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Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

Slippery Slope said:
Now that we are no longer sweeping up the streets of Iraq with a net we don't need gitmo. God forbid we should use a military or public prison within our borders to hold them before trial, like any other criminal.
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Sounds to me like you have quite a quarrel with the actions of Congressional Democrats.
 
Redress said:
The actual mechanic of how he would ask for that extension, or who would grant it, I dunno.
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He would ask... Himself.

He would do this by creating a new executive order, changing the date of closure specified in His original executive order.
 
Goobieman said:
Hmm.
So, would you then say that The Obama made a promise that He had no idea how He would keep?
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I would say that he did not have full knowledge at the time he made the promise(obviously, since he did not have access to all the classified information on Gitmo). I would also say that any big effort on the part of the government takes longer, and costs more than originally planned.
 
Redress said:
I would say that he did not have full knowledge....
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Full knowledge... of what?

And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him toi make that prmoise?

I also find it intersting that whenever one of The Obama's campaign promises fall apart, His supporters cite a lack of "full knowledge".
 
Goobieman said:
Full knowledge... of what?

And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him toi make that prmoise?

I also find it intersting that whenever one of The Obama's campaign promises fall apart, His supporters cite a lack of "full knowledge".
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That would limit politicians from making a large number of campaign promises. Promises about foreign policy and the military would be almost impossible.

Note also, he has ordered the closure of Gitmo, just as he promised. The practicalities of getting it done are going slow, but that does not invalidate his promise.

Keep hoping though...
 
Redress said:
That would limit politicians from making a large number of campaign promises. Promises about foreign policy and the military would be almost impossible.
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You didnt answer my questions.

Note also, he has ordered the closure of Gitmo, just as he promised. The practicalities of getting it done are going slow, but that does not invalidate his promise.
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Hmm... sounds like Bill Clinton
"Well, ah prmosed I would would -order- it closed, and ah did -- its not MAH fault that the Republicans in Congress don't want to help me on this".

Oh wait... its the DEMOCRATS in congress that dont want to help Him...
 
So what is physically wrong with Gitmo?
 
Goobieman said:
You didnt answer my questions.


Hmm... sounds like Bill Clinton
"Well, ah prmosed I would would -order- it closed, and ah did -- its not MAH fault that the Republicans in Congress don't want to help me on this".

Oh wait... its the DEMOCRATS in congress that dont want to help Him...
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You are right, sorry. There are large areas of information about Gitmo that are classified. He had limited access to this information I believe. Since this information is classified, I do not know what it is.

As for the rest, he ordered Gitmo closed, and to the best of our knowledge, it will close. It is premature to suggest he is going back on a campaign promise.

Oh, and Obama does not have absolute control of congressional democrats, much as he might like it, nor should he.
 
Goobieman said:
Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

Can't really blame a congressman not wanting to be responsible for this -- but, if closing Gitmo is "the right thing to do" then don't you suppose you should vote to do it, regardless of the consequence to your political career?

Or, is the preservation of personal and partisan political power more importan than "doing the right thing"?
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When is The Gitmo Protest Crew & Wacko's Association going to show their stuff against Obama?
You know, painting him to be a Nazi, screaming about prisoners rights?
Even 5% of what they gave Bush...

There are some confused Libs running around out there.
What are they to do?
They own EVERYTHING.

LOL...

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American said:
All this talk about having to close it; what's wrong with it?
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As best I understand it Guantanamo Bay Naval Base itself is not being closed(I served with some one who had been there, and said the area is beautiful by the way), only the detention center. A detention center to hold people indefinitely is not necessary in my opinion, and has been a PR disaster throughout the world.
 
Redress said:
As best I understand it Guantanamo Bay Naval Base itself is not being closed(I served with some one who had been there, and said the area is beautiful by the way), only the detention center. A detention center to hold people indefinitely is not necessary in my opinion, and has been a PR disaster throughout the world.
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I'm well aware of all this. It does not answer the question. Prisons are not about PR. Should we investigate other prisons as well? Hold people indefinitely is a policy, not a physical building issue. This is all posturing by idiot politicians pandering to leftwing extremists who don't know what they're talking about.
 
Redress said:
You are right, sorry. There are large areas of information about Gitmo that are classified. He had limited access to this information I believe. Since this information is classified, I do not know what it is.
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How does this have any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners?

And, again:
And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him to make that prmoise?

As for the rest, he ordered Gitmo closed, and to the best of our knowledge, it will close. It is premature to suggest he is going back on a campaign promise.
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As of this point, it is NOT closing.

Oh, and Obama does not have absolute control of congressional democrats, much as he might like it, nor should he.
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Then, getting back to to the OP -- what do you think of those Congressmen that put their personal and partisan power over "the right thing to do"?
 
American said:
I'm well aware of all this. It does not answer the question. Prisons are not about PR. Should we investigate other prisons as well? Hold people indefinitely is a policy, not a physical building issue. This is all posturing by idiot politicians pandering to leftwing extremists who don't know what they're talking about.
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If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?
 
Redress said:
If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?
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They still need to be held somewhere.
Why move them, other than to appease the whiners?
 
Goobieman said:
How does this have any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners?

And, again:
And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him to make that prmoise?
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You do not understand how not having full access to certain information has a bearing in determining how long it will take to do something? By the way, I also just found this while doing a quick scan for more information on this subject: Guantanamo Case Files in Disarray. How exactly could he know in advance that the case file system would cause things to take longer than expected? It's a classic case of why every government project ends up taking longer and costing more than projected.

And again, he has not gone back on his promise. To the best of our knowledge, Gitmo is still going to close, as promised.
 
Goobieman said:
They still need to be held somewhere.
Why move them, other than to appease the whiners?
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We do not have enough prisons outside of Gitmo?
 
Redress said:
If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?
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Oh, so they are planning to just let them go?
 
Redress said:
We do not have enough prisons outside of Gitmo?
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You didnt answer my question.
Why move them? The whining isnt about where we hold them, its about not giving them trials. Why NOT just keep them there until that point?
 
Redress said:
You do not understand how not having full access to certain information has a bearing in determining how long it will take to do something?
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I'll take this as you admitting you have no idea how 'not having ernough information' has any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners. Thanks.
 
Goobieman said:
You didnt answer my question.
Why move them? The whining isnt about where we hold them, its about not giving them trials. Why NOT just keep them there until that point?
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It looks like they'll let these terrorists go, so we don't need Gitmo...I think that's what he means.
 
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