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U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanistan

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How dare you? That was a pretty despicable thing to say. Just when I thought my opinion of you could not get any lower. :doh

But did you have anything to say about the points he made in his post or was this just a chance for you to ad hom the thread to death?
How dare I what? Dispute his world view? EGADS!

I had plenty to say about the post. The post being his world view. I didn't say he was a neanderthal, I said his position is. He is a Gunnery Sgt. not a Commissioned Officer, thereby making his position in the military a subservient one. He carries out orders he doesn't make them... well important ones anyway.
 
Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

How dare I what? Dispute his world view? EGADS!

I had plenty to say about the post. The post being his world view. I didn't say he was a neanderthal, I said his position is. He is a Gunnery Sgt. not a Commissioned Officer, thereby making his position in the military a subservient one. He carries out orders he doesn't make them... well important ones anyway.

I just found the whole thing condescending and highly insulting. And for you to attempt to play innocent when you know exactly what you did is just...pathetic. You could at least own it when you act like a jackass instead of playing dumb about it.
 
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I just found the whole thing condescending and highly insulting. And for you to attempt to play innocent when you know exactly what you did is just...pathetic. You could at least own it when you act like a jackass instead of playing dumb about it.
The funny thing is that, how you feel about my post is pretty much how I feel about his.
 
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What a long winded and completely ignorant ....


You prove my point in Post #445. You simply seek argument rather than discussion, which makes your contributions here a waste of every body's time and why I don't waste too much time entertaining you. You call me ignorant, yet I have been a part of UN mission's to see the UN's uselessness up close and been part of missions intimate to foriegn militaries on more than a few occassions. I have been a part of a higher echelon intel unit and provided the COMM support to see the information delivered. You make no points that you haven't discovered from the spoon fed media, which leaves you at a disadvantage when looking to express an opinion on anything thsat might require actual book reading. You don't attempt to understand anything that might make your comforts of illusion a little grey. And your complete disregard for anything not pro-Democrat leaves you at complete disadvantages to understand greater things.

And even with the large amount of friction you incur from member to member, you will still parade about as if you have a stage to stand upon as if everybody else is "ignorant"...or "idiotic"....or any of the other insultive words you cling to. And you were an officer? You behave like a Private still trying to discover the military.
 
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You prove my point in Post #445. You simply seek argument rather than discussion, which makes your contributions here a waste of every body's time and why I don't waste too much time entertaining you. You call me ignorant, yet I have been a part of UN mission's to see the UN's uselessness up close and been part of missions intimate to foriegn militaries on more than a few occassions. I have been a part of a higher echelon intel unit and provided the COMM support to see the information delivered. You make no points that you haven't discovered from the spoon fed media, which leaves you at a disadvantage when looking to express an opinion on anything thsat might require actual book reading. You don't attempt to understand anything that might make your comforts of illusion a little grey. And your complete disregard for anything not pro-Democrat leaves you at complete disadvantages to understand greater things.

And even with the large amount of friction you incur from member to member, you will still parade about as if you have a stage to stand upon as if everybody else is "ignorant"...or "idiotic"....or any of the other insultive words you cling to. And you were an officer? You behave like a Private still trying to discover the military.

That drivel you crapped out is in no way a primer for discussion. I really could give 2 ****s if all you neocons attack everything I say. That doesn't make you/them correct. You generate a lot of friction from the lefties here so I guess I could say the same about you, eh?

Boo hoo... stop picking on me...
 
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But, let me say that I would rather have your type in subservient positions in the military where you can't do much harm, than to have you in a position to advance your barbaric view of the world. The military needs pitbulls and you couldn't do your job if you had a modern mentality. Semper Fi.



Wow. Some non serving type one who wouldn't attacks one who did like this?


To bad this is upstairs.


Pathetic.



oderint dum metuant
 
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That drivel you crapped out is in no way a primer for discussion. I really could give 2 ****s if all you neocons attack everything I say. That doesn't make you/them correct. You generate a lot of friction from the lefties here so I guess I could say the same about you, eh?

Boo hoo... stop picking on me...





You are so full of fail, it's pathetic. Do you call everyone you disagree with a "neocon"?


Gunny, has been highy critical of Bush, and the "neocon" agenda. Please.
 
Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

Wow. Some non serving type one who wouldn't attacks one who did like this?


To bad this is upstairs.


Pathetic.



oderint dum metuant

Take your meds before you try making a coherent sentence.

Quoting Caligula doesn't do much for you either...
 
Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

You are so full of fail, it's pathetic. Do you call everyone you disagree with a "neocon"?


Gunny, has been highy critical of Bush, and the "neocon" agenda. Please.
Being critical of lil shrub is easy, he is such a bumbling fool. But a neocon is exactly what Gunny is and his rants would be well received in front of a crowd at the AEI or JINSA.
 
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I'M TELLIN MOMMY!!!! :lol: Awww... did someone not get picked for hall monitor today?

Not it at all...it's just that some of us get tired of watching you **** up every thread by defauting to "asshole" in every post you make. :shrug:

So either you will stop being a jerk or you will be reported into a little vacay. :2wave:
 
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Not it at all...it's just that some of us get tired of watching you **** up every thread by defauting to "asshole" in every post you make. :shrug:

So either you will stop being a jerk or you will be reported into a little vacay. :2wave:
Kettle meet pot.

Funny, I thought it was you simply stalking me but it seems like you just think that getting rid of your opponents is easier than debating them. Nobody asked you to step in and cry in Gunny's place so who is the real person ****ing up threads? :2wave:
 
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Kettle meet pot.

Funny, I thought it was you simply stalking me but it seems like you just think that getting rid of your opponents is easier than debating them. Nobody asked you to step in and cry in Gunny's place so who is the real person ****ing up threads? :2wave:

Reported.....
 
Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

Being critical of lil shrub is easy, he is such a bumbling fool. But a neocon is exactly what Gunny is and his rants would be well received in front of a crowd at the AEI or JINSA.



:lol: Bush ain't the prez anymore. And your schtick of calling anyone who disagrees with you a "neocon" is laughable. But whatev. I think I am going to start calling you a commie.


How about that? Would you like that? Or would you get all upset about it.


How about it. I have no issues giving you exactly what you give. :lol:


Take your meds before you try making a coherent sentence.


Perhaps you should scale back on yours. My sentence was quite clear. :lol:


Quoting Caligula doesn't do much for you either...


You fear, and you hate. blindly, you have no solid foundation but simply latch onto daily kos talking points to facilitate the thinking for you. :2wave:
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Cease the personal attacks and the responses to personal attacks. Being a vigilante will get you no leeway, but it may get you thread banned. Some folks have already received infractions. Enough, people.
 
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This is a case in which nothing ever happened as it was implied in the video. The missionary avocation of evangelicals is annoyingly persistant no matter what their responsibilities are, but according the military spokesperson, these holy roller soldiers were cut short because the commanding officer properly squelched that kind of activity.

According to the Huffington post: "That specific case involved a soldier who brought in a donation of translated Bibles that were sent to his personal address by his home church. He showed them to the group and the chaplain explained that he cannot distribute them," said Major Jennifer Willis. "...the soldier understood that if he distributed them he would be in violation of general order 1, and he would be subject to punishment."
 
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That drivel you crapped out is in no way a primer for discussion. I really could give 2 ****s if all you neocons .........

The truth is that NeoCons can be dangerous without wisdom being the guide. And the fact is that their global views can be just as dangerous as the Global Left's. But the meaning of "NeoCon" continues to confuse you.

- "New" conservatives initially approached NeoConservatism from the political left. The forerunners of neoconservatism were often liberals or socialists who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal.

- During the Carter years the "NeoCons" became disenfranchised with the Democratic Party, which was reflecting less and less upon the "liberal" idea. They saw Reagan as their champion and became Republicans.

- During the first presidential campaign in the post-Cold War, Clinton made attempts to bring the NeoCon back into the fold by promising to re-define America's role in the world. Riding the backs of the worn out underfunded and undertrained military from one crisis to the next (Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo), the NeoCons saw this vision emerging. And even though they continued to criticize Clinton for continuing the UN/Cold War-esque mission of containing Hussein rather than disposing of him, they were generally pleased with the attempt to establish a new global influencing path for America's power.

Individuals like Wolfewitz and Rumsfeld applauded the mission to contain Hussein rather than behave as we preach in the 90's. They broke from the NeoCon agenda and behaved more along the lines of your kind of people. But by the end, Clinton was doing everything possible to get rid of Hussein while men like Rumsfeld clung to Party slavery and criticized the UN mission as if Clinton began it and they didn't initially support it.

You continue to define things as if history began the moment American troops crossed the Iraqi border and accuse anybody who doesn't place the Bush administration on complete and utter continual blast, no matter the circumstance, of being a dirty "NeoCon." I still think you haven't an idea of what you are talking about with these matters. And this is what happens when one follows a political party blindly, criticizes the other relentlessly, and views the media as being all knowing and wise.

And by the way...if you could give "2 ****s" for what "all you NeoCons" say...then why the hell are you even here?
 
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The truth is that NeoCons can be dangerous without wisdom being the guide. And the fact is that their global views can be just as dangerous as the Global Left's. But the meaning of "NeoCon" continues to confuse you.

- "New" conservatives initially approached NeoConservatism from the political left. The forerunners of neoconservatism were often liberals or socialists who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal.

- During the Carter years the "NeoCons" became disenfranchised with the Democratic Party, which was reflecting less and less upon the "liberal" idea. They saw Reagan as their champion and became Republicans.

- During the first presidential campaign in the post-Cold War, Clinton made attempts to bring the NeoCon back into the fold by promising to re-define America's role in the world. Riding the backs of the worn out underfunded and undertrained military from one crisis to the next (Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo), the NeoCons saw this vision emerging. And even though they continued to criticize Clinton for continuing the UN/Cold War-esque mission of containing Hussein rather than disposing of him, they were generally pleased with the attempt to establish a new global influencing path for America's power.

Yeah yeah yeah, catch up Gunny, we've already been through the whole "the correct definition of neocon" It's been clarified that since the brainless masses can't grasp the difference and hear "con" and can only connect it with conservatives. Therefore to prevent further confusion we'll agree that "neocon" refers to hard-right foreign policy of using the USAs military and economic power to spread democracy and/or to influence other countries (again using our military and economic power) to bend to our will. The first paragraph of the standard Wiki definition is as far as you need to go in the current use of the term.
Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]
The use of the phrase "...bring liberalism..." above simply means more liberal than other countries. No one would dispute that the USA is more "liberal" than say.. Saudi Arabia. All caught up now?

Individuals like Wolfewitz and Rumsfeld applauded the mission to contain Hussein rather than behave as we preach in the 90's. They broke from the NeoCon agenda and behaved more along the lines of your kind of people. But by the end, Clinton was doing everything possible to get rid of Hussein while men like Rumsfeld clung to Party slavery and criticized the UN mission as if Clinton began it and they didn't initially support it.
Obviously Clinton didn't do everything possible because he was smart enough not to drag us into a war. Clinton only made noise, dropped some bombs patrolled the no-fly zone so that there would be less complaining about Saddam from the right-wing.

You continue to define things as if history began the moment American troops crossed the Iraqi border and accuse anybody who doesn't place the Bush administration on complete and utter continual blast, no matter the circumstance, of being a dirty "NeoCon."
No, I just don't find it necessary to constantly defend the Clinton admin. Therefore I bloviate less than you.
Bush gets bashed because he deserves that and more. Funny how you cons will bring up Clinton at the drop of a hat but when someone responds in kind with lil shrub you all cry - here we go again, bush isn't the pres anymore... blah blah blah... (insert preferred whine). I don't think lil shrub was a neocon. I think he was an idiot who got played by the neocons; like Rummys little bible quotes on the front of his briefings to lil shrub. What a fool.

I still think you haven't an idea of what you are talking about with these matters. And this is what happens when one follows a political party blindly, criticizes the other relentlessly, and views the media as being all knowing and wise.
Of course, because no matter how many times we (by we I mean anyone who doesn't agree with the bullies view) tell you cons you simply ignore what we say and claim we are clueless. Like the above.

And by the way...if you could give "2 ****s" for what "all you NeoCons" say...then why the hell are you even here?
Typical, hey why don't you cut off my quote so that you can attack something I didn't say.
Let's compare your quote of me and the actual quote:
I really could give 2 ****s if all you neocons attack everything I say.
:tomatofac
 
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I think he was an idiot who got played by the neocons; like Rummys little bible quotes on the front of his briefings to lil shrub. What a fool.

Once again....Rumsfeld abandoned the NeoCon ideal when he supported the UN mission to contain Saddam Hussein rather than finish the job in 1991. He would later use the NeoCon ideal to criticize our UN obligation at a time when even President Clinton was looking for an excuse to rid the Middle East of him. However, deteriorating issues with our allies over the Hussein mission and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden took a back seat to Monika Lewinski.

People like you chose to associate the blundering in Iraq to the NeoCon camp. NeoCons didn't screw it up. Rumsfeld did. All would have been fine had the living CENTCOM plan been used.

By the way....antagonizing smilies...aggresive wording...what does all that do for you anyway?
 
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Once again....Rumsfeld abandoned the NeoCon ideal when he supported the UN mission to contain Saddam Hussein rather than finish the job in 1991. He would later use the NeoCon ideal to criticize our UN obligation at a time when even President Clinton was looking for an excuse to rid the Middle East of him. However, deteriorating issues with our allies over the Hussein mission and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden took a back seat to Monika Lewinski.

People like you chose to associate the blundering in Iraq to the NeoCon camp. NeoCons didn't screw it up. Rumsfeld did. All would have been fine had the living CENTCOM plan been used.

By the way....antagonizing smilies...aggresive wording...what does all that do for you anyway?
Do I need to explain everything to you? Smilies help show the emotion or attitude behind the words and as far as aggressive wording... unbunch your panties.

So it's your position that Clinton would have gone to war with Iraq if only the ****birds in the repub party wouldn't have distracted Clinton with the Lewinski debacle? :rofl

Rumsfeld is a neocon. :doh
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century]Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
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Once again....Rumsfeld abandoned the NeoCon ideal when he supported the UN mission to contain Saddam Hussein rather than finish the job in 1991. He would later use the NeoCon ideal to criticize our UN obligation at a time when even President Clinton was looking for an excuse to rid the Middle East of him. However, deteriorating issues with our allies over the Hussein mission and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden took a back seat to Monika Lewinski.

People like you chose to associate the blundering in Iraq to the NeoCon camp. NeoCons didn't screw it up. Rumsfeld did. All would have been fine had the living CENTCOM plan been used.

By the way....antagonizing smilies...aggresive wording...what does all that do for you anyway?
Probably gives him a woody.
 
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Do I need to explain everything to you? Smilies help show the emotion or attitude behind the words and as far as aggressive wording... unbunch your panties.

So it's your position that Clinton would have gone to war with Iraq if only the ****birds in the repub party wouldn't have distracted Clinton with the Lewinski debacle? :rofl

Rumsfeld is a neocon. :doh
Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No he's not. He just signed onto the project, but he has historically been more of a conservative than foreign policy Neoconservatives. Also, if you wanted to use membership as criteria for being a Neoconservative, then this would be odd considering Kristol, Kagan, Fukuyama, etc etc etc had criticized Rumsfeld and called for his resignation while in the administration.
 
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Yeah yeah yeah, catch up Gunny, we've already been through the whole "the correct definition of neocon" It's been clarified that since the brainless masses can't grasp the difference and hear "con" and can only connect it with conservatives. Therefore to prevent further confusion we'll agree that "neocon" refers to hard-right foreign policy of using the USAs military and economic power to spread democracy and/or to influence other countries (again using our military and economic power) to bend to our will. The first paragraph of the standard Wiki definition is as far as you need to go in the current use of the term. The use of the phrase "...bring liberalism..." above simply means more liberal than other countries. No one would dispute that the USA is more "liberal" than say.. Saudi Arabia. All caught up now?

Not really. The wiki article is a travesty. Furthermore, many living neoconservatives also cannot agree upon that mission statement you so sarcastically delivered as fact.
 
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"Individuals like Wolfewitz and Rumsfeld applauded the mission to contain Hussein rather than behave as we preach in the 90's. They broke from the NeoCon agenda and behaved more along the lines of your kind of people. But by the end, Clinton was doing everything possible to get rid of Hussein while men like Rumsfeld clung to Party slavery and criticized the UN mission as if Clinton began it and they didn't initially support it. "

Wolfowitz throughout his career had generally unified democratic idealism and practice-not happy with tyrannical regimes (whether or not they served the American interest). Wolfowitz during the H.W. years was very critical of containing Hussein in the style we had. He, Cheney, and Rowen proposed a plan that would have gone much further into Iraq (with being incredibly close to Baghdad) which would have even further weakened Hussein. The plan was tossed aside by the administration, and the administration called the cease-fire. Both Wolfowitz and Libby were upset that it was called off so soon.

What seems to be most interesting is that while Wolfowitz and Cheney provided public support to what the administration had done (makes sense, being that they worked for the administration), Wolfowitz was quite a bit more willing to the idea of installing a democracy that would probably upset the Saudis whereas Cheney would not have supported it because of that. Much later in the 90s, however, Wolfowitz said with hindsight they should have done more destruction to Iraq so as to even further encourage an internal movement against Hussein.

To me, Wolfowitz, despite knowledge about the power vacuum or difficulty that would have been created from a coup (American or Iraqi), kind of wanted it, but being a member of the first Bush administration probably influenced him to constantly dance around what to do with Saddam and Iraq. With some time away from the administration, the man could easily go with what he would have preferred.
 
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