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CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

ADK_Forever said:
Sticking to the facts... "According to the Pelosi confidant". Seriously? Is this what you call a "fact"? You cannot show me, in all the links and documents and quotes, where it is stated that Pelosi was told water boarding was going to be used.

Now, as to common sense. It does seem that someone would have discussed that "they" were told of this with her. If so, this should explain her actions, to a rational person:



BushCo didn't explain themselves to the Repubs. They damn sure wouldn't be held accountable to the Dems. This is a non issue, a distraction. If Pelosi has filed a report against Bush's torture plans what do you think would have happened? Nothing. Bush and Cheney didn't change their course... for anyone!

What is important here is "who" authorized the torture. Nothing else.

Cheney is getting nervous that his neck is going to be on the chopping block so, he's coming out doing his Colonel Nathan R. Jessip impersonation. "How dare you question the manner of the protection that I provide!" He's going down just like Jessip did. If not legally, then politically by being exposed as the person who forced Americans to torture prisoners.

Watch Cheney squirm. :mrgreen:
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The only one I see squirming is you and your fellow apologists. But, it is fun to watch.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Sticking to the facts... "According to the Pelosi confidant". Seriously? Is this what you call a "fact"? You cannot show me, in all the links and documents and quotes, where it is stated that Pelosi was told water boarding was going to be used.

Now, as to common sense. It does seem that someone would have discussed that "they" were told of this with her. If so, this should explain her actions, to a rational person:



BushCo didn't explain themselves to the Repubs. They damn sure wouldn't be held accountable to the Dems. This is a non issue, a distraction. If Pelosi has filed a report against Bush's torture plans what do you think would have happened? Nothing. Bush and Cheney didn't change their course... for anyone!

What is important here is "who" authorized the torture. Nothing else.

Cheney is getting nervous that his neck is going to be on the chopping block so, he's coming out doing his Colonel Nathan R. Jessip impersonation. "How dare you question the manner of the protection that I provide!" He's going down just like Jessip did. If not legally, then politically by being exposed as the person who forced Americans to torture prisoners.

Watch Cheney squirm. :mrgreen:
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If she was briefed in the interrogation methods, what do you think that means?
 
ADK_Forever said:
nah again. Holder, not Obama, has a legal obligation as Attorney General to pursue and report those lawyers for breaking the law and for breaking their vow to uphold the law. Those lawyers did not simply "provide opinions". They sculpted advice and memos meant to advise their client that they could break the law when those lawyers knew very well that what they were saying was legal... was in fact very illegal.

If this was so cut and dry, as the right wingers are trying to portray, there wouldn't be so much lobbying going on to save their sorry asses.
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Last time that I heard, Holder has indicated that nothing will be done. Got denial?
 
American said:
If she was briefed in the interrogation methods, what do you think that means?
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"Briefed" is the key word here. Nothing I have read states exactly what was said during that one briefing. If you have that info I'm sure the rest of the membership would apreciate you posting it.
 
Truth Detector said:
Last time that I heard, Holder has indicated that nothing will be done.
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Yeah, that may be. That is his choice. I believe it is a political choice. Keep in mind, the lack of prosecution does not mean a crime was not committed.

However, many people never thought it would never get to this point yet, look where we are. Get out your popcorn. The show ain't over. :cool:
 
ADK_Forever said:
"Briefed" is the key word here. Nothing I have read states exactly what was said during that one briefing. If you have that info I'm sure the rest of the membership would apreciate you posting it.
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Go back a couple pages. I provided a link to Pelosi's statement on the briefing she recieved. She was told of interrogation methods that could be used in the future and where deemed legal.
 
Let's see, there was Dick Nixon and Bill Clinton who lied and tried to cover it up. They were both in trouble for that. Now Pelosi does the same thing, will she wind up in trouble too?
 
Redress said:
Go back a couple pages. I provided a link to Pelosi's statement on the briefing she recieved. She was told of interrogation methods that could be used in the future and where deemed legal.
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Yes, but she said they did not say they were going to use them, just that they thought they were legal. Big diff.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Yes, but she said they did not say they were going to use them, just that they thought they were legal. Big diff.
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She said:

Nancy Pelosi said:
'I was briefed on interrogation techniques the administration was considering using in the future. The administration advised that legal counsel for both the CIA and the Department of Justice had concluded that the techniques were legal.'
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So technically, you are mostly right, but realistically, she knew at the very least that there was a high likelihood that they would be used.
 
ADK_Forever said:
"Briefed" is the key word here. Nothing I have read states exactly what was said during that one briefing. If you have that info I'm sure the rest of the membership would apreciate you posting it.
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Watching your desperate attempts to rationalize a defense for Pelosi's OBVIOUS lies is ironic in contrast to the constant asinine remarks made about all the "perceived" lies of George Bush.

Do you even comprehend the VAST inconsistencies of your hyper partisan political views? :rofl
 
ADK_Forever said:
Yeah, that may be. That is his choice. I believe it is a political choice. Keep in mind, the lack of prosecution does not mean a crime was not committed.

However, many people never thought it would never get to this point yet, look where we are. Get out your popcorn. The show ain't over. :cool:
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:rofl So it has nothing to do with lack of evidence eh? It is Holder, a Liberal Democrat, making a purely political choice. :rofl
 
Truth Detector said:
Watching your desperate attempts to rationalize a defense for Pelosi's OBVIOUS lies is ironic in contrast to the constant asinine remarks made about all the "perceived" lies of George Bush.
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Which of Pelosi's OBVIOUS lies are you referring to. Please document it, since as it turns out, her statements and the CIAs claims match up. She was told that these techniques where being considered, not that they had been used. The CIA has not disputed this as far as I can tell. It's a fine distinction, but as things stand now, it looks like Pelosi was honest this time. If you can prove otherwise, I will happily look at your proof, since I really don't care for Pelosi, it might even be fun.
 
Redress said:
So technically, you are mostly right, but realistically, she knew at the very least that there was a high likelihood that they would be used.
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Not "technically". Not "mostly". Just right.

If the CIA didn't tell her "specifically" which torture techniques were being used, then you can't blame Pelosi for knowing which ones they actually used. It's really just that simple. Assumptions don't carry any weight here.

And like I said, it wouldn't have mattered anyway. It didn't have any impact on what they did when Harmon wrote her report on it, did it?

This is a distraction by the Repubs and a lame one at that.
 
ADK_Forever said:
"Briefed" is the key word here. Nothing I have read states exactly what was said during that one briefing. If you have that info I'm sure the rest of the membership would apreciate you posting it.
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It's probably classified and you know it. So stop asking for something no one can provide.
 
Redress said:
Which of Pelosi's OBVIOUS lies are you referring to. Please document it, since as it turns out, her statements and the CIAs claims match up. She was told that these techniques where being considered, not that they had been used. The CIA has not disputed this as far as I can tell. It's a fine distinction, but as things stand now, it looks like Pelosi was honest this time. If you can prove otherwise, I will happily look at your proof, since I really don't care for Pelosi, it might even be fun.
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Nancy Pelosi:

“In that or any other briefing . . . we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used," Pelosi said at a news conference in April. "What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel . . . opinions that they could be used, but not that they would."

Facts:

.....it is no longer possible to doubt that Pelosi knew as of September 4, 2002 that the CIA included water-boarding among its tools for interrogating high-value terrorists like al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah. She knew this because, according to then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, R-FL, he and Pelosi received a detailed classified briefing from the agency.

The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered "EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah." EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.

Capitol Briefing - CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

Case closed, the efforts by Democrats to demagogue the issue of IET's for purely partisan political purposes is clear, it is despicable and it is patently offensive.

This selective outrage does not serve the people of the United States and continues to put our citizens at risk when our enemies see this kind of divisive tactic within our own government.

You can now go on pretending she didn't hear or see what she was obviously told and shown. I cannot willingly suspend my disbelief to that extent. :2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
Nancy Pelosi:

“In that or any other briefing . . . we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used," Pelosi said at a news conference in April. "What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel . . . opinions that they could be used, but not that they would."

Facts:

.....it is no longer possible to doubt that Pelosi knew as of September 4, 2002 that the CIA included water-boarding among its tools for interrogating high-value terrorists like al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah. She knew this because, according to then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, R-FL, he and Pelosi received a detailed classified briefing from the agency.

The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered "EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah." EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.

Capitol Briefing - CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

Case closed, the efforts by Democrats to demagogue the issue of IET's for purely partisan political purposes is clear, it is despicable and it is patently offensive.

This selective outrage does not serve the people of the United States and continues to put our citizens at risk when our enemies see this kind of divisive tactic within our own government.

You can now go on pretending she didn't hear or see what she was obviously told and shown. I cannot willingly suspend my disbelief to that extent. :2wave:
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The key phrase is "were used". Pelosi has stated that she was told EITs could be used, not that they where used. The CIA has not contradicted this claim. Since neither you or I was there, we do not know for sure, but until the CIA can document that Pelosi was actually told that they had been used, Pelosi's words stand up.

By the way, the link I provided in this thread is more recent than yours, you might want to try and keep up with what is happening.
 
She was told by her senior staffer the particulars of what occured and is now trying to use Harman as a shield.


She intentionally lied in order to criminalize and defame political opponents.
She is unfit to be Speaker and should be removed form office as well.
 
Redress said:
The key phrase is "were used". Pelosi has stated that she was told EITs could be used, not that they where used. The CIA has not contradicted this claim. Since neither you or I was there, we do not know for sure, but until the CIA can document that Pelosi was actually told that they had been used, Pelosi's words stand up.

By the way, the link I provided in this thread is more recent than yours, you might want to try and keep up with what is happening.
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You might want to be less condescending while supporting a lying slut. Like she never checked up after 2002 on what was going on; she just found out and is totally shocked. A lying bitch is what she is.
 
American said:
You might want to be less condescending while supporting a lying slut. Like she never checked up after 2002 on what was going on; she just found out and is totally shocked. A lying bitch is what she is.
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I don't care for Pelosi, at all. I also refuse to rush to judgment on issues. If it turns out that we can prove she lied, I will happily condemn her. Right now the facts are somewhat in question yet, so I am holding off.

I can tell you have a hard time being objective about this. I am not sure if it is just your rabid partisanship, or that you hate women in power, but you are really getting carried away worked up over this.
 
Triad said:
She was told by her senior staffer the particulars of what occured and is now trying to use Harman as a shield.


She intentionally lied in order to criminalize and defame political opponents.
She is unfit to be Speaker and should be removed form office as well.
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You have proof?
 
House Majority Leader: Congressional Hearings Should Explore Pelosi's Interrogation Briefing
Democrats will hold a series of hearings on Justice Department memos released last month that justified rough tactics against detainees, including waterboarding -- simulated drowning -- and sleep deprivation.


The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she wasn't informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an Al-Qaeda leader
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House Majority Leader: Congressional Hearings Should Explore Pelosi's Interrogation Briefing - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

That his intent and the Democrats intent will be to excuse her no matter what being obvious is not the highlight.

Its how much the Democrat have lost control of this.
They have lost control so badly that they now have to set up an excuse round for their show hearings.
 
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First link is based from an unnamed source, not proof, though highly damning. Second link is of an aide being briefed, not Pelosi. Your post above this most recent one shows that an investigation into her is going to happen, which is a good thing. I am a big fan of knowing the truth.
 
First link is based from an unnamed source, not proof, though highly damning. Second link is of an aide being briefed, not Pelosi.
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1. The article quotes Pelosi using Harman as a shield.
2. Her senior aide was briefed to brief her. That is their job.


Your post above this most recent one shows that an investigation into her is going to happen, which is a good thing. I am a big fan of knowing the truth.
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Then you would want anyone but the Democrats who initiated this mess to be the ones "investigating" their own speaker.

You expect 'truth' to come out of what is a "reluctantly " forced issue on House Democrats during their planned show hearings based on the selective memo's released by Obama?
ok....:beer:
 
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