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Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

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Allegheny County authorities have charged seven volunteers from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now following a six-month investigation into voter registration fraud.

District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr. announced the charges during a news conference this morning.

The volunteers were arrested on charges including forgery and falsification of voter records in connection with 51 forged registrations.

Zappala said in November his office was investigating nearly 100 suspicious voter registrations, some of which came from canvassers from ACORN.

The group faced similar accusations in other states
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Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

ACORN Members Facing Voter Registration Fraud
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ―

The Allegheny County District Attorney announced today that he is charging seven members of the political action group, ACORN, with forgery and election law violations.

Authorities say the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now registered 140,000 voters during the 2008 general election, many of them were Democrats.

But the Republican Party claimed that many of them were fraudulent.

District Attorney Stephen Zappala announced the charges today, saying that hundreds of the registrants were indeed fraudulent.

However, ACORN officials deny the charges.
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"Other states"==about 13 other states.

This is easily the most overt corrupt organization claiming to be a non-profit/non-affiliated group. Its also has received tax payer money and is bidding on more.
Perhaps the most overt voter fraud in US history(at least since the 19th Century). May end up being the largest as well.

Obama's favorite.... gee I wonder why.:2wave:
 
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It occurred to me today that since this organization (ACORN) has been charged and will presumably be found guilty of some felonies in multiple states, and that they are a national organization, and that they take part in extortion (threatening harm if support not given just like the mafia) that they can and should be attacked and prosecuted under the RICO laws. The fact that they are an arm of the Democrat party leads me to the obvious conclusion that the "party" is complicit in these racketeering activities. I assume that the federal funding could be construed as funds being extorted from congress but they who voted for ACORN funding are nonetheless in support of the criminal enterprise.

Is my logic flawed?

Jim
Downeast in NC
 
LowRevs said:
It occurred to me today that since this organization (ACORN) has been charged and will presumably be found guilty of some felonies in multiple states, and that they are a national organization, and that they take part in extortion (threatening harm if support not given just like the mafia) that they can and should be attacked and prosecuted under the RICO laws. The fact that they are an arm of the Democrat party leads me to the obvious conclusion that the "party" is complicit in these racketeering activities. I assume that the federal funding could be construed as funds being extorted from congress but they who voted for ACORN funding are nonetheless in support of the criminal enterprise.

Is my logic flawed?

Jim
Downeast in NC
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ACORN is one of the major participants in the 2010 census.

Accuracy is their goal. :doh
 
Harry Guerrilla-

I forgot about the role they are to play in the census.

I don't think that census is going to be very accurate anyway.
They either changed how it works or intend to change it still(pretty sure its a done deal) to give direct control to the WH of it.

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Lowrevs-

I'm pretty sure everything you said would stand up in a court of law over normal people.
Politicians get a different standard.
 
Triad said:
Harry Guerrilla-

I forgot about the role they are to play in the census.

I don't think that census is going to be very accurate anyway.
They either changed how it works or intend to change it still(pretty sure its a done deal) to give direct control to the WH of it.

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Lowrevs-

I'm pretty sure everything you said would stand up in a court of law over normal people.
Politicians get a different standard.
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Yea they (the Executive Branch) have politicized the census for party benefits.

I encourage people to only give the number of people in their household for the census, everything else they ask for is unconstitutional.
 
LowRevs said:
Is my logic flawed
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Yeah. Here's how...

It occurred to me today that since this organization (ACORN) has been charged and will presumably be found guilty of some felonies in multiple states,
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Presumably? Who's presuming, you?

and that they are a national organization, and that they take part in extortion (threatening harm if support not given just like the mafia) that they can and should be attacked and prosecuted under the RICO laws.
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Do you have some evidence of this? Please share it with us.

The fact that they are an arm of the Democrat party leads me to the obvious conclusion
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What conclusion is that, that you don't know what facts are? I had no idea that ACORN is an arm of the Democratic party. Could you please provide the statement from either ACORN or the DNC that says ACORN is an arm of the DNC?

that the "party" is complicit in these racketeering activities.
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First prove that ACORN is GUILTY of racketeering, then prove the DNC was complicit in that racketeering.

I assume that the federal funding could be construed as funds being extorted from congress but they who voted for ACORN funding are nonetheless in support of the criminal enterprise.
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You can assume the moon is made of green cheese, that assumption doesn't make it fact.

There ya go, now you know how flawed your "logic" is.
 
Triad said:
Harry Guerrilla-

I forgot about the role they are to play in the census.

I don't think that census is going to be very accurate anyway.
They either changed how it works or intend to change it still(pretty sure its a done deal) to give direct control to the WH of it.
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Do you have any proof of any of that or is this just more of your "logic"?

I'm pretty sure everything you said would stand up in a court of law over normal people.
Politicians get a different standard.
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Harry Guerrilla said:
ACORN is one of the major participants in the 2010 census. Accuracy is their goal.
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I'm not sure what part of that has anything to do with the law but maybe you could enlighten us.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea they (the Executive Branch) have politicized the census for party benefits.
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They have? :shock: Wow, could you link us to that info?

I encourage people to only give the number of people in their household for the census, everything else they ask for is unconstitutional.
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Really? Could you quote the part of the Constitution that says you are only required to give the US Census the number of people in a household? Thanks.
 
Triad said:
This is easily the most overt corrupt organization claiming to be a non-profit/non-affiliated group. Its also has received tax payer money and is bidding on more.
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And will likely get it. Not to would be racist - and could hurt Obama's re-election chances :shock:

LowRevs said:
Is my logic flawed?
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No.
 
Slippery Slope said:
They have? :shock: Wow, could you link us to that info?
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Why would they move the census from the commerce department?
Hmm, its a bit Fishy.

Slippery Slope said:
Really? Could you quote the part of the Constitution that says you are only required to give the US Census the number of people in a household? Thanks.
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The Constitution charges the government with only a head count every 10 years.

It does not designate them to collect an ass ton of personal information on their lives.
 
One might ask the question; "How can any self respecting, thinking, person ever attempt do defend the actions of any organization clearly involved in a criminal enterprise"? But then we have to keep in mind people who benefit either monetarily or ideologically from crime seldom cheer or support the exposure let alone the prosecution of such endeavors.
It was clear before the election this D.N.C. backed group was involved in illegal acts. What is troubling today are several things. One is the Obama controlled justice Dept. It's very unlikely to pursue vigorous prosecutions. And two. Have you noticed it's only "volunteers" that have been charged? Knowing a bit about such things, I personally doubt those charged thought this up on their own simultaneously in many states many miles away from each other.
As has been said previously this falls under RICO and all involved even tangentially are in need of prosecution after all we talking about effecting the outcome of an election involving a person with questionable credentials, intentions, and origins that have yet to be adequately resolved in many peoples minds.
 
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Ignored (as usual) in all this OUTRAGE is the truth of the matter, which indicates no conspiracy to affect the outcome of elections. But of course, you already knew this:

Mr. Zappala said there is no indication that any of the fraudulent registrations resulted in fraudulent votes. Rather, it appeared the workers were submitting fake or doctored registration forms in order to be paid their daily $40 wage.
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ACORN workers charged with forging voter registrations
 
hazlnut said:
When the news media drops the word "registration" from voter registration fraud it turns a non-story about a group called ACORN into right-wing talking points.
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How many adjectives are required to make fraud a bad thing? :roll:


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If, as some pretend, there isn't anything wrong with ACORN, why do they feel the need to participate in fraud? Isn't there anything that democrats won't try to cover up?
 
ACORN comes up year after year from the rightwing noise machine, screaming at the top of their lungs and assisted by the corporate media...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...but has yet to produce one single conviction of voter fraud. It's a thorn in their side and they can't stand it...LOL...:lol:
hazlnut said:
When the news media drops the word "registration" from voter registration fraud it turns a non-story about a group called ACORN into right-wing talking points.
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You wouldn't be talking about that 'lib-rul, in the tank for the democrats' news media, would ya...LOL...;)
TOJ said:
How many adjectives are required to make fraud a bad thing?
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'Registration' is a noun.

Voter registration fraud is quite different from voter fraud, but then again you knew that.
 
BWG said:
ACORN comes up year after year from the rightwing noise machine, screaming at the top of their lungs and assisted by the corporate media...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...but has yet to produce one single conviction of voter fraud. It's a thorn in their side and they can't stand it...LOL...:lol:

You wouldn't be talking about that 'lib-rul, in the tank for the democrats' news media, would ya...LOL...;)

'Registration' is a noun.

Voter registration fraud is quite different from voter fraud, but then again you knew that.
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Yet they are being investigated in 14 states.

Yea they are a great choice for helping with the census.

A group that is having accountability problems.
 
The word "fraud" seems to short-circuit people's reasoning ability. ACORN is clearly not trying to commit fraud, some of their volunteers just want to get paid without working.
 
Oh there's no shortage of 'allegations', anyone can and do make them, but there is a glaring absence of convictions.

These are older allegations, so they should have had time to make their way through the courts.


2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
(note--Here's more evidence of that 'lib-rul' media. Who was that other group? There was only two, how hard would it have been to name the other one?)

2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

2004 The Berks County (PA) deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

2005 The State Board of Elections (VA) also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud.

2004 The district attorney’s office (WI) investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.
 
BWG said:
Oh there's no shortage of 'allegations', anyone can and do make them, but there is a glaring absence of convictions.

These are older allegations, so they should have had time to make their way through the courts.


2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
(note--Here's more evidence of that 'lib-rul' media. Who was that other group? There was only two, how hard would it have been to name the other one?)

2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

2004 The Berks County (PA) deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

2005 The State Board of Elections (VA) also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud.

2004 The district attorney’s office (WI) investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.
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Appearances are everything and when they appear to be committing voter fraud it isn't wise to use them to conduct the census.

If they just have sloppy practices they are the last people that need to be used for the census.

Either way it would be stupid to use them for such an event.
 
TOJ said:
How many adjectives are required to make fraud a bad thing? :roll:


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The point being that it's NOT voter fraud, which is what the cons are trying to intimate. A citizen put Mickey Mouse on a resgistration form, Mickey Mouse did not show up to vote.
 
Catman said:
If, as some pretend, there isn't anything wrong with ACORN, why do they feel the need to participate in fraud? Isn't there anything that democrats won't try to cover up?
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Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Appearances are everything and when they appear to be committing voter fraud it isn't wise to use them to conduct the census.
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This is exactly what the rightwing noise machine tries to do. Jump up and down screaming...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...to create a negative 'appearance' of an organization they don't like.

This goes on every election and nothing has come from it.

If ACORN is ever actually charged and convicted of voter fraud, you won't have to tell me 'I told you so', I'll be one of the first to step up and say throw the book at 'em.


Besides, they're only assisting with the recruitment of the temporary census workers. The workers are hired by and will be working for the government at decent pay for a temp. A friend's wife was laid off from her job and got on as a census worker and she is pleased with the job and the pay.
The bureau is currently employing help from more than 250 national partners, including TARGET and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), to assist in the hiring effort.
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Buckner (census bureau spokesman Stephen) said the bureau received an overwhelming number of qualified applicants -- more than 1 million -- for the 140,000 census taker jobs filled to complete the first phase of the effort. Each applicant, he said, must take a basic skills exam, which includes reading a map and entering data into a handheld computer. Applicants are also subject to an FBI background check, he said.

ACORN to Play Role in 2010 Census - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com
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BWG said:
This is exactly what the rightwing noise machine tries to do. Jump up and down screaming...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...to create a negative 'appearance' of an organization they don't like.

This goes on every election and nothing has come from it.

If ACORN is ever actually charged and convicted of voter fraud, you won't have to tell me 'I told you so', I'll be one of the first to step up and say throw the book at 'em.


Besides, they're only assisting with the recruitment of the temporary census workers. The workers are hired by and will be working for the government at decent pay for a temp. A friend's wife was laid off from her job and got on as a census worker and she is pleased with the job and the pay.
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I understand what your saying, I guess my beef is that their are legitimate complaints.

I think that at the very least their workers have been sloppy with following the rules and for them to assist the government isn't a good idea.

A temp agency would probably do a better job at recruiting.
 
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