that he can't is what makes any claims anyone has to being a 'great speaker' laughable.
 
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People interruped GWB from time to time. Big deal.
 
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kaya'08 said:
The comment wasnt only Anti-Catholic and im not picking the Catholics out only, it was anti-hypocrisy so it was an anti-religious comment in general.
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So much better.;)

How are the religious hypocrites?

Rejection of Pascal's Wager: Abortion: The Roman Catholic Church and Abortion
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Indeed but it was changed not randomly but through the Pope's decision after much analysis and such. I don't know but I got the impression you were suggesting the church did 8it almost randomly.
 
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I finally saw the footage of the interruptions. I see nothing inherently wrong with it from a legal standpoint, with the possible exception of whether Notre Dame officials want to charge trespass.

I think it was kinda in bad taste in that I think people should be allowed to say their piece, and trying to interrupt and disrupt what some one is saying is tacky. Further, graduation should be about the people involved, let them have their day, don't mess with it actively.

With that said, I support fully the right of people to protest and act in ways I consider in bad taste. The downside of having guaranteed rights is that sometimes people will use those rights to do stuff I dislike. I think it is still worth it to have those rights.
 
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Also, amazingly, neither the incorrect NOR the correct title is "Obama uses a teleprompter". There are numerous other threads if you want to discuss the issue indepth. This is not one of them. Take the thread jacking out of this thread or you'll be out of this thread.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Moderator's Warning:
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Also, amazingly, neither the incorrect NOR the correct title is "Obama uses a teleprompter". There are numerous other threads if you want to discuss the issue indepth. This is not one of them. Take the thread jacking out of this thread or you'll be out of this thread.
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That IS amazing!:rofl

I couldn't tell if the crying baby was a live baby crying, or a tape recorded baby...either way--it's poignant--rude, but poignant, and I think accepting the degree was rude on Obama's part. Maybe not "rude:--classless.
 
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I will say this....if it was a recorded baby I'll give them credit for one of the most intelligent and ironic forms of protesting that I've seen. Kudos on that.

Beyond that, I'll say the same thing I've said with Republicans and Democrats. As long as people aren't BREAKING things I support their right to protest. I also think they're rude, classless, jackasses who care more about shoving their political views on everyone instead of considering the rights and desires of other people to perhaps be witness to a rather unique event...a chance to hear a speech from a national politician, especially a President...who may not really care ALL that much either way about the politics and are simply there for the moment. Its INCREDIBLY selfish and prickish in my mind and while I fully support their right to do it if they remain peaceful I still think they're assholes and I'd have no issue exercising MY right to free speech as well to let them know, be it a Democrat or a Republican on stage.

Want to protest, how about make your point out a bit, allow those that decided to take time out of their lives, a valuable thing for many people, to go to such an event while still being able to make your political views and issues with the person well known.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I will say this....if it was a recorded baby I'll give them credit for one of the most intelligent and ironic forms of protesting that I've seen. Kudos on that.

Beyond that, I'll say the same thing I've said with Republicans and Democrats. As long as people aren't BREAKING things I support their right to protest. I also think they're rude, classless, jackasses who care more about shoving their political views on everyone instead of considering the rights and desires of other people to perhaps be witness to a rather unique event...a chance to hear a speech from a national politician, especially a President...who may not really care ALL that much either way about the politics and are simply there for the moment. Its INCREDIBLY selfish and prickish in my mind and while I fully support their right to do it if they remain peaceful I still think they're assholes and I'd have no issue exercising MY right to free speech as well to let them know, be it a Democrat or a Republican on stage.

Want to protest, how about make your point out a bit, allow those that decided to take time out of their lives, a valuable thing for many people, to go to such an event while still being able to make your political views and issues with the person well known.
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The alternate graduation service in the grotto is CLASSY protest.
 
Re: Catholics shout and interrupt Obama speech

Zyphlin said:
I will say this....if it was a recorded baby I'll give them credit for one of the most intelligent and ironic forms of protesting that I've seen. Kudos on that.

Beyond that, I'll say the same thing I've said with Republicans and Democrats. As long as people aren't BREAKING things I support their right to protest. I also think they're rude, classless, jackasses who care more about shoving their political views on everyone instead of considering the rights and desires of other people to perhaps be witness to a rather unique event...a chance to hear a speech from a national politician, especially a President...who may not really care ALL that much either way about the politics and are simply there for the moment. Its INCREDIBLY selfish and prickish in my mind and while I fully support their right to do it if they remain peaceful I still think they're assholes and I'd have no issue exercising MY right to free speech as well to let them know, be it a Democrat or a Republican on stage.

Want to protest, how about make your point out a bit, allow those that decided to take time out of their lives, a valuable thing for many people, to go to such an event while still being able to make your political views and issues with the person well known.
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Yes, that. Thank god there are people who can say what I am thinking in terms better than I know how to use.

I did find it fascinating that in the clips I saw, the people attending the graduation where booing the people interrupting the ceremony. I did not expect that, being a catholic University graduation.

Felicity, was there an alternate ceremony outside? Had not heard about that, and if that is the case, that is very classy, and that group deserves praise.
 
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Frankly, I think if the student base is upset...and I can understand some there being upset...that they should be voicing their issues to the school they've paid their money to for an education that chose to put someone up they perceive as against the philosophies of the school.
 
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Felicity said:
Yeah...it is. ...And so is accepting an honorary law degree from a Catholic University amid such obvious dissent. IMO, he should have declined the invitation. He undoubtedly could have mentioned his reasons for declining at his interview with Newsweek on the way to Arizona--another contested honorary degree which was not given to him. I think it shows a lack of class, but then again, I'm not impressed with all the personal digs that our president engages in--I think it's beneath the office.
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You are right. It is beneath the office for a President of the United States to accept an honorary degree and speak at Catholic University being that the Catholic Church at one time supported slavery, and whose pope was a member of the Hitler youth.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
You are right. It is beneath the office for a President of the United States to accept an honorary degree and speak at Catholic University being that the Catholic Church at one time supported slavery, and whose pope was a member of the Hitler youth.
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Cool man...Wow...Damn, I'm just so shut up.



:doh:rofl
 
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Felicity said:
Cool man...Wow...Damn, I'm just so shut up.



:doh:rofl
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Just saying, this stuff goes both ways. Obama is hardly the poster child for the pro-choice movement, and the Catholic Church has a lot more blackeyes on it than Obama has.
 
Thanks to both of you. Felicity, I wish that had been more widely reported. I am pro abortion rights, but understand and respect those against abortion. It's nice to see that people on either side of the debate can act in a sane, calm manner. I guess it is another example of good news does not sell.

Zyphlin, agree completely. I felt that if there was a problem with this whole thing it was not in President Obama accepting the invitation(if he had declined, some would have chosen to interpret it as a negative statement towards Notre Dame and Catholicism), but in the invitation being made at all.
 
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Triad said:
Few times I have seen him have to answer or speak without a teleprompter he sucks..to call this man a "great orator" is ridiculous.
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The few times..... He did not use one in 3 debates he kicked McCain's ass in.
 
Redress said:
Thanks to both of you. Felicity, I wish that had been more widely reported. I am pro abortion rights, but understand and respect those against abortion. It's nice to see that people on either side of the debate can act in a sane, calm manner. I guess it is another example of good news does not sell.
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Yeah--I agree--rather, they like to (as Obama condemned) promote caricatures like bloody dolls in strollers.:roll:

Zyphlin, agree completely. I felt that if there was a problem with this whole thing it was not in President Obama accepting the invitation(if he had declined, some would have chosen to interpret it as a negative statement towards Notre Dame and Catholicism), but in the invitation being made at all.
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I disagree--this is TRULY a divisive issue, and ND is a Catholic college--not a public institution. As I already explained, Obama could have come across as very respectful of the debate by expressing his thoughts to Meacham in the interview he did for Newsweek as he flew to the commencement at Arizona and declining the honorary degree.
 
Felicity said:
I disagree--this is TRULY a divisive issue, and ND is a Catholic college--not a public institution. As I already explained, Obama could have come across as very respectful of the debate by expressing his thoughts to Meacham in the interview he did for Newsweek as he flew to the commencement at Arizona and declining the honorary degree.
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I really think that in this country in the modern era(and probably earlier) the divisive nature of politics leads to the attempted destruction of those in the opposition at any cost by some. As such, if President Obama had declined the invitation, no matter what he said, some would view and promote the view that he declined the invitation because of what Notre Dame is. Once the invitation was made, he was damned no matter what he did.

Course, since he accepted the invitation, we will never know who is right here.
 
Redress said:
I really think that in this country in the modern era(and probably earlier) the divisive nature of politics leads to the attempted destruction of those in the opposition at any cost by some. As such, if President Obama had declined the invitation, no matter what he said, some would view and promote the view that he declined the invitation because of what Notre Dame is. Once the invitation was made, he was damned no matter what he did.

Course, since he accepted the invitation, we will never know who is right here.
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I can agree with that. But I'm looking at what reasonable people could understand. As a devout Catholic, I would respect Obama for having more class than the "Reverend" John I. Jenkins. As it is, I think pride influenced the decision and rather than impressed, it seems status quo posturing.
 
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I think the protests in the hall were rude but I find the general dislike among many to someone like Obama coming to give a speech quite a heartening thing, it shows some conviction left even among the young.

We Anglicans in England have someone like Obama as our leader and we don't get half the protests unfortunately.
 
Wessexman said:
I think the protests in the hall were rude but I find the general dislike among many to someone like Obama coming to give a speech quite a heartening thing, it shows some conviction left even among the young.

We Anglicans in England have someone like Obama as our leader and we don't get half the protests unfortunately.
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I really really like that interpretation!
 
Either way works, though my reference was actually to your first paragraph. I don't know jack about British politics or religious leaders.

That reminds me, totally off topic but: is it just me, or are most Americans more ignorant of European politics than Europeans are about US politics?
 
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