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Iran executes 22 year-old

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Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.

Iran is way out there in their punishments, but just when you think it couldn't get any worse, Iran becomes like Texas. :mrgreen:

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Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.
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That is just wrong.
The entire idea of DP is barbaric but it is made worse when events such as this occurs.
 
danarhea said:
Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.

Iran is way out there in their punishments, but just when you think it couldn't get any worse, Iran becomes like Texas. :mrgreen:

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Dan I think your comparison to Texas is a bit disingenuous. Iran executes women and girls for having sex outside marriage. Homosexuals simply for being homosexuals, Apostates for converting from Islam to Christianity, etc. It is not fair to compare Texas to the evil theocracy of Iran.
 
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SgtRock said:
Dan I think your comparison to Texas is a bit disingenuous. Iran executes women and girls for having sex outside marriage. Homosexuals simply for being homosexuals, Apostates for converting from Islam to Christianity, etc. It is not far to compare Texas to the evil theocracy of Iran.
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That is a red herring you just posted. The girl had committed murder.
 
danarhea said:
That is a red herring you just posted. The girl had committed murder.
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Maybe so, but Irans record is far from stellar when it comes to fair trials. This woman was 17 when she was convinced to confess to a crime she may or may not have commited. Texas has an extensive appeals process. If this woman had been convicted here in Texas I do not think she would have been executed, do you?
 
SgtRock said:
Maybe so, but Irans record is far from stellar when it comes to fair trials. This woman was 17 when she was convinced to confess to a crime she may or may not have commited. Texas has an extensive appeals process. If this woman had been convicted here in Texas I do not think she would have been executed, do you?
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1) Texas had 29 juvinile offenders on death row at the time the Supreme Court made its decision that juvinile offenders could not be executed.

2) Many death row inmates have been freed as a result of DNA evidence which exonerated them, and in which prosecutorial misconduct, planting of evidence by police, sloppy detective work, and other errors had been proven. The crime lab in Houston was actually shut down a few years ago because the evidence provided from it was no good and sometimes even rigged, in order to provide sentences of "guilty". It was one of the biggest scandals in Texas history.

3) Before DNA testing was available, there is no telling how many innocent people were put to death in Texas.

Put those 3 points together and my answer to you is that I cannot say that she would not have been put to death in Texas, and neither can you.
 
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When a country employs the death penalty for pretty much everything, every once in a while it's going to use it for something that actually justifies it. I suppose this is one of those cases.
 
SgtRock said:
Maybe so, but Irans record is far from stellar when it comes to fair trials. This woman was 17 when she was convinced to confess to a crime she may or may not have commited. Texas has an extensive appeals process. If this woman had been convicted here in Texas I do not think she would have been executed, do you?
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No. She would have been declared mentally retarded and then executed. That's the Texas way. See? I can bring up red herrings too. :)
 
danarhea said:
2) Many death row inmates have been freed as a result of DNA evidence which exonerated them, and in which prosecutorial misconduct, planting of evidence by police, sloppy detective work, and other errors had been proven.
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True. But on the flip side of that, how many innocent men are serving life in prison without the extensive review of their cases that death penalty cases receive?

The end result of doing away with the death penalty is that the vast majority of these wrongly convicted men and women will simply rot in jail for the rest of their lives...

Does that make you feel better about the system?

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What I find interesting is how some seem to always jump to the defense of the Iranian and similar regimes whenever they do something dispicable and the defenders always seems to be the same folks. :roll:


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Comparing Iran to Texas is simply BS.
 
Grateful Heart said:
True. But on the flip side of that, how many innocent men are serving life in prison without the extensive review of their cases that death penalty cases receive?
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Plenty. That doesn't make the death penalty any better. While it is a death sentence either way, at least in theory there is time for those with life sentences. Furthermore, many life in prison have been exonerated.

The end result of doing away with the death penalty is that the vast majority of these wrongly convicted men and women will simply rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
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Or the flip side, provide more time and resources for extensive review and proper trials. Remember that capital punishment is incredibly expensive.

Both your points suggest something many have agreed with; we need prison reform.
 
TOJ said:
What I find interesting is how some seem to always jump to the defense of the Iranian and similar regimes whenever they do something dispicable and the defenders always seems to be the same folks. :roll:


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Saying that Iran is kinda like Texas, isn't really "coming to the defense" of Iran. Just sayin'.
 
danarhea said:
Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.

Iran is way out there in their punishments, but just when you think it couldn't get any worse, Iran becomes like Texas. :mrgreen:

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The fact she was 17 when she committed murder and facing an appropriate punishment for it is irrelevant.This is just scumbag sympathizer nonsense whining over the fact she is being executed for a crime she committed when she was 17. At 17 years old you should know that murder is wrong. If you are old enough to do the crime then you are old enough to be punished for it. As Dav said a country that uses the death penalty for everything will eventually use it for the right reasons. This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
 
TOJ said:
What I find interesting is how some seem to always jump to the defense of the Iranian and similar regimes whenever they do something dispicable and the defenders always seems to be the same folks. :roll:


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Unfortunately, because of the way the OP set up this issue... many of us are in the position of defending Texas. To hell with Iran.

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obvious Child said:
Both your points suggest something many have agreed with; we need prison reform.
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This has nothing to do with prison reform. This is about the judicial system. It never has been and never will be flawless. If you know of a better model that results in fewer wrongful convictions, please share.

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Grateful Heart said:
This has nothing to do with prison reform. This is about the judicial system.
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Not necessarily. We don't treat prisoners the same, especially when the outcome is the same: death.

It never has been and never will be flawless. If you know of a better model that results in fewer wrongful convictions, please share.
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I don't necessarily think it's a better model, it's more of modifying the mechanisms and criteria within that model to produce a more accurate outcome.

As much as some people like to pretend, the state has executed innocent people on death row and allowed innocent people to die in prison under life sentences. While we can never truly eliminate that without eliminating the prison system, we should seek to mitigate and reduce this.
 
Any comparison to the state of Texas, or any other State in the U.S. to this, is ridiculous.

I have no problem with a seventeen year old being treated as an adult or with a person of any age, who can not be rehabilitated, being executed.
I also do not believe it is any of our business of how another Government governs their masses.



jamesrage said:
This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
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In the abstract, I am understanding what you are saying in regards to the punishment... it fits the actual crime. And since she was convicted of the crime... it is ok.
Is that correct?



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Darabi, 22, had spent five years in jail after being convicted of murdering her father's wealthy female cousin. She initially confessed to the crime but later insisted that her boyfriend carried out the murder to steal the 65-year-old woman's money. The boyfriend persuaded her to confess, she claimed, by convincing her she would not be executed because of her age.
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Abdolsamad Khoramshahi, had appealed against the sentence, arguing that her conviction had been based solely on her confession and that her trial had failed to consider vital evidence.
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Outcry as Iran executes artist over juvenile conviction
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Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?
 
Coolguy said:
Any comparison to the state of Texas, or any other State in the U.S. to this, is ridiculous.

I have no problem with a seventeen year old being treated as an adult or with a person of any age, who can not be rehabilitated, being executed.
I also do not believe it is any of our business of how another Government governs their masses.



In the abstract, I am understanding what you are saying in regards to the punishment... it fits the actual crime. And since she was convicted of the crime... it is ok.
Is that correct?



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Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?
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I do not know if this woman is telling the truth or if she is just merely lying to save her own ass. Criminals say they are innocent all the time. However most of these scumbag sympathizers are whining about her age at the time the crime has taken place in not whether or not she received a fair trial.
 
jamesrage said:
I do not know if this woman is telling the truth or if she is just merely lying to save her own ass.
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Thank you.
That is the point.
We do not know, and the article is absent information to draw any conclusions.



jamesrage said:
Criminals say they are innocent all the time.
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And innocent people say they are guilty all the time.
So what? One does not have more sway than the other and neither should be used to make judgment absent supporting evidence.


jamesrage said:
However most of these scumbag sympathizers are whining about her age at the time the crime has taken place in ...
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I don't see these people as "scumbag sympathizers" but those who are well intentioned, just as you are, but with a different set of ethics, values, morals and beliefs, some of which I agree with, and some I do not.


jamesrage said:
... not whether or not she received a fair trial.
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To me, the article was about both; her age, (which I have no problems with) and the fair trial aspect.
Which is why I asked you the following question.
Coolguy said:
Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?
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Coolguy said:
Thank you.
That is the point.
We do not know, and the article is absent information to draw any conclusions.
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Then why speculate whether or not she recieved a fair trial when there is no evidence to suggest she didn't?

I don't see these people as "scumbag sympathizers" but those who are well intentioned, just as you are, but with a different set of ethics, values, morals and beliefs, some of which I agree with, and some I do not.
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It takes sympathy from to not want a scumbag on death row executed.
 
Hatuey said:
No. She would have been declared mentally retarded and then executed. That's the Texas way. See? I can bring up red herrings too. :)
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Ouchies, taking a shot at little ole Texas are we?

The girl in question was executed despite there being a stay of execution by Iran's judiciary. More than likely a ploy to take off some of the outrage that would have been generated. Instead of blaming Iran, Iran itself and shrug and say "out of control jail officials". The case itself was pretty fishy to the point that even the Iran courts were unsure. That says ALOT right there.


Laila said:
The entire idea of DP is barbaric
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One of those inmates, Shermaine A. Johnson, 26, had been awaiting execution in Virginia for a rape and murder he committed in 1994 at age 16.
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Yeah, so is rape and murder. Justice is sometimes an uncomfortable necessity that the modern "civilized" age needs despite its ever changing (some would say degenerating) moral code.
 
Iran ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child on 13 Jul 1994, but with reservations.
"The Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran reserves the right not to apply any provisions or articles of the Convention that are incompatible with Islamic Laws and the international legislation in effect."
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So any claims that they are not in abidance with said 'rights', are actually untrue by there own reading of Sharia Law.

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jamesrage said:
Then why speculate whether or not...
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Again, that is the point.
You drew a conclusion when you said the following.
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This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
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That conclusion is based on speculation.
So if you are going to draw conclusions based on speculation then there is no reason why we shouldn't speculate further, with reason based on what we know of the country, it's culture, and how women are treated.



jamesrage said:
Then why speculate whether or not she recieved a fair trial when there is no evidence to suggest she didn't?
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Uh, hello!
Her claim is, in and of itself, evidence. Evidence that she may not have murdered someone.
Secondly, we have the claim of her lawyer that she didn't receive a fair trial.
What is lacking to us, is evidence supporting the claims.
But then again, since we are speculating, we again need to go to how the country and it's culture treat women.

But hey, since you avoided my question twice, it's all moot, isn't it?
Just as your statement I quoted above is moot.




jamesrage said:
It takes sympathy from to not want a scumbag on death row executed.
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No, it doesn't just take sympathy.
It can take sympathy for some.
It can take looking at the evidence for others.
And then there are those who are against the death penalty because they believe the Government should not be involved in the killing of it's Citizens.
etc...
The point being is, that there are many reasons one can be against the imposition of the death penalty, in part (case specific), or in whole, that does not involve sympathy, nor require that one be a "scumbag", or "scumbag sympathizer".


As for scumbag/s.
That is nothing but vitriol, and you know it.

As far as I am concerned, it's use, and the use of other vitriolic comments are amoral. Not only does the usage of such cast the person and their posts in a negative light, it takes away from their otherwise cogent replies and does nothing to further discussion.
 
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