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White House: Law only answer for gays in military

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says it won't stop gays and lesbians from being dismissed from the military while the Obama administration works to repeal a decade-old policy banning openly gay people from serving in uniform.

White House: Law only answer for gays in military

When Obama is done it could give a whole new meaning to the term sharing a fox hole. Don't you think private Fox?

Since we already know Obama favors the murder of full term babies and now add gays in the military to his agenda what's next? Oh, I know! A Bill prohibiting law enforcement from interfering in the activities of NAMBLA, or it's members if the child is at least age what, 5 or 6?
I believe this latest manifestation of the lack of morals will invite some very bad things to take place in the military including recruiting & retention problems and could culminate in beatings and even murders.
And here I thought Muslims didn't tolerate such things. Guess I was wrong.
 
I think its fine if gay people want to live they way they do. I for one don't agree with it but as long as they don't feel the need to be flamboyant to me about it they should go about their buisness, im ok, their ok, everyone's happy. But openly serving as a homosexual in the military, thats just asking for trouble. Not only will the government have to re-vamp the entire BMT program to accomodate those who want to serve openly (seperate shower facilities, dorms, etc...; which would cost literally millions $$. You will also have to deal with those who won't be so quick to turn a blind eye and may resort to possibly how they've been brought up which can get out of control quite quickly. I am currently serving in the United States Air Force and can say that I have come across quite a few individuals who's sexual preferences may truely come into question, but if they were indeed non-open homosexuals they were doing just fine serving as such. We as a military have been doing so well with the DADT policy, why in the hell change it now?
 
Gays in the millitary is a very tricky subject and anyone who has served knows what I am talking about. Right or wrong change comes very hard for the millitary and a time of war is not the right time exspecially when you have recruiting problems. I dont know how things are in support units but in combat arms units anything that lowers unit cohesion is not a good thing and can get people killed and forcing a round peg into a square hole will lower that cohesion. While personaly I feel that gays should be able to serve, that is just not the way things really are and wanting things to be that way dont make them that way.
 
Councilman said:
When Obama is done it could give a whole new meaning to the term sharing a fox hole. Don't you think private Fox?
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Not really.

Councilman said:
Since we already know Obama favors the murder of full term babies and now add gays in the military to his agenda what's next?
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Still hanging on to those debunked campaign talking points are we?

Councilman said:
Oh, I know! A Bill prohibiting law enforcement from interfering in the activities of NAMBLA, or it's members if the child is at least age what, 5 or 6?
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No you are just spouting non-sense.

Councilman said:
I believe this latest manifestation of the lack of morals will invite some very bad things to take place in the military including recruiting & retention problems and could culminate in beatings and even murders.
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Good thing the government is not here to enforce morals. But it is hear to enforce the laws of this great nation and provide equal opportunity to ALL AMERICANS regardless of race, sex, gender, sexual preference etc.

Councilman said:
And here I thought Muslims didn't tolerate such things. Guess I was wrong.
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Let me guess, hes a muslim, commie, fascist, dictator? That about sums it up doesnt it?
 
Benzin388 said:
I think its fine if gay people want to live they way they do. I for one don't agree with it but as long as they don't feel the need to be flamboyant to me about it they should go about their buisness, im ok, their ok, everyone's happy.
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As long as you dont go flaunting your straightness right lol.

Benzin388 said:
But openly serving as a homosexual in the military, thats just asking for trouble. Not only will the government have to re-vamp the entire BMT program to accomodate those who want to serve openly (seperate shower facilities, dorms, etc...; which would cost literally millions $$.
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Please tell me you arent advocating treating homosexuals like some second class citizen and separating them from the rest of the populace are you? Why would we possibly need seperate showers? They shower with homosexuals now dont they?

Benzin388 said:
You will also have to deal with those who won't be so quick to turn a blind eye and may resort to possibly how they've been brought up which can get out of control quite quickly. I am currently serving in the United States Air Force and can say that I have come across quite a few individuals who's sexual preferences may truely come into question, but if they were indeed non-open homosexuals they were doing just fine serving as such. We as a military have been doing so well with the DADT policy, why in the hell change it now?
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What is the purpose of DADT outside of segregation and oppression of a particular class of people?
 
braindrain said:
Gays in the millitary is a very tricky subject and anyone who has served knows what I am talking about.
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That's because the military is full of bigots. The military is the problem, not the gays wishing to serve openly.

The only way things will change is to force it on them; and the sooner the better.
 
Councilman said:
WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says it won't stop gays and lesbians from being dismissed from the military while the Obama administration works to repeal a decade-old policy banning openly gay people from serving in uniform.

White House: Law only answer for gays in military

When Obama is done it could give a whole new meaning to the term sharing a fox hole. Don't you think private Fox?

Since we already know Obama favors the murder of full term babies and now add gays in the military to his agenda what's next? Oh, I know! A Bill prohibiting law enforcement from interfering in the activities of NAMBLA, or it's members if the child is at least age what, 5 or 6?
I believe this latest manifestation of the lack of morals will invite some very bad things to take place in the military including recruiting & retention problems and could culminate in beatings and even murders.
And here I thought Muslims didn't tolerate such things. Guess I was wrong.
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Interesting. I see nothing in your commentary that makes sense. It's pretty much all hyperbole. Do you have anything accurate to say on the topic?
 
I'm 58 yrs old, I have had my share of problems with the human race.

When I was under fire I did not give a flying **** about my colleagues sexual orientation, that also applies to my day to day life.
 
Call it what you like. It changes nothing about facts and claiming they're not also changes nothing. I have a gay Brother dying of AIDS and that too changes nothing.
Obama has made his support of late term abortion clear and no amount of trying to deny it will work. He is a proven adulterer and claims to be a former coke user. To paraphrase what Ross Perot once said. If his own wife can't trust him why should we?
I would put nothing past this person who is not worthy of either respect or trust at any level and once he's done all he can to destroy this country maybe then the followers of this person will realize they have been
flimflammed from the get go.
Now don't forget to use the empty headed Jenine Garofolo argument that all the opposition to Obama is race based. Which is another obfuscation and used by the true racists to cast aspersions when the facts fly in their face. Your being Gay or straight is your situation to deal with. Trying to make mainstream and okay in the miltary is wrong and your liberal drivel will never make it right.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
Sir Winston Churchill
 
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Councilman said:
Call it what you like. It changes nothing about facts and claiming they're not also changes nothing. I have a gay Brother dying of AIDS and that too changes nothing.
Obama has made his support of late term abortion clear and no amount of trying to deny it will work. He is a proven adulterer and claims to be a former coke user. To paraphrase what Ross Perot once said. If his own wife can't trust him why should we?
I would put nothing past this person who is not worthy of either respect or trust at any level and once he's done all he can to destroy this country maybe then the followers of this person will realize they have been
flimflammed from the get go.
Now don't forget to use the empty headed Jenine Garofolo argument that all the opposition to Obama is race based. Which is another obfuscation and used by the true racists to cast aspersions when the facts fly in their face. Your being Gay or straight is your situation to deal with. Trying to make mainstream and okay in the miltary is wrong and your liberal drivel will never make it right.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else".
Sir Winston Churchill
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Will we see something worthy of debate anytime soon? Or are just going to continue to spew standard "I hate liberals" talking points numbers 27-31?
 
Councilman said:
Your being Gay or straight is your situation to deal with. Trying to make mainstream and okay in the miltary is wrong and your liberal drivel will never make it right.
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Trying to make gays conform to the bigotry of the military is wrong. It's time for the military to shed its homophobic attitudes and join the 21st century.
 
Councilman said:
Now don't forget to use the empty headed Jenine Garofolo argument that all the opposition to Obama is race based. Which is another obfuscation and used by the true racists to cast aspersions when the facts fly in their face. Your being Gay or straight is your situation to deal with. Trying to make mainstream and okay in the miltary is wrong and your liberal drivel will never make it right.
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So you think that homosexuality will become part of the mainstream if Obama let gays into the army?

I think you've missed the bus...Homosexuality can't get anymore mainstream than it is already. Whatever the army decides to do, be it accepting gays into the army or not, will not stop homosexuality from being part of the mainstream.

Much like how Truman couldn't stop minorities from becoming part of the mainstream, whether or not he would integrate the army. The movement had already begun, regardless of the actions of the President.
 
Councilman said:
Call it what you like. It changes nothing about facts and claiming they're not also changes nothing. I have a gay Brother dying of AIDS and that too changes nothing.
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What does that have to do with DADT policies?

Councilman said:
Obama has made his support of late term abortion clear and no amount of trying to deny it will work.
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I suppose you wouldnt have proof of this would you? I just posted information that contradicts and debunks what you said and yet you repeat it again. LMFAO

Councilman said:
He is a proven adulterer and claims to be a former coke user. To paraphrase what Ross Perot once said. If his own wife can't trust him why should we?
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Again no proof, just more smears. As i recall the Republican contender for POTUS was a blatant whoremonger and adulterer might I add. And that is a fact ;)

Councilman said:
I would put nothing past this person who is not worthy of either respect or trust at any level and once he's done all he can to destroy this country maybe then the followers of this person will realize they have been
flimflammed from the get go.
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Do you incoherently babble quite frequently? If so you may want to seek help. All of this pretending has got to be horrible for an adult.

Councilman said:
Now don't forget to use the empty headed Jenine Garofolo argument that all the opposition to Obama is race based. Which is another obfuscation and used by the true racists to cast aspersions when the facts fly in their face.
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You havent flown one "fact" in this entire thread. LOL by all means oppose his policies, oppose his style of governance but dont just make things up because it made you feel better.

Councilman said:
Your being Gay or straight is your situation to deal with. Trying to make mainstream and okay in the miltary is wrong and your liberal drivel will never make it right.
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Your so hilarious, cant debate the issue so you just blather anything that made sense in your head right?
 
Your inability to debate is obvious and clearly claiming the opposition to be what you yourself clearly are is a tactic well tried by the liberals. I have never said I hate anyone ever that I recall. Remember those of us with an upbringing and faith learned early to hate the sin not the sinner. The hate that is brought forth in this nation comes not from conservatives but their opposition who constantly yell tolerance and believe in it only as long as everyone is in agreement with their narrow minded ideas of right and wrong. They claim to being open to new ideas and thoughts but in truth wish to make everyone a drone or clone. I would never try to tell a liberal how to think because that mean I am assuming they know how to. When it was proven in the last election that thinking for yourself is a foreign knowing what is right from leftist.
 
Councilman said:
Your inability to debate is obvious and clearly claiming the opposition to be what you yourself clearly are is a tactic well tried by the liberals. I have never said I hate anyone ever that I recall. Remember those of us with an upbringing and faith learned early to hate the sin not the sinner. The hate that is brought forth in this nation comes not from conservatives but their opposition who constantly yell tolerance and believe in it only as long as everyone is in agreement with their narrow minded ideas of right and wrong. They claim to being open to new ideas and thoughts but in truth wish to make everyone a drone or clone. I would never try to tell a liberal how to think because that mean I am assuming they know how to. When it was proven in the last election that thinking for yourself is a foreign knowing what is right from leftist.
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I nominate this as the most hypocritical post in the history of DP. You say you do not hate, but you present hate. You claim to be open to ideas as a conservative, but as a conservative you present yourself as completely narrow-minded. You add insults towards liberals, showing your partisan hackery, and all you do is present foolish talking points. Finally, you claim others cannot debate, and then you proceed to present a post, completely void of debate.

Hypocritical. I think that sums it up.
 
Thank you. You have proven my points exactly with your lack of understanding of facts and name calling.
 
Councilman said:
Thank you. You have proven my points exactly with your lack of understanding of facts and name calling.
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And you have proven mine, perfectly, as I said, with your lack of ability to debate, narrow-minded posting, partisan hack comments, and name calling.

Now, is there anything you actually want to debate? Or do you want to continue to irrelevantly insult liberals some more?
 
Benzin388 said:
I think its fine if gay people want to live they way they do. I for one don't agree with it but as long as they don't feel the need to be flamboyant to me about it they should go about their buisness, im ok, their ok, everyone's happy. But openly serving as a homosexual in the military, thats just asking for trouble. Not only will the government have to re-vamp the entire BMT program to accomodate those who want to serve openly (seperate shower facilities, dorms, etc...; which would cost literally millions $$. You will also have to deal with those who won't be so quick to turn a blind eye and may resort to possibly how they've been brought up which can get out of control quite quickly. I am currently serving in the United States Air Force and can say that I have come across quite a few individuals who's sexual preferences may truely come into question, but if they were indeed non-open homosexuals they were doing just fine serving as such. We as a military have been doing so well with the DADT policy, why in the hell change it now?
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So if they keep their gay status quiet, it's okay for them to shower in facilities with members of the same sex? It's only because they openly admit that they are gay that separate showers should be required? Am I missing something?

What I find so strange, and maybe one of our gay members can clarify this for me, is that people assume that because someone is gay, they will be attracted to EVERY same sex service person they come into contact with. I'm a woman, and I am certainly NOT attracted to every male I meet. Why do people assume that because someone is gay, their sexual desires are any different than our own. :confused:
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
That's because the military is full of bigots. The military is the problem, not the gays wishing to serve openly.

The only way things will change is to force it on them; and the sooner the better.
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Clueless, the military is about the only thing that's right in the government.
 
aps said:
So if they keep their gay status quiet, it's okay for them to shower in facilities with members of the same sex? It's only because they openly admit that they are gay that separate showers should be required? Am I missing something?

What I find so strange, and maybe one of our gay members can clarify this for me, is that people assume that because someone is gay, they will be attracted to EVERY same sex service person they come into contact with. I'm a woman, and I am certainly NOT attracted to every male I meet. Why do people assume that because someone is gay, their sexual desires are any different than our own. :confused:
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You have nothing useful to say here, women have separate shower facilites during their entire lives, while men do not. You don't understand this at all.
 
aps said:
I'm a woman, and I am certainly NOT attracted to every male I meet. Why do people assume that because someone is gay, their sexual desires are any different than our own. :confused:
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I'm a guy, and while I'm not attracted to every female I meet, I'd definitely accept an invitation to watch a room full of females take a shower ;)

It's a guy thing ..we like looking at naked females. I do believe this is one of the reasons why these homophobes object to gay men being in the military. They don't want some guy eying them naked the same way they'd eye a female naked.
 
American said:
You have nothing useful to say here, women have separate shower facilites during their entire lives, while men do not. You don't understand this at all.
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What are you talking about? Girls have shared showers facilities starting in junior high school. That's what, about 12 years old?
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
I'm a guy, and while I'm not attracted to every female I meet, I'd definitely accept an invitation to watch a room full of females take a shower ;)

It's a guy thing ..we like looking at naked females. I do believe this is one of the reasons why these homophobes object to gay men being in the military. They don't want some guy eying them naked the same way they'd eye a female naked.
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When I was in my prime Rabbi I would get my kit off don a pair of tinny speedo's and strut my stuff on any beach I found, I could not care less which sex admired me. Homophobia is like religion, a load of bollocks:)
 
Councilman said:
Your inability to debate is obvious and clearly claiming the opposition to be what you yourself clearly are is a tactic well tried by the liberals. I have never said I hate anyone ever that I recall.
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You need not say it, your actions and your words speak loud enough for themselves. Your hate is obvious.

Councilman said:
Remember those of us with an upbringing and faith learned early to hate the sin not the sinner.
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Interesting, i am a man of faith and i learned early, judge not less ye be judged first. Then i learned there is no big sin and little sin. Sin is sin in the eyes of God. So why homosexuality might be a sin, you are sinning just as much as they are.

Councilman said:
The hate that is brought forth in this nation comes not from conservatives but their opposition who constantly yell tolerance and believe in it only as long as everyone is in agreement with their narrow minded ideas of right and wrong.
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Who is being narrow minded here? It certainly isnt the folks that are fighting for equal rights of all people regardless to their sexual orientation. It would seem that you are a bit flustered simply because no one is accepting your narrow minded view of right and wrong.


Councilman said:
They claim to being open to new ideas and thoughts but in truth wish to make everyone a drone or clone. I would never try to tell a liberal how to think because that mean I am assuming they know how to. When it was proven in the last election that thinking for yourself is a foreign knowing what is right from leftist.
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More bull****, can you actually debate a topic or does every statement that comes from you end with "the leftist this blah blah blah. No one is trying to make clone so once again i have no clue what you are babbling about dude.
 
Brilliant response FreeTh!nk3r just keep repeating yourself till you believe your childish remarks while avoiding the facts. I'm surprised you didn't say. I know you are but what am I.

Read this to learn more truths about Obama; Barack Obama Defends Opposition to Partial-Birth Abortion Ban in Interview
Here's a taste.
"Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- In a Sunday interview, pro-abortion presidential candidate Barack Obama defended his opposition to a ban on partial-birth abortions. Though he wasn't in Congress at the time it voted on the ban, he said he would have supported it had it contained a health exception.

However, doctors and medical groups readily acknowledge that the three-day-long abortion procedure -- involving the killing of an unborn baby halfway through the birthing process - never helps women medically".

Just one of his many indefensible positions where he distorts facts and makes up lies to allow what ever suits him including the murder of babys under false pretenses. Facts are not debatable and debating with a mud wall who's mind is filled with half truths and hate who would rather call people with a moral compass that works bigots instead of learning the truth is a waste of time every time.
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