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UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

Lerxst said:
How does this back up your nonsensical statement that Obama would "charm them into being nice?" Only a truly partisan hack would criticize the man for attempting to bring our enemies to the table without arbitrary use of a bayonet. You sit here and try to insinuate that the Democrats or Liberals made this argument that Obama could win Al Qaeda or the Taliban over with kind words, and nobody ever took that stance. You created it out of a speech that came nowhere close to that.

This is what you are reduced to. Broad scale straw man arguments. How about you actually make some comments that are based in logic and reason.
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I am not reduced. Dear Leader did make those mewling noises in that insipid inaugural of his, and they remain mewling noises, nor all your spin and rationalizations will make them anything more than mewling noises. He uses a whole lot of syllables to do the Rodney King "can't we all just get along?" thing.

The correct approach is the simple one. The correct rhetoric is the simple sentence: Choose to live in peace or choose to die in battle. Where the promise of death is absent, the offer of life is laughable.
 
celticlord said:
I am not reduced. Dear Leader did make those mewling noises in that insipid inaugural of his, and they remain mewling noises, nor all your spin and rationalizations will make them anything more than mewling noises. He uses a whole lot of syllables to do the Rodney King "can't we all just get along?" thing.

The correct approach is the simple one. The correct rhetoric is the simple sentence: Choose to live in peace or choose to die in battle. Where the promise of death is absent, the offer of life is laughable.
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Lol...spoken like a true hawk in a bird cage. Yes because "bring 'em on" has worked so well hasn't it CelticLord? Once again, you have substituted your macho tough talk for actually substantiating your case. You are in no way backing up TOJ's or your assertion here. You posted a blurb from a speech in which he stated that he stood ready to negotiate with our enemies if they would accept. Your partisan hackery has led you to try and twist that into some kind of a promise that was made and unable to be kept. You can do your best to dance around this but you put yourself in that position and then tried to back it up by extrapolating to the point of attacking a windmill.

The statement you tried to defend was...
TOJ said:
What happened to the idea that BO could charm them into being nice?
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You failed. I've shown you why. Try again.
 
Lerxst said:
Originally Posted by Triad
Pakistan should demand the USA officially declare war on al Qaeda and the Taliban.
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Pakistan should request direct military assistance from the U.S. at this point instead of telling us to stay out of their affairs as they have been. It seems as though they actually need our help right now.
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Yes they should..in fact they should demand it or tell the USA goodbye.
...But as long as they are willing to fight its their call.

Originally Posted by Triad
That is about he only avenue the USA has left to instill any sort of confidence in its allies that they will not be blamed for the USA bugging out in 2-3 years.
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Oh lord, here we go. Please show me where our allies have announced that they've lost confidence in us. Please give some specific citations on this.[/quote]

Don't be daft.
Please give specific citations of what God told you.

Doesn't take a genius to realize the US cop out run out policies since 1973 harm confidence in us amongst are allies and emboldens our enemies.
Only takes a dip to ignore it.

Originally Posted by Triad
Osama and Omar are more honest and trustworthy to their allies then we our to ours. They instill confidence in victory in their followers. They stand behind them no matter how hard it gets


Apparently you know absolutely nothing about Al Qaeda. Due to it's flat organizational structure there is no leadership, most are independent cells operating on their own within a loose alliance. Osama Bin Laden has been underground and done little more than release video and audio taped messages to this followers. Obama and our Congress stand behind our troops and we have not abandoned any allies. They have a different foreign policy posture than the Bush administration, so what? I'm quite glad over this, Bush ****ed this country with his brand of international strategy. You don't like different, it scares you apparently. Why else would you be blustering on the way you are, with baseless fear mongering and unsubstantiated drivel.
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Now al Qaeda isn't organized and Osama doesn't matter..way to be a hyporcrite. 180


Both Obama and the Democrat Leadership in the Congress have spent over 6 years now doing all they can to lose the war in Iraq. Reid "the war is lost"..Pelosi "its all a failure"..Obama "its worthless." YEARS of such documentation that a blind man can't miss.
Come here and claim those assholes support our troops and stand behind them..**** you.

Originally Posted by Triad
Current leadership in the USA lied about Iraq, Smeared its nations soldiers, **** on its allies, and advocated at the height of violence abandoning civilians to al Qaeda.
If you trust them or expect our allies, soldiers, etc to trust them then your a damn fool.


And you're damned liar.
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2005-2006 Obama, Pelosi, Reid, most Democrats and very likely YOU where advocating immediate withdrawal of all US forces at the height of al Qaeda led mass murders in Iraq.

You wanted to turn out on people being murdered at a rate of 1k-2k a day.

Originally Posted by Triad
You expect Pakistan to risk alot over the demands of an ally that is already in the process of running out on another ally?

Are you joking?


We are running out on no one.
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Obama has set a date we leave no matter what. Obama the Democrats and the left(inc you) have made clear you all oppose any US presence that at al looks permanant.
That is running out. You can pretty it up all you want..running you are.



Originally Posted by Triad
Both our allies and our enemies have seen how easily the Democrats break..with them in power now the enemy holds the initiative.
'We' threw it away.
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Once again you offer up nothing but anemic rhetoric, partisan caterwauling with no substance. I ought PM you a box of diapers.
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Democrats broke in Iraq in the face of al Qaeda mass murder.

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You want to claim your crowd defeatism in Iraq is not having any effect on our allies and our enemy?

This isn't a schoolyard game. Its a global war..


Whatever..minute Obama is out of power your facade of support will fade away.


(I gave up on making the quoting pretty)
 
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Lerxst said:
You failed. I've shown you why. Try again.
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You've shown nothing but your love of mewling noise. The failure is yours...both to prove and to impress. Period. End of Sentence. End of Discussion.
 
Moderator's Warning:
How about I end the discussion. The topic is Pakistan, the crisis there, and the UN's response, or lack thereof. Stick to that topic.
 
Triad said:
Don't be daft.
Please give specific citations of what God told you.
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What? In other words you can't provide the citations and this was more of your hollow rhetoric. Fine.

Doesn't take a genius to realize the US cop out run out policies since 1973 harm confidence in us amongst are allies and emboldens our enemies.
Only takes a dip to ignore it.
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Really? Because they consistently turn to us to provide the muscle in international situations that require any kind of beef. They followed us into the first Gulf War. So, let's see you back up your rhetoric with some kind of citations detailing this loss in confidence. You certainly enjoy typing, so why not actually type something that backs up your assertion? This information should be out there.


Now al Qaeda isn't organized and Osama doesn't matter..way to be a hyporcrite. 180
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There is no 180, you are simply avoiding the fact that I have you nailed. Anyone with any basic knowledge of Al Qaeda knows it a based on a flat organizational scale with no real formalized leadership. It's a loose alliance of individual factions and cells. Osama Bin Laden is one of the spokes persons, figure heads. I never said Osama didn't matter, you're straw manning me in the absence of a true rebuttal. Would you like to have another try?
Both Obama and the Democrat Leadership in the Congress have spent over 6 years now doing all they can to lose the war in Iraq. Reid "the war is lost"..Pelosi "its all a failure"..Obama "its worthless." YEARS of such documentation that a blind man can't miss.
Come here and claim those assholes support our troops and stand behind them..**** you.
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Criticizing the absolute abortion that was the Bush strategy for this war was spot on. They should have challenged it. It's going on six years now that we've been trying to fix a horrible mess we should have never made in the first place. Trying to bring our troops home is not the same as "not supporting" them. You need to get a grip and quit being so melodramatic. They weren't trying to lose the war, they were acknowledging that this fiasco was lost before we ever crossed the border. You cannot declare this operation a success after what transpired. We drew Al Qaede into that region by going in and destroying all form of governance and security and not being prepared for the power vacuum that would result. Oh yay! We've contained the insurgency after six years! An insurgency our actions unleashed. Just because you are gluing the pieces back together doesn't earn you a pass on breaking it in the first place. You're core logic is flawed in that you completely fail at understanding the fact that WE went in with a failed strategy and WE opened the door for the insurgency. This is very well documented. Does the name Paul Bremer ring a bell?


2005-2006 Obama, Pelosi, Reid, most Democrats and very likely YOU where advocating immediate withdrawal of all US forces at the height of al Qaeda led mass murders in Iraq.

You wanted to turn out on people being murdered at a rate of 1k-2k a day.
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I wanted our troops out of Iraq long before that. I wish I could say I wasn't fooled by the war campaign, but I was. But it didn't take very long to see the results that were coming out of Iraq to tell me something was very wrong.

Obama has set a date we leave no matter what. Obama the Democrats and the left(inc you) have made clear you all oppose any US presence that at al looks permanant.
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Absolutely. We don't own Iraq, and I don't want the failed foreign policy and war mongering of the Bush era to strap my nation down indefinitely. You seem to think you are making some kind of real argument here. This isn't running out. This is ending our occupation of that nation and letting Iraq govern itself. If they can't stand on their own after six years then they don't want to, and/or we really haven't done all that good of a job in rebuilding that nation.

That is running out. You can pretty it up all you want..running you are.
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That is hollow rhetoric...cackling you are.


Democrats broke in Iraq in the face of al Qaeda mass murder.
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Blah blah blah.


You want to claim your crowd defeatism in Iraq is not having any effect on our allies and our enemy?
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First of all, YOU are the ones claiming it's defeatism. Secondly, when is the last time you saw the "Democrats" spreading defeatism? Third, it's up to you to actually articulate what effect this "defeatism" is having on our allies and our enemies. You know I hear this all the time from people like you, you get real loud and thump your chest in a patriotic fashion...how about you put this into words. Give me your explanation as to how it actually affects our allies and enemies. Be somewhat specific...provide examples.

This isn't a schoolyard game. Its a global war..
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Wow...I had no idea. Really? A global war? A global war on what exactly? Can you explain what you think this war is about?

Whatever..minute Obama is out of power your facade of support will fade away.
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Yeah that's how it is. :roll:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Moderator's Warning:
How about I end the discussion. The topic is Pakistan, the crisis there, and the UN's response, or lack thereof. Stick to that topic.
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Didn't see your post before I finished my response. Sorry. Back on topic.
 
Lerxst said:
Didn't see your post before I finished my response. Sorry. Back on topic.
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It's cool. I saw you posting and knew we would cross. :cool:
 
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