Your trite and misguided condescension aside (not sure what brought this on), is John Engler the current Governor? No, he hasn’t been in office since the end of 2002. Are your largest cities in the counties that have such high unemployment NOT run by Democrats and/or Democrat counties?
You really should not speak out of ignorance. Michigan is a largely divided state, with a strong democratic area in the SE(think Detroit), and a western half that is largely Republican/conservative. This is important because the map I linked for you was of the western area of the state.
Now, onto Engler...let me remind you of what I replied to: "they did elect Democrats for decades to run their Governments". Engler was Governor from 1991 to 2003. 2003 was not even one decade ago, let alone "decades".
Truth Detector said:
This is almost as absurd as suggesting that Arnold is a Republican or even Conservative. But even if he were, even the Terminator cannot stop the senseless spending the Democrats engage in the great State of California; a state that over the last five years had an increase of 40% in revenue and still managed to spend $40 billion more than they could take in.
And yet this powerless person managed a standstill with the California congress for months...By the way, Schwartzeneger is a republican, he belongs to the republican party. You cannot decide for yourself who really is and is not a republican.
Truth Detector said:
John Engler was Governor from 1991 to 2002. During his tenure unemployment was at 7.6% and dropping. The current Governor who succeeded Engler since 2003 is a Democrat and unemployment is now at 12.6 %.
How trite that you attempt to argue that Democrats are not currently responsible for the current situation in Michigan and how selective of you to attempt to argue it isn’t a Democrat issue.
Political party strength in Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So what you are saying is that while governor, Engler and Michigan enjoyed the same boom times that the whole country did under a democratic president, and part of the time, under a democratic US congress. Engler should be thanking the democrats.
Truth is, politics is not to blame for the current problems in Michigan. While deregulation did contribute to the crisis currently, that was a bipartisan effort, and not an excuse for mismanagement by auto makers. The UAW also holds a large portion of the blame...thankfully when the UAW comes calling in this part of the state, most auto suppliers run them off(I was glad to vote no on them twice, and we kept them out of our place).
Truth Detector said:
Gee who was President 28 years ago that exceeded this figure? Want to try again?
"Worst economy over 6 months in
50 years". I never claimed that there where not economic problems when Carter was president, but that this time it is worse. Feel free to refute that when you get a free moment.
Truth Detector said:
The way you are using your facts and trite condescension apparently is not serving your cause which was? To support Democrats who spend a nation into a $1.8 trillion deficit demagogue the economy for purely political gain.
I have indicated in this thread, and a number of others, that I am highly concerned about the level of spending this year(and last, and the one before, and going back many years). I stated that comparing the budgets under two different presidents, dealing with two different sets of problems, is misleading.
Truth Detector said:
I'm sorry, when do property values go UP when interest rates are high? Did you study Obamanomics? :rofl
HIGH interest rates equate to LOWER property values/prices. We bought because the new homes that previously we could not afford had dropped in value by over $40,000.00; which in those days was a LOT for those of you studying Obamanomics. (see, two can play your condescension game)
Historical Census of Housing Tables
One can only laugh at your economic assumptions about inflation rates and interest rates; where the hell did they teach that one? :rofl
Truth Detector said:
You think that a 10% inflation rate, which is essentially the LOSS of buying power is making money on an 8% mortgage with an adjustable rate? Come back and argue when you make more sense and have had time to THINK about what it is you are saying.
If inflation is at 10 %, and you are making 8 % interest on money, you are losing 2 % buying power.
Truth Detector said:
I see that reading comprehension is also not your forte'; I stated PEAKED at 10%, I didn't claim that it averaged 10%. Unemployment at the end of his term was at 8.5%.
My reading comprehension lacks? In the table and chart I linked, and that you also link to, unemployment never topped 8 %, let alone reached 10 %. You have yet to show, anywhere, that unemployment under Carter topped 10 %.
[quoteFACT: Unemployment was higher during the Carter years.
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
FACT: Inflation was higher during the Carter years.
Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present
FACT: The term STAGFLATION indicating high unemployment combined with high inflation was coined during the Carter years.
FACT: Mortgage Interest rates were at double digits during the Carter years.
History of Interest Rates: MRC
FACT: the OIL crises happened during the Carter years.
FACT: foreign policy under Carter was a joke and led to the Iranian takeover of the US embassy.
FACT: interest rates on homes are the lowest they have been in decades
E-RATE Mortgage Rates History 1980-2008, National Average Mortgage Rates, Federal Finance Housing
FACT: gas prices are as low in current dollars as they have ever been
FACT: inflation is nearly non-existent
Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present
FACT: unemployment has not peaked past previous downturns.[/quote]
FACT: Unemployment now is worse than under Carter, and continues to get worse...ie, it's going to get even worse than the numbers that are already worse than under Carter.
FACT: I have never claimed that things where not bad economically under Carter. They where. I aid things are worse economically now than then. I have given supporting stats to prove this, which you have yet to disprove.
Truth Detector said:
The notion that the events leading up to Obama’s election are the worst we have had since the depression requires either willful ignorance or willful denial. The REALITY is that things were MUCH worse during the late 70s and early 80s and yet, when Reagan came into office we didn’t see a claim to expand the role of Government and spend us into a monstrous deficit to prop up the economy.
Michigan currently has an unemployment rate of 12.6%. California at 11.2% and quickly gaining thanks to the infestation of idiot Democrats in the State Legislature.
Current Unemployment Rates for States and Historical Highs/Lows
The reality is that things are worse now than under Carter, though it was bad under Carter too. You have yet to show any concrete evidence to suggest otherwise, while I have pointed to a direct statistic showing that the economy has shrunk at rates unseen in 50 years, which is the most direct measure of the economy I know of.
You have also failed to show any evidence, period, of how it is the democrats that caused the economic problems. The economic problems we are suffering through now are a bipartisan problem, caused by actions of democrats and republicans and those not in office. I could play your game, and find all the ways that republicans have contributed to the economic failures and claim that this is all republican fault, but I don't like to play those hyper-partisan games. I will leave those to you.
But hey, give Obama more time; he is going to make the Carter years look like a cake walk.