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Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

EulyssElvisCaustic said:
first rule of debate......DONT try to proove a negative.....

.....by your logic....every human should be shot ....since somewhere in time we Invaded and now OCCUPY regions taken from dinasourars and wild tulips....:roll::roll::roll:
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Chinese should be shot because of Tibet, Turks should be shot because of Ottoman, Europeans should be shot because of the USA, Japanese should be shot because of China, English should be shot because of Canada, Spanish should be shot because of Mexico and Cuba, Germans should be shot because of Poland, French should be shot because of Indo-China, Russians should be shot because of Eastern Europe, ......
 
Voidwar said:
Yawn, its your point, you prove it.
Here was your original posting . . .



Prove to me that Isreal didn't "annex Golan to themselves".

Prove to me that the U.S. doesn't "occupy regions they took from the Native Americans".

Rotsa Ruck.
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Because its officially recognized that Israel occupies Golan? Otherwise we wouldnt be here argueing about it. And considering America is widely accepted as an American country and not a native american country because Americans form the large majority and well, essentially own and run America, and even have there own independance day to show it, id say its safe to say that the US belongs to you guys. Hey listen, your always welcome back in the UK, mate.
 
kaya'08 said:
Because its officially recognized that Israel occupies Golan? Otherwise we wouldnt be here argueing about it. And considering America is widely accepted as an American country and not a native american country because Americans form the large majority and well, essentially own and run America, and even have there own independance day to show it, id say its safe to say that the US belongs to you guys. Hey listen, your always welcome back in the UK, mate.
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All 300M of us?
 
Russia has been occupying Japan's Kuril islands since the end of World War II.

I've never seen anyone here bitch about that.

Not trendy I spouse :rofl
 
American said:
All 300M of us?
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With the exception of redneck republicans of course. Its okay, im sure Russia will be more than happy to have you. ;)
I support the Jews but some people just talk BS.
 
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Voidwar said:
Thats not MY logic, its Kaya's. I was lampooning it.
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How the heck is that my knowledge? I take it your the kind to make out its my way of thinking in a debate because it suits you. We'd be back in the garden of eden if i supported that type of logic. Please, grow a pair. Your making out all this crap happened 100's of years ago. There wouldnt be a dispute on divided Cyprus if we used the knowledge your advocating: "it happened about 40 years ago, and though its an occupation and considered illegal on an international scale, its ok anyway (Y)"
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nevermind...I found a link. I have a problem with the initiative. The Arab demands are pretty well defined. What Israel gets in return is fine but has no fine points to it, leading to the possibility for "misinterpretation". Forgive me for being suspicious, but remember. Back in 2002, one day before this peace plan was, initially, going to be made public, the Passover Massacre occurred, a suicide bombing that killed 30 Israeli citizens. I'd like to see some of the details hashed out. And this is the problem. The initiative from the Arabs calls for the Israelis to agree to this before any fine points are negotiated.

You don't enter a contract without reading, discussing, and agreeing to the fine print. In it's current form, I say veto.
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Oh i agree.
I'm skeptical that the "moderate" arab nations will get the "extreme" arab nations to go along with this.
I'm slightly confused as to when the Arabs will recognise Israel. After the Palestinian state is formed? And what will bridge the gap between W Bank and Gaza? I notice there is alot of Israeli land splitting them both.
 
kaya'08 said:
Because its officially recognized that Israel occupies Golan? Otherwise we wouldnt be here argueing about it.
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Show me a relevant difference between "occupies" and "owns".
Who controls the Airspace ?

kaya'08 said:
And considering America is widely accepted as an American country and not a native american country because Americans form the large majority and well, essentially own and run America, and even have there own independance day to show it, id say its safe to say that the US belongs to you guys. Hey listen, your always welcome back in the UK, mate.
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Israel has parallels to all of this.
 
Show me a relevant difference between "occupies" and "owns".
Who controls the Airspace ?
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First and foremost, i dont see your point. You seem to be dancing around my opinion. I stated a mere fact. The world does not recognize Golan as rightfully belonging to Israel for a reason, because it is accepted that the occupation is illegal. This also has no relevance to the US and im saying that for the last time.

Israel occupied the West Bank in the 1967 war and its settlement activity is regarded as illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this.
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | UN laments choking of Bethlehem
 
kaya'08 said:
First and foremost, i dont see your point. You seem to be dancing around my opinion. I stated a mere fact.
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What you stated was a terminology bait and switch.

kaya'08 said:
The world does not recognize Golan as rightfully belonging to Israel
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The hell it doesn't. Show me one invasion force mounted in the last 40 plus years to take Golan away from Israel.

The world DOES recognize Israel's ownership and control of the area. 40 years of ongoing recognition is proof.
 
Voidwar said:
The world DOES recognize Israel's ownership and control of the area.
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The world just barely recognizes Israel.
61 years and sometimes still it's right to Palestine/the land is being questioned.

It is a occupied territory that rightfully belongs to another soverign state.
 
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Voidwar said:
What you stated was a terminology bait and switch.



The hell it doesn't. Show me one invasion force mounted in the last 40 plus years to take Golan away from Israel.

The world DOES recognize Israel's ownership and control of the area. 40 years of ongoing recognition is proof.
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I would accept Golan Heights as rightfully Israelis under the context that it was done so under the condition there activies in the region does not account for illegal occupation by the international community, that word alone signalizes its land not owned by Israel but again, rather an occupied region by Israel. If they owned it, it wouldnt be considered as a Syrian region occupied militarily by the IDF. Had it have been fully annexed into Israel and considered part of the state and therefore recognized as such by the international community then fine. But no such treaty has happened and so the region is OCCUPIED and not rightfully theres.
 
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Laila said:
The world just barely recognizes Israel.
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Simply false. They have been left alone by the vast majority of humankind for the last 40 years.

The last batch of idiots to try and deny the reality got their ass handed to them in 1967. Golan is Israel, forever, as punishment for Syrian misbehavior. The world agrees, as it has left Golan in Israeli hands, hasn't it.
 
Voidwar said:
The world agrees, as it has left Golan in Israeli hands, hasn't it.
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Incorrect again.
The world has agreed with nothing.

It is noted as occupied territory. Not Israeli territory.
Kindly note the difference
 
kaya'08 said:
I would accept Golan Heights as rightfully Israelis under the context that it was done so under the condition there activies in the region does not account for illegal occupation by the international community, that word alone signalizes its land not owned by Israel but again, rather an occupied region by Israel.
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A bunch of terminology mumbo jumbo that means diddly.

The Louisiana Purchase was part of the U.S. before it got carved into the various states. Once Golan is Israel's it is their business whether to integrate it and how much.

None of this mumbo jumbo ejects the IDF from the Golan Heights, so the Golan Heights is part of Israel. Q.E.D.
 
with all due respect...the ONLY people that Dont recognize Israel is ISLAM and its supporters.
It has a historic connotation back to Issaic and Ishmael...

Judism and Islam will never agree ....and thus the world has "sided up" ....

almost the entire developed world recognizes Israel. INCLUDING Most of the Middle east.....(they just dont want to openly say it)
 
EulyssElvisCaustic said:
with all due respect...the ONLY people that Dont recognize Israel is ISLAM and its supporters.
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I recognize Israel :doh

EulyssElvisCaustic said:
almost the entire developed world recognizes Israel. INCLUDING Most of the Middle east.....(they just dont want to openly say it)
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I can count the number of Muslim countries that recognise Israel with my hand.
Muslim countries = 48
 
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EulyssElvisCaustic said:
with all due respect...the ONLY people that Dont recognize Israel is ISLAM and its supporters.
It has a historic connotation back to Issaic and Ishmael...

Judism and Islam will never agree ....and thus the world has "sided up" ....

almost the entire developed world recognizes Israel. INCLUDING Most of the Middle east.....(they just dont want to openly say it)
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Yes but its the international community that recognizes Golan Heights as being currently occupied by the IDF forces illegally, boss.

A bunch of terminology mumbo jumbo that means diddly.

The Louisiana Purchase was part of the U.S. before it got carved into the various states. Once Golan is Israel's it is their business whether to integrate it and how much.

None of this mumbo jumbo ejects the IDF from the Golan Heights, so the Golan Heights is part of Israel. Q.E.D.
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Its an illegal occupation. The world agrees therefore, by using such words, that it does not belong to them. Israel can integrate it as much as they want. You actually think that therefore makes it rightfully theres? Please. Its all good and well that the Jews are fighting muslims and therefore on the right on EVERY subject regarding the arabs. If they where fighting christians, id take it you'd have to subject yourself forcefully to look at both arguments. Shame.
 
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It makes it Israel's because Voidwar says so apparently Kaya .... :doh
 
kaya'08 said:
Yes but its the international community that recognizes Golan Heights as being currently occupied by the IDF forces illegally, boss.
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And how much difference has all that whining and crying made in the last 40 years ?

thats right, , ,

NONE
 
Voidwar said:
And how much difference has all that whining and crying made in the last 40 years ?

thats right, , ,

NONE
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Well now that there sitting at the negotiating table to meet a historic peace deal, the Golan Heights will mean the difference between failure and success.
 
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