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UK 'least wanted' list published

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Is there a specific thing that Savage said that prompted his being put on the list??

If not and it's just a question of , "We don't like him generally so were banning him from the country," that's pretty concerning that the UK would go down that particularly hysterical path.
 
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Kandahar said:
What makes you so sure that he's totally innocent? The US government seems to think he has ties to terrorism. I don't have access to their information, so I don't know if he does or not...but given his comments calling for Salman Rushdie's head, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Anyway, Cat Stevens wasn't banned from the US due to his political beliefs, he was banned because he was deemed a security threat.
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Yeah but in retrospect that seemed decidedly stupid as well since they never really seemed to have any justifiable reason for banning the guy and they've since lifted the ban.
 
talloulou said:
Is there a specific thing that Savage said that prompted his being put on the list??

If not and it's just a question of , "We don't like him generally so were banning him from the country," that's pretty concerning that the UK would go down that particularly hysterical path.
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Here's a good start...

As for the clipped-haired, mean-faced Demoncats who tell me I'm hateful and intolerant because I oppose the tidal wave of Turd World immigration, I say, Go find another country.
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Had Mr. Bush gone along with Feinstein's request, you can be sure Barbara "Babs" Boxer would demand to be in the loop-in the interest of fairness. I guarantee it, two seconds after Babs put her hands on these national secrets, she'd be on a cell phone to someone in Brooklyn:

You know what I just heard. Let me tell you, they're going to launch in two minutes. Oh yeah, it'll be over Afghanistan... No, I don't want you to tell anybody, it's just between you and me, and by the way, I had my nails done this morning. Oh, I had them done in pink, and yeah, were launching three B3 bombers in exactly twelve minutes but I tell you the truth, the jewelry I bought on QVC, it really doesn't hold up when I go on C-SPIN, you know, it looks a little cheap...
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California, unfortunately, is in the hands of the far-left homosexual mafia.
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You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite. It's not required by the Quran that a woman walk around in a seventh-century drape. She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, "You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can." That's how I see it!
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God abhors a spiritual vacuum. That is why he has permitted, in fact probably not only permitted, but in a way orchestrated the rise of radical Islam.

[...] It's becoming increasingly clear to me that God wants radical Islam on this planet at this time -- that it's not actually the scourge you think it is. What it is -- it's a counterpoint to the Romanization of the United States of America and the West. The collapse -- the spiritual collapse of the West, the death of the West in that regard, is being countered by the birth of fanatic religion, which is fundamentally a fanatic love of God, when you think about it.

[...] And God, who is the center of this monotheistic religion, has said, "Oh, you don't worship me anymore? Oh, you don't like me anymore? Oh, I don't exist anymore? Really? All right, I'm going to show you boys in Hollywood and you girls in New York City that I do exist. But since you're very hard-headed, stiff-necked people, and you don't really believe that I exist because you've gotten away with everything you've done all your life without any repercussions, I'm going to show you I exist in a way that you can't believe." Down came the World Trade Center towers. That was God speaking.
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Yeah he's colorful and crazy to be sure but I don't see anything there that can be genuinely taken as a threat or call to action in a threatening nature.

I don't think either the US or the UK should get in the business of banning folks for talking like a tard. I don't think one could legitimately argue that Savage represents a real threat, promotes violence, or actively incites others to be violent. It's a bad precedent to set, banning him, and a path they should avoid going down; unless they have something more concrete than his usual rants that would justify such an action.
 
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jallman said:
So you are saying he is the Rosie O'Donnell of the right? Nuff said.
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Bad comparison! Savage and O'Donnell may be opposites on issues, but he is consistent in his stance, unlike O'Donnell who is a fool (IMO). I have occasionally found Savage to be obnoxious, but I more often find him right on many major issues that are deteriorating this country. His "borders, language, culture" cry is right on target. Like Jamesrage, I do not see him as an inciter.

While I occasionally disagree with him on social issues, I realize that his preference of what society should be is closer to sustainable than that of the radical liberals who attack him at every turn.
 
talloulou said:
Yeah he's colorful and crazy to be sure but I don't see anything there that can be genuinely taken as a threat or call to action in a threatening nature.

I don't think either the US or the UK should get in the business of banning folks for talking like a tard. I don't think one could legitimately argue that Savage represents a real threat, promotes violence, or actively incites others to be violent. It's a bad precedent to set, banning him, and a path they should avoid going down; unless they have something more concrete than his usual rants that would justify such an action.
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Well that's why I said, I don't support his censorship but I wouldn't raise a hand to defend him if he were being tossed out with the garbage. I especially loved his rant about how Senator McCarthy was "100% right".

And I don't think he incites violence directly or that he even indirectly incites violence. I simply think he arouses the baser aspects of our society and he reviles all the civil aspects of our culture that make us great.
 
Regardless of what any of us think of Savage, putting him on a list with murderers (or would be murderers) and banning him from entering the UK speaks volumes of how far the UK has moved to the become a politically correct state working its arse off to kill the freedoms that made it what it was. Don't worry, UK, the US is right on your heels jockeying for pole position in the race from greatness!
 
Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

talloulou said:
Yeah but in retrospect that seemed decidedly stupid as well since they never really seemed to have any justifiable reason for banning the guy
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The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO.

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and they've since lifted the ban.
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Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...but there are plenty of other possible reasons too. Maybe they concluded that he was no longer involved with Hamas, or maybe they concluded that his involvement in Hamas was small-scale enough that he wasn't actually a threat to the US, or maybe they concluded that the fuss over banning such a high-profile person outweighed the security risk.

I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
 
They will let Islamic militant groups reside and even hold meetings in Britain, the exact ones who speak of killing infidels and their very own citizens.
But someone who has a dissenting opinion, and most importantly in Savage's Case, a stage to speak on, will get banned?
 
Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

Kandahar said:
The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO.



Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...but there are plenty of other possible reasons too. Maybe they concluded that he was no longer involved with Hamas, or maybe they concluded that his involvement in Hamas was small-scale enough that he wasn't actually a threat to the US, or maybe they concluded that the fuss over banning such a high-profile person outweighed the security risk.

I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
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I don't think Cat Stevens himself knows why he was on the list or why later he wasn't. There should be some more provisions in cases like this where the accused or rather banned is given a clear concise reason of why and a means of arguing their case. Cat Stevens has said repeatedly that the whole thing was cleared up by him spelling his name over and over again insinuating it was a typo. Since he was also banned from Israel I highly doubt that was the case. I do think it would behoove us and even the UK to have clearer statements/accusations when just refusing someone entry to the country. It does appear as if you can just be put on the list with little to no explanation and then lifted from the list in the exact same manner and all you are left with is rumor and innuendo.
 
Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

Kandahar said:
The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO

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Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...
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Kandahar said:
-- I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
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There was no threat, he was banned period. Persona Non Grata - however there probably weren't pages on a forum like this by Americans asking why someone was listed and banned. However when others do it suddenly we don't like free speech.

The UK list has been published, we recognise it's existence and I'm not going to try and pretend it doesn't. We have laws on hate speech and incitement to violence that maybe you don't so those on the list are there for reasons that can be justified in law. We arrested Abu Hamza for his incitement to violence and it is since found some of those who carried out the 7th July bombings in London had been to his mosque and followed his hate speech closely to justify their action. The US has also tried to extradite him for the last few years but he's serving British penalty first - you can have him if we ever let him out.

Yusuf Islam / Cat Stevens was banned (and since had the ban lifted) and the reasons were...........................?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Yusuf Islam / Cat Stevens was banned (and since had the ban lifted) and the reasons were...........................?
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Because Israel banned him. He was banned from entering the US because Israel says it has "evidence" of him collaborating with Hamas.. not that it has shared said evidence with the world as far as I know.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
There was no threat, he was banned period. Persona Non Grata
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Because he was allegedly a security threat due to his ties with Hamas.

Infinite Chaos said:
- however there probably weren't pages on a forum like this by Americans asking why someone was listed and banned. However when others do it suddenly we don't like free speech.
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I'm sure there was quite a fuss on this forum and many others when Cat Stevens was barred from entry. And that's fine, that sort of thing should be discussed. But it's NOT the same as the cases listed here. Cat Stevens was banned from the US for his (alleged) actions with terrorists; these people were banned from the UK for their words/thoughts.

I agree that people who are banned from the US should be told why, and there should be an appeals process for those who feel they don't belong on the list. But that's a completely different issue.
 
Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

Kandahar said:
Because he was allegedly a security threat due to his ties with Hamas.



I'm sure there was quite a fuss on this forum and many others when Cat Stevens was barred from entry. And that's fine, that sort of thing should be discussed. But it's NOT the same as the cases listed here. Cat Stevens was banned from the US for his (alleged) actions with terrorists; these people were banned from the UK for their words/thoughts.

I agree that people who are banned from the US should be told why, and there should be an appeals process for those who feel they don't belong on the list. But that's a completely different issue.
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You could argue easily that if Cat Stevens was banned for alleged actions with terrorists (according to a 3rd party btw, so technically it is hearsay), then this savage and the freak preacher are banned for alleged inciting for violence against homosexuals and others. Same thing in reality.

Like it or not, nations can ban anyone from entering their territory for what ever reason they see fit. It is their right. A nation can ban jews, muslims, mexicans, scottish, redheads, whites or people that are exactly 1 meter 60.. it is their right.. we can on the other hand ridicule them for doing what they did... that is our right.

What this is about more than anything, is that finally the radical religious right in the US has been put in the same box as neo nazies and terrorists and deserved so if you ask me. Their aint much between the views of the radical religious right and the taliban.. it is mostly just in how they go about things. They both hate gays, divorce, people thinking for themselves and if the radical religious right could... would love to push women back in the kitchen.
 
rebelbuc said:
Regardless of what any of us think of Savage, putting him on a list with murderers (or would be murderers) and banning him from entering the UK speaks volumes of how far the UK has moved to the become a politically correct state working its arse off to kill the freedoms that made it what it was. Don't worry, UK, the US is right on your heels jockeying for pole position in the race from greatness!
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Oh please, every nation has a right to prevent people from entering their country.
US has excercised this many times and as has many other countries.
They are not British citizens and as such are not entitled to such liberties. Are Non Americans entitled to the same freedoms and protection as US citizens?
If the American radio man wants to spew his hateful bull****. Do it in US where they tolerate that crap. We don't.
 
Laila said:
The names of some of the people barred from entering the UK for fostering extremism or hatred have been published for the first time.

Islamic extremists, white supremacists and a US radio host are among the 16 of 22 excluded in the five months to March to have been named by the Home Office.

Since 2005, the UK has been able to ban people who promote hatred, terrorist violence or serious criminal activity.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said coming to the UK should be a privilege.

Ms Smith said "the public interest was against naming" the remaining six, for example on the grounds it could reveal the type of information being held about them.

The Muslim Council of Britain says the government should not act against people - whatever their views - unless they have broken the law.

However, Ms Smith said granting free speech did not provide a licence to preach hatred and that those banned had "clearly overstepped the mark" with the attitudes they had expressed

BBC NEWS | UK | UK 'least wanted' list published
BBC NEWS | UK | Who is on UK 'least wanted' list?

Banned list - Some of the members include KKK, Westboro church, some fanatics from all faiths, Hezbollah militant and a talkshow host o_O

Well personally, i'm more in favour than against this list.
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LOL@Savage, one wonders how Savage and Wilder get banned while people like Anjem Chodary are good to go.
 
Agent Ferris said:
LOL@Savage, one wonders how Savage and Wilder get banned while people like Anjem Chodary are good to go.
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I agree completley.
It would help the idiot Home secretary if she stripped such people of British citizenship and deported but that would be dangerous and a line too far.

Whenever i hear that man speak, it's like nails on a blackboard.
 
Michael Savage to sue British government

US radio talk show host says he will sue the British government for defamation after being placed on a list of people banned from entering the UK.

Conservative political commentator Michael Savage, real name Michael Alan Weiner, is one of 22 people barred for fostering extremism or hate.

He has described the Islamic holy book the Koran as "a book of hate" and questioned cases of autism.

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | US 'hate list' DJ to sue Britain

LOL

He won't win.
What a dumbass, there is no amendment one in UK and even if there was. I doubt it covers non British citizens.
Good luck tho :2wave:
 
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Saboteur said:
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Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
LOL...

Thee of massive toleration.
And open mindedness.

I see thou art fearful of a vocal opposition.
You Cowards... (just borrowing something from our temporary AG.)

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There's vocal opposition and then there are lies that spread hate and incite fear.

For example:

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My favorite Savage saying: "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
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That isn't inciting hate or fear, it's honestly speaking your mind.

Free speech and challenges of the mental capacity of Libs may be fearful to them, may even seen as hateful, yet these same people who were unhinged during the last 7 years... now need protections from free speech?

Ludicrous.

These same people would have had to have banned Socialist turned unabashed Capitalist Ludwig von Mises. He is the first I know of that stated the socialist mind is a damaged, psychotic one.

Mark Levin says something similar. The Philosophy of the stupid.

All are correct.

Liberalism is a philosophy of the stupid, or a mental disorder, or both.
Pick your poison.

These action smack of Stalinism.
Where people have to fear what they say because of the PC Police.

It's sick.
You may not like Savage, but they guy should be able to voice his honest opinion.

It's not Savage who is overboard, it's the censors and government usurping rights.

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Laila said:
Oh please, every nation has a right to prevent people from entering their country.
US has excercised this many times and as has many other countries.
They are not British citizens and as such are not entitled to such liberties. Are Non Americans entitled to the same freedoms and protection as US citizens?
If the American radio man wants to spew his hateful bull****. Do it in US where they tolerate that crap. We don't.
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Short answer - YES
 
zimmer said:
That isn't inciting hate or fear, it's honestly speaking your mind.
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Savage's statement is a hateful lie and you know it.

Free speech and challenges of the mental capacity of Libs may be fearful to them, may even seen as hateful, yet these same people who were unhinged during the last 7 years... now need protections from free speech?
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That's a non-issue invented by your conservative talking heads.

Ludicrous.
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Very

These same people would have had to have banned Socialist turned unabashed Capitalist Ludwig von Mises. He is the first I know of that stated the socialist mind is a damaged, psychotic one.
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The premis of all government is socialist by nature.

Mark Levin says something similar. The Philosophy of the stupid.

All are correct.

Liberalism is a philosophy of the stupid, or a mental disorder, or both.
Pick your poison.
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My position? Perhaps you should understand what you think you hate.

liberalism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1819
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d: capitalized the principles and policies of a Liberal party
— lib·er·al·ist \-b(ə-)rə-list\ noun or adjective
— lib·er·al·is·tic \ˌli-b(ə-)rə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective

Of course I don 't expect to accept that fact because your weak mind has been twisted by those idiots you pay attention to.

These action smack of Stalinism.
Where people have to fear what they say because of the PC Police.
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It's not the U.S., there has always been this policy in britian, they are just now making it public knowledge of who is on the list.

It's sick.
You may not like Savage, but they guy should be able to voice his honest opinion.
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I agree but here in the U.S., if he is in another country he should obey that countries laws.

It's not Savage who is overboard, it's the censors and government usurping rights.
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That's what people said before an insane Austrian took over Germany a few decades ago. But you're right we shouldn't learn from the past, we should just demonize with propaganda and 'brave words' a set of people whom we don't agree with for the soul purpose of having a scapegoat to cover the true intentions of their party.

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach." - Adolph Hitler

Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.
Adolf Hitler

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew"
- Adolf Hitler

You've got a nice bed fellow.
 
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Saboteur said:
Savage statement is a hateful lie and you know it.



That's a non-issue invented by your conservative talking heads.



Very





My position? Perhaps you should understand what you think you hate.

liberalism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1819
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d: capitalized the principles and policies of a Liberal party
— lib·er·al·ist \-b(ə-)rə-list\ noun or adjective
— lib·er·al·is·tic \ˌli-b(ə-)rə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective

Of course I don 't expect to accept that fact because your weak mind has been twisted by those idiots you pay attention to.



It's not the U.S., there has always been this policy in britan, they are just now making it public knowledge of who is on the list.



I agree but here in the U.S., if he is in another country he should obey that countries laws.



That's what people said before an insane Austrian took over Germany a few decades ago. But you're right we shouldn't learn from the past, we should just demonize with propaganda and 'brave words' a set of people whom we don't agree with for the soul purpose of having a scapegoat to cover the true intentions of their party.

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach." - Adolph Hitler

Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.
Adolf Hitler

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew"
- Adolf Hitler

You've got a nice bed fellow.
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Let's take a look at the Nazi swine who banned Savage.

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