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Religious tend to support torture more often

Um...having some experience with the prison system, I would say that most convicts GET religion sometime between arrest and trial...and that 90% of the them lose it again about four days after getting released.

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That doesn't make them atheists, that makes them... typically religious. IOWs they use religion for comfort and convenience. :werd
 
They were done in the name of Atheistic, social engineering and attempts to completely uproot past social structures and belief systems.
I know you posted this before my previous response to this line of reasoning but I'm sure you'll see the problem with your argument here once you realize the difference between political goals and atheistic goals... Atheistic goals being NONEXISTENT.
 
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"Catholic charities, by and large, do not involve proselytizing at all."
Meaning that sometimes they do. :2wave: you can try to paint xianity with your fantasy but history is rather available in this area. :roll:

You have no clue what you are talking about. But keep flapping your gums. It makes up in entertainment what it lacks in informational value.
 
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"Innocent lives" equates to the people who were working in the World Trade Center who were murdered by desperate terrorists whom people like you appear to defend, for no other reason than they were Americans.


But you don't give 2 ****es about the 10s of thousands of innocent lives wasted in Iraq... funny how that works out.

So now you wish to divine what it is I care about based on the above comment?

But again, your willful denial of the fact that those tens of thousands died not because of the actions of our troops, but because of the actions of a tiny faction of murderers and terrorists who do not want to see Democracy succeed in Iraq.

How disingenuous that you continue to suggest that our troops are to blame.


Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
I find your desperate rhetoric specious in that you presume to suggest that these murderous thugs even had a reason to do what they do. You keep referring to OUR actions as if these thugs even need a reason to conduct their murder and terror, other than we are Americans and not Muslim.


I find your desperate rhetoric specious in that you presume to suggest that these murderous thugs just woke up one morning and decided, for no reason to get together and kill some Americans by hijacking a few planes... give me a break, the intellectual dishonesty is strong in this one.

The only reason you would find my arguments specious or constitute rhetoric would be due to your rabid historical ignorance of the region and your desperate attempts to swallow the terrorist propaganda that would never even occur to a rational human being to make any sense at all.

But your hate Bush hate America blather you constantly spew on this forum hardly suggests that of a rational human being.

Hmm... I'd never heard that they want to kill us because we are Americans... I thought it was because they hate our freedom?

The only reason you “thought” that, an obvious oxymoron in your case, is because you swallow the swill dished out by Osama Bin Laden and their illogical ignorant assertions about the evils of America and the Jews and how they have caused the poverty so common in the ME.

As I stated, rational beings tend to look to FACTS and the TRUTH rather than swallow such ignorant swill dished out by uneducated murderous thugs who want to force the entire world back into the dark ages of their fundamentalist beliefs; no one can accuse you of that for sure.

There are plenty of xians who hate muslims simply because they are muslim. Why don't they go fly a plane into a mosque? Lack of religious conviction? I mean, you gotta hand it to the jihadists, that do have religious conviction... As far as I can tell, that and liberalization of xianty... You can thank the liberal mind for for that change in aggressive attitude in xianity.

So now in lieu of rational coherent arguments, you resort to the absurd. Bravo for you; your irrational defense of the indefensible has been noted. Again, it hardly excuses your anti-American diatribes.


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You’re profound only in your own mind, but your arguments suggest someone who has little information, is historically ignorant and most likely to operate on an emotional level rather than intellectual.


You’re profound only in your own mind, but your arguments suggest someone who has little information, is historically ignorant and most likely to operate on an emotional level rather than intellectual.

What irony coming from someone who spews irrational hatred and terrorist like propaganda and who seldom exhibits the ability to be cognizant of any FACTS even if they swat them in the head.

Tell me something, what historical perspective do you think you are bringing to the debate? The only history I am seeing is the inane terrorist propaganda we see from the likes of Osama.

Trust me when I tell you this; Osama lies.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your uninformed desperate defenses using propaganda that can only be made by irrational, uniformed and poorly educated slobs who could care less about your asinine assertions about how we brought on the attacks of 9-11.

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This is untrue. My mental illness argument was offered ONLY as a counter to your claim that the religious have more ethically sound minds.

Your study had nothing to do with your argument, though. That's my point to you. You used a study that had NOTHING to do with what you were saying. Its subjects and goals were no where near the points of your argument. I'm sorry but it's as though you simply googled "religious delusions" and linked to the first thing that popped up without actually knowing rather or not is was the study you have already read a long time ago and based your conclusions on.

To the poll I offered one and only one argument and that was that conservatives are more likely to not see waterboarding and other things as unacceptable forms of torture. Religious folks are overwhelmingly conservative and people are sheep. So as the party blowhards go on tv and mock waterboarding the sheeple follow along. Now that's not to say that there aren't conservatives who researched it, thought about it deeply, and arrived at the same conclusion as the loudest blowhards on the right. However it's easy to see why the religious more often support torture, it's because conservatives more often support torture. I don't think God has anything to do with it. Just like more ice cream being sold in July in the US has nothing to do with the month of July and everything to do with the weather here in July. Somewhere else it might be cold in July and icecream sales are down. So July is not the cause of higher ice cream sales. Make sense?

I've already agreed with you on this, but your study still has nothing to do with your argument.
 
I don't think that is true. Most converts in prison are of the Christian variety as they have a huge presence in prisons around the country. Support programs etc.

In prison religion is a hotly energizing force, and Islam is spreading swiftly, experts say. Even Muslim leaders and scholars say they have been surprised by the pace of prison conversions, though national research on religion in prison is scarce. In what may be the most dramatic example, one researcher says the majority of inmates are Muslim at New York City’s Rikers Island jail complex, the largest in the country.

Ramadan challenges inmates, prisons as Islam spreads | ReligionLink

Is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world? - Yahoo! Answers


I don't claim the above is proof positive...stats seem hard to come by. But it is some evidence to back up what I've seen with my own eyes: lots and lots of Muslim converts in prison.

How deep is their belief? Well, that's debateable in many cases... like I said, 90% are religious long enough to get out of prison (of whichever religion).
 
Ramadan challenges inmates, prisons as Islam spreads | ReligionLink

Is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world? - Yahoo! Answers


I don't claim the above is proof positive...stats seem hard to come by. But it is some evidence to back up what I've seen with my own eyes: lots and lots of Muslim converts in prison.

How deep is their belief? Well, that's debateable in many cases... like I said, 90% are religious long enough to get out of prison (of whichever religion).

I agree Islam is spreading, but it is not even close to the majority of inmates.

I could only find stats from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice in 1999. Those stats had Christian up around 40% mostly being Baptists and Catholic. The rest are non-believers and all other denominations combined.

Allot may have changed in the last ten years, but this is still a predominantly Christian country. The prisons most likely still reflect this.
 
No, it was political social engineering. Religion was attacked to usurp the power the church held and to exploit the inherent nature of the religious.

I have no idea what the last bit means but this political and social engineering was inherently Atheistic.
 
Stalin did it in the name of Atheism? Sorry that doesn't cut it, he didn't do it for atheism.
He did it in the name of Marxist materialism which is Atheistic. In the same way the Hapsburg inquisition did it in the name not of religion but Roman Catholicism.
 
He did it in the name of Marxist materialism which is Atheistic. In the same way the Hapsburg inquisition did it in the name not of religion but Roman Catholicism.

Materialism is not the same as atheism, sorry. If that were the case most of America would be atheist considering many do most things for materialism.
 
Materialism is not the same as atheism, sorry. If that were the case most of America would be atheist considering many do most things for materialism.
:doh

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[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism[/ame]
 
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Come to England and say that. Liberal ******s never have any guts.

Pay to fly me out there and I will. Queen Worshipers, NEVER have the guts to prove their cause.
 
Pay to fly me out there and I will. Queen Worshipers, NEVER have the guts to prove their cause.

Why would I pay you for it? Liberals are also cheap as well as ******s.

I didn't fail epically by showing I don't even know what Materialism and Marxism mean.:roll:
 
Why would I pay you for it? Liberals are also cheap as well as ******s.

I didn't fail epically by showing I don't even know what Materialism and Marxism mean.:roll:

LOL Why should I pay to fly to England to insult your ****ing queen?

She's a bitch, and so is her worshipers. Pay me to fly out there and I will say that.

You are the one that said come to England and say it, I expected you to fly me out there so you can defend your queen wench. Seems you are the cheap one.

You said Marxsism MATERIALISM. Meaning Materialism.
 
LOL Why should I pay to fly to England to insult your ****ing queen?
To show you are not a pathetic ***** who is big on insults from the safety of his desk 1000s of miles away.

You are the one that said come to England and say it, I expected you to fly me out there so you can defend your queen wench. Seems you are the cheap one.
You are pathetic. You make massive insults on my sovereign randomly and then don't have the balls to do it in England itself.

You said Marxsism MATERIALISM. Meaning Materialism.
:doh

Do you even know the philosophical meaning of materialism? Why are you bothering to spew out your vile, idiocy when you cannot even grasp the basic notions of debates.
 
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To show you are not a pathetic ***** who is big on insults from the safety of his desk 1000s of miles away.

You're the one that wants to DEFEND the queen, so I guess you are too cheap to do that. All talk and no action like most people from England.

Do you even know the philosophical meaning of materialism? Why are you bothering to spew out your vile, idiocy when you cannot even grasp the basic notions of debates.

I do, it is obviously you don't. So go kiss your queen's ass and stop making a fool out of yourself.

Be sure and give it that round lap about kiss you guys are all fond of.
 
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Asking someone to re-hash history is hardly a substitute for coherent debate; you continue to obfuscate and avoid the OBVIOUS.

In other words, your feigning to be ignorant of the events leading to the take over of the Russian Government by the Communists and their subsequent pogroms and murders is disingenuous.
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It's okay, if you don't want to support your argument, I cannot make you. Just do not expect me take your unsupported arguments seriously, okay?
 
Your pardon, I did not mean to imply. I should have stated explicitly:

If a man wages war on my family, I will hunt him, his family, his children, his friends, and any he holds dear. If a man confines his conflict to me, I shall happily confine my conflict to him, and shall happily provide him with a decent burial to salute his honorable death.

If that makes me uncivilized in your eyes, then I shall proudly call myself uncivilized.

Dude, I wanna have your baby.

I think I might have finally met someone as smart as me. :mrgreen:
 
This is not a surprise. It seems to fit in with all I have ever thought about those religious.
 
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