U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanistan

Ethereal · May 5, 2009

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talloulou said:
The only perspective that matters really is that this guy:

has clearly gone off mission and he needs to get reacquainted with what specifically his mission and job entail. If he can't separate the duties he actually has from the duties he feels he ought to have then he needs to be removed from his position.

Sweet, simple, easy.

The Chaplain doesn't have a "mission" except to say that he provides spiritual and emotional guidance to troops. They don't leave the wire, they don't carry a weapon, in fact, they don't do much of anything really. They don't have tactical or strategic authority. Sure, they're an officer, but that doesn't mean ****. They don't give orders, they don't impose discipline, they're just a Priest in a uniform with a shiny thing on their collar.

talloulou · May 5, 2009

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jallman said:
I think it might be a rather sensitive subject for Jer since he was supposedly going into the military and failed to serve his country as he committed to do.

Moderator's Warning:

Let's not go one step further down this path else I'll be thread booting you.:2wave:

DamnYankee · May 5, 2009

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Go to Afghanistan and try preaching liberalism and see how far you get with your head still attached to your shoulders. :rofl

Can you imagine preaching homosexual marriage or some other liberal cause. Like pornography, sex with everything on two legs. :rofl Or even four? :rofl

And the leftists whine about a bible or two. :rofl

Laila · May 5, 2009

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talloulou said:
Obama seems to have done so. bwahahahaha. Totally stupid, but it amused me. :mrgreen:

He's protected by CIA jeez.
No idiot would breath near the man

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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DamnYankee said:
What this is about is the leftist foaming at the mouth over a few bibles being spread around and people talking about the religion of Christianity. It pisses off you leftists to no end. You people come completely unhinged when strict PC rules are not followed by others. Rules don't apply to leftists, of course.

I'm not a leftist. That sort of quick designation is only made by stupid people who have to fit people into preconceived categories for easier dismissal of point. The problem with our MILITARY handing out bibles and spreading Christianity is that it's against the rules of our military. We can not use our military as a militant arm of religious conversion. That is wrong on so many levels, and outlawed by the military. They can not do it, it's against the rules, it's not proper action for the military. The military is not an arm of your Church, it is the standing army of the United States of America. It fights not for gods, but for the American People.

DamnYankee said:
Well, you people really ought to get over it.

No, you need to get over it. You are arguing for people breaking the rules. Ironically enough in your first paragraph you were being all smarmy saying "rules don't apply to the left" and here you are yourself arguing that the rules don't apply and I should get over it. Hypocrite much? You get over it. The military is FORBIDDEN from proselytizing. Read that slowly so you understand. The rule is that the military can not proselytize. End of story.

DamnYankee said:
The more bibles that can be given away, the better. The more people that convert, the better. The more you people are pissed off, the better.

Then send missionaries. You can not use the US military.

DamnYankee said:
We know something is good when you people come unglued. :lol:

You're not doing anything good. You're trying to reinstall basically theocracy, and that's not good. You can not use the US military to proselytize. If you want to do that, send missionaries. The US military does not enforce the will and laws of gods; if protect the American People.

Ethereal · May 5, 2009

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jallman said:
I think it might be a rather sensitive subject for Jer since he was supposedly going into the military and failed to serve his country as he committed to do.

I wouldn't hold it against him. Besides, he's no cream-puff.

Jerry · May 5, 2009

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talloulou said:
The only perspective that matters really is that this guy:

has clearly gone off mission and he needs to get reacquainted with what specifically his mission and job entail. If he can't separate the duties he actually has from the duties he feels he ought to have then he needs to be removed from his position.

Sweet, simple, easy.

That clerifies it for me.

Thank you.

talloulou · May 5, 2009

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Ethereal said:
The Chaplain doesn't have a "mission" except to say that he provides spiritual and emotional guidance to troops. They don't leave the wire, they don't carry a weapon, in fact, they don't do much of anything really. They don't have tactical or strategic authority. Sure, they're an officer, but that doesn't mean ****. They don't give orders, they don't impose discipline, they're just a Priest in a uniform with a shiny thing on their collar.

They absolutely do have a mission to provide ministry to our service men and women who want it. They also have conduct restraints and any goal of converting foreigners in foreign lands while "on duty," would be a conduct violation.

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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DamnYankee said:
And the leftists whine about a bible or two. :rofl

Can you be a bigger hypocrite? It would be tough...you'd have to try, but maybe. You bitch about how the left doesn't think that the rules should apply to itself, and now you're trying to excuse yourself from the rules only because it supports your cause. Jesus. The rule is the military can not proselytize. That's the law, those who have broken it can be punished.

jallman · May 5, 2009

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Jerry said:
You post is a violation of forum rule 6. I was just pointing that out.

Perhaps if you explained what you think I missed, since I did civilly ask for what I missed, that would be a more helpful post.

Just as I thought. You don't have a clue what you are talking about and your mod envy is making it hard for you to sit still.

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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kaya'08 said:
Yeah...and? If they cannot support and uphold the basic human rights laws, then we have no need to worry about caring about there sovereign. And thats pretty stupid talking about sovereign considering we up and down there arse occupying there own country. That doesnt sound like sovereign to me.

We don't have a whole lot of respect for the sovereignty of others. My comment I guess was more based on principle.

talloulou · May 5, 2009

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Moderator's Warning:

Jallman and Jerry quit it. I mean it. No more. You're crapping up the thread.

Laila · May 5, 2009

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kaya'08 said:
Yeah...and? If they cannot support and uphold the basic human rights laws, then we have no need to worry about caring about there sovereign. And thats pretty stupid talking about sovereign considering we up and down there arse occupying there own country. That doesnt sound like sovereign to me.

I dislike attitudes like this sometimes.
It has the high and mighty feel behind it.
Its the idea that the only way is our way.

I don't care what the Afghans human rights record are, hell. I don't care what they do to their people.
Lets finish the job we have been dragged in to do and get the hell out that god forsaken country before we lose more soldiers.

Ethereal · May 5, 2009

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talloulou said:
They absolutely do have a mission to provide ministry to our service men and women who want it. They also have conduct restraints and any goal of converting foreigners in foreign lands while "on duty," would be a conduct violation.

Yes, I said as much in my post. What I'm trying to tell everyone is that Chaplains have no real authority. Sure, they can suggest (which is different than issuing an order) to the troops that they hand out Bibles, but that doesn’t mean the troops have to listen. The Chaplain doesn't set policy, he doesn't formulate strategy, he just comes around every so often and interrupts our free time.

By all means, discipline the idiot Chaplain, but let's not pretend there is some concerted effort by the US military to convert Muslims. Troops just want to eat, sleep, and jerk off. Handing out Bibles is not something they give a damn about.

Shewter · May 5, 2009

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winston53660 said:
LOL I'm gonna have a fag too then a drink after going to the library.

First Laila now you!?!

WTF Jallman is converting now!?!?!

DamnYankee · May 5, 2009

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Ikari said:
I'm not a leftist.

Libertarian, leftist, whatever. You people are more leftist than not. Which is too bad actually. Libertarians have some good ideas.

You're not doing anything good. You're trying to reinstall basically theocracy, and that's not good.

Prove it. So, Afghan society is so fragile they cannot stand up against a few bibles? Really?

You can not use the US military to proselytize. If you want to do that, send missionaries.

Good idea! US military handing out a few bibles AND missionaries, cool. :rofl

Laila · May 5, 2009

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Shewter said:
First Laila now you!?!

WTF Jallman is converting now!?!?!

It was bound to happen sometime ....

DamnYankee · May 5, 2009

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Ikari said:
Can you be a bigger hypocrite? It would be tough...you'd have to try, but maybe. You bitch about how the left doesn't think that the rules should apply to itself, and now you're trying to excuse yourself from the rules only because it supports your cause. Jesus. The rule is the military can not proselytize. That's the law, those who have broken it can be punished.

I wasn't bitching. I was making a point. A valid point at that. Having said that, I haven't violated any military rule because I am not in the military. Therefore, I am not a hypocrite.

talloulou · May 5, 2009

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Ethereal said:
Yes, I said as much in my post. What I'm trying to tell everyone is that Chaplains have no real authority. Sure, they can suggest (which is different than issuing an order) to the troops that they hand out Bibles, but that doesn’t mean the troops have to listen. The Chaplain doesn't set policy, he doesn't formulate strategy, he just comes around every so often and interrupts our free time.

By all means, discipline the idiot Chaplain, but let's not pretend there is some concerted effort by the US military to convert Muslims. Troops just want to eat, sleep, and jerk off. Handing out Bibles is not something they give a damn about.

Agreed. And our Chaplains don't even carry weapons do they? So the gun in one hand with the bible in another was facetious.

Ethereal · May 5, 2009

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talloulou said:
Agreed. And our Chaplains don't even carry weapons do they? So the gun in one hand with the bible in another was facetious.

No, they do not carry weapons. They barely even leave the wire. They mostly sit inside an air-conditioned office and eat at the chow hall every day. Every two months or so they'll come out to our COP (combat outpost) and talk nonsense to us. We roll our eyes, look at our watches, and think about tits and beer. When he leaves, we make fun of him and go back to whatever it is we were doing. Nobody is handing out any god damned Bibles, and if they are they're doing it on an extremely limited scale in total secrecy.

No squad leader or team leader in his right mind gives a **** about handing out Bibles and they certainly wouldn't let one of their Marines or Soldiers do it during a ****ing combat patrol. The only people we're looking to convert are terrorists...from alive to dead.

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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DamnYankee said:
Prove it. So, Afghan society is so fragile they cannot stand up against a few bibles? Really?

That's not the point. The point is that you're endorsing illegal military practices.

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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DamnYankee said:
I wasn't bitching. I was making a point. A valid point at that. Having said that, I haven't violated any military rule because I am not in the military. Therefore, I am not a hypocrite.

There's another word I'm thinking of for you. You're endorsing illegal actions, end of story. You don't see anything wrong with the illegal activities you endorse. That's it. Hypocrisy defined. You want to claim the left doesn't want to be held by rules, and here you come saying that proselytizing through the military is ok when it is very much illegal. You're looking to remove your side from the rules, the same thing you blanket blamed the left for doing. That's hypocrisy.

DamnYankee · May 5, 2009

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Ikari said:
That's not the point. The point is that you're endorsing illegal military practices.

Prove it!

You are making some very broad assumptions that Al Jeezer, or whatever, is right! What if they are wrong! What if, just IF, they are completely full of crap!

What IF giving a bible IS NOT preaching, as much as the leftists want it to be! What IF it is actually giving a gift?

Why do you people automatically ASSUME the US military are the bad guys AND NOT the good guys?

Dav · May 5, 2009

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As long as they're not forcibly making Muslims become Christian I label this with a big fat "Who cares".

Ikari · May 5, 2009

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DamnYankee said:
Prove it!

You are making some very broad assumptions that Al Jeezer, or whatever, is right! What if they are wrong! What if, just IF, they are completely full of crap!

What IF giving a bible IS NOT preaching, as much as the leftists want it to be! What IF it is actually giving a gift?

Why do you people automatically ASSUME the US military are the bad guys AND NOT the good guys?

A gift is giving water to people in a village, or shoes or something like that. Bible is religious, bible is proselytizing. That is illegal, those whom engaged in it should be punished.

No one assumes the US military is bad, people simply want appropriate action by our military. People with religious agenda seem to have problem with that. If you want to hand out bibles, send missionaries. Do not use the military.