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Religious tend to support torture more often

Orius said:
This was a pretty interesting read.

Survey: Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful - CNN.com

The statistics show that the more often you attend church... the more likely to support torture. When I read this I found it interesting but not surprising. Thoughts?
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I have problems with the study. Just because one attends religious services, does not mean they are religious. I have not attended a religious service in 20+ years, and am still one of the most religious people I know...and people who know me would agree.

Nextly, we here at DP have been arguing the definition of torture for a couple of years in many threads and still haven't come to a consensus. Since we are, obviously, the most enlightened folks (or at least most of us) around, I doubt that Pew Research would have solidified a definition, if we here at DP can't. :2razz:

Lastly, a small sample size, and the fact that evangelicals, the more extremist of religions seem to be skewing the statistics all mar the data.

I don't take this information very seriously.
 
WillRockwell said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the Christian tendency to embrace torture as an article of faith, as witnessed by the huge success of the movie "Passion of the Christ", which revelled in the supposed torture of Jesus. After seeing what their Savior went through, Christians would consider waterboarding a leisure activity.
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Certainly one of the most nonsensical posts at DP. Prove the connection between the success of the movie "Passion of the Christ" and "revelling" in Jesus' torture. Substantive links will suffice.
 
MrVicchio said:
Could you possibly in more insulting or ignorant of Christians?


What I find most fascinating, is that those most likely to protest "torture" also tend to support abortion and are against the Death Penalty. Hang on, I'm making a point here.

WARNGING the following contain: General rule here folks, if it doesn't apply to you personally, good for you.

Which makes you wonder really, where the true face of evil is here.

On one side, you have pro-life, pro-enhanced interrogation, pro-death penalty religious folks who believe innocent life trumps all.

And the other side of the coin, those who believe that innocent life is expendable. Yeah, "it's just a lump of cells". Sure. "We cannot put him to death, what if he is innocent??" 2.21 recidivism rate of killers means 2.1 people will die. "we cannot torture people to get information that saves lives. That's immoral! It's better we do not torture and people die, at least our values will be intact!"


All of you lefties that have your panties in a wad because W used some enhanced techniques to save possibly, yes even your life, innocent peoples lives... You people scare me. I mean that. You berate religious folks for supporting "torture" yet you ignore the reality of the world around you.

You people claim you are better because you don't believe in religion, yet you cannot face the reality there are some REALLY nasty people out that WOULD saw your head off if they got their hands on you.

And who dies to save your asses? Conservative religious folks tend to populate the Armed Forces. Didn't meet too many atheist while I served.
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One thing to be clear about. Some of your comments are very prejudicial. I am a lefty. I am also very religious. Try not to generalize, because you are not accurate. I know plenty of lefties, like me, who are quite religious.
 
DamnYankee said:
Bravo! Dr. Savage is more and more right, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

You made more sense in one sentence than all the leftists combined on this thread.
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Actually, as a licensed therapist, I can tell you that conservatism is a mental disorder. :roll:

Now that we have dispensed with the idiotic hyperpartisan hackery, do you have anything of substance to add to this thread?
 
Hatuey said:
What is more Christ-like then torture? Honestly come on now. Christ would be the one filling up a bucket of water and setting up the ironing board.
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I was wrong when I said that WillRockwell's post was one of the most nonsensical at DP. This one outdoes that one. :roll:
 
MrVicchio said:
Insulting Christians is okay here, remember this. However, should you mention homosexuals, well, can't have that.
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Moderator's Warning:
And if you have issues with moderation, you know how to address them. Please do not do this again.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
One thing to be clear about. Some of your comments are very prejudicial. I am a lefty. I am also very religious. Try not to generalize, because you are not accurate. I know plenty of lefties, like me, who are quite religious.
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I put a disclaimer saying I WAS intentionally speaking in generalities this if it didn't apply to you... it didn't apply to you.

WARNGING the following contain: General rule here folks, if it doesn't apply to you personally, good for you.
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GarzaUK said:
If you attack homosexuals we will defend them.
If we attack christainity you will defend it.
See, all equal.

Grow a thicker skin.
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Guess what? I will defend both. All I see in this thread is people using it to behave like anti-religious bullies.
 
MrVicchio said:
I put a disclaimer saying I WAS intentionally speaking in generalities this if it didn't apply to you... it didn't apply to you.
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Didn't see it. Thank you. My comment stands for the general population as a reminder, but I retract it's direction towards you. :)
 
Harshaw said:
That is offensive.
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Really? How so? Do you think the very Christians who support torture don't ask themselves on a daily basis 'What would Christ do?' ? Calm down. ;)
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I was wrong when I said that WillRockwell's post was one of the most nonsensical at DP. This one outdoes that one. :roll:
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It was mostly a joke. Calm down.
 
Hatuey said:
It was mostly a joke. Calm down.
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Thought about it after I made my post and I figured that. Your lack of smilie use, lately, has made your sarcasm more difficult to pick up.

Remember, smilies are your friends. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I have problems with the study. Just because one attends religious services, does not mean they are religious. I have not attended a religious service in 20+ years, and am still one of the most religious people I know...and people who know me would agree.
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Why would you attend a religious service if you're not actually religious? I mean. It's one thing to attend a religious service and say you don't buy into the social agenda of the church(abortion, guns, children etc). But nobody goes to church for any number of years and then get to claim they don't believe in God while still going to that church.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Thought about it after I made my post and I figured that. Your lack of smilie use, lately, has made your sarcasm more difficult to pick up.

Remember, smilies are your friends. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
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Deadpan comedy doesn't really work well when it's typed out.
 
Hatuey said:
Why would you attend a religious service if you're not actually religious? I mean. It's one thing to attend a religious service and say you don't buy into the social agenda of the church(abortion, guns, children etc). But nobody goes to church for any number of years and then get to claim they don't believe in God while still going to that church.
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There's a difference between claiming that you are religious and actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion. Further, plenty of people go to church for the socialization or out of sense of duty or obligation.
 
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Hatuey said:
Deadpan comedy doesn't really work well when it's typed out.
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This is true. Precisely why Steven Wright will never be a good comedic writer, but is a great performer.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
There's a difference between claiming that you are religious and actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion. Further, plenty of people go to church for the socialization or out of sense of duty.
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So then you don't agree with the definition of religious. From what I've read from you somebody who is religious wouldn't **** outside of marriage(actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion). To me it's anybody who goes to church and believes in the God of X-Religion.

This is kind of like arguing that Jallman is not actually gay because he's opposed to what he considers stereotypical militant homosexuality while NCFY is the only real gay because he submits to stereotypical militant homosexuality. Only you know. At the end of the day they both sleep with men.

But look. If you wanna get technical :

religious - definition of religious by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
n. pl. religious
A member of a monastic order, especially a nun or monk.
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religious - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

1: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>

2: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances <joined a religious order>
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Potato. Potato.
 
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Hatuey said:
So then you don't agree with the definition of religious. From what I've read from you somebody who is religious wouldn't **** outside of marriage(actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion). To me it's anybody who goes to church and believes in the God of X-Religion. This is kind of like arguing that Jallman is not actually gay because he's opposed to what he considers stereotypical militant homosexuality while NCFY is the only real gay because he submits to stereotypical militant homosexuality.
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There's more to being religious than just believing in GOD, at least to me. But also remember, being religious, and those tenets are not black or white; there is a matter of degree. To me, being kind to your fellow man, something that is often professed in most religions, is an important component to being religious. However, that does not mean if you say something nasty, once, your ability to identify as religious is revoked.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
There's more to being religious than just believing in GOD, at least to me. But also remember, being religious, and those tenets are not black or white; there is a matter of degree. To me, being kind to your fellow man, something that is often professed in most religions, is an important component to being religious. However, that does not mean if you say something nasty, once, your ability to identify as religious is revoked.
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So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
 
Hatuey said:
It was mostly a joke. Calm down.
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I'm wondering how well you would react to a joke that involved Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X and a Klan meeting, that reflected negatively on the two men.

I suspect the answer is "not well".
 
Hatuey said:
So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
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James 1:27": Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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Here's the Bible's definition of religion. Welcome to religion my friend.
 
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Hatuey said:
So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
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Hatuey, I already said it's a matter of degree and a matter of what the tenets of that religion are. If an atheist is good to their fellow man are they religious? Is that a tenet of atheism that indicates that to be true? No, so the answer is no.

I'm not arguing what the definition of "is" is, you're arguing it's either "black or white". It isn't.
 
Goshin said:
I'm wondering how well you would react to a joke that involved Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X and a Klan meeting, that reflected negatively on the two men.

I suspect the answer is "not well".
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Don't really care. Ask Jallman. :)
 
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