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Former KKK leader detained in Prague

1) No, you didn't read what I posted. They are not condemned because of what they say, but because of the consequences of what they say (threatening the public order by rehabilitating the nazis and inciting hatred towards Jews)

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2) Read the trial and answer their arguments!

Show me that it is not a "serious threat to public order"!

Show me that it is not "incompatible with democracy and human rights"!

Show me that "two legitimate aims: "the prevention of disorder or crime" and "the protection of the reputation or rights of others"" are not legitimate aims!

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3) Oh, and it's funny to see that when a human right is (thought to be) not respected abroad (in this case in Europe), everyone says it is bad, but when the same human rights (...the right not to be tortured) is violated in the USA, everyone seems to think that it is necessary!!

All that this tells me again is that he hurt a bunch of peoples feelings saying crap that isn't true.

I may not agree with what he has to say but I'll defend his right to say it.

Why you may ask, because the freedom of speech is more important than hurt feelings.
 
Why you may ask, because the freedom of speech is more important than hurt feelings.

Not in Europe, obviously. It's more important there to not expose the people to lies because they, apparently, can't tell the difference and might suddenly begin believing these untrue things unless the speakers of fairy tales are arrested and silenced.
 
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My apologies. If you would kindly submit your list of things you would like to hear me bitch about, let's get that out of the way now so we can eventually get back to the TOPIC.

Both are laws that are made to protect social order.


That's fine. One rarely hears a sheep raise dissent.

Weak debating

That was an observation. If you would like an example of an insult, kindly see me in the Basement.

That would be useless



Well you do have a point there. Europe has already shown that it was too weak to stop the rise of Hitler from among its ranks so, perhaps, keeping the responsibility that comes with free expression out of the hands of Europeans is probably not a bad idea.

You don't get it


I didn't say you weren't democracies.

You said we are less democratic. That is not true at all. If you don't believe me then go to freedomhouse.org

What I did say is that the USA is stronger both socially

that does not make sense

and democratically because we don't need to send government goon squads to silence offensive speech. We handle it like adults here in America.

Having a different form of government does not make you "stronger" or "better". We have different histories.


Well if we were talking about Bush and torture, you would have a point. However, we aren't so you don't. That's a whole different topic of conversation and if you would like, kindly start a thread on it and I would be happy to show you the truth on that matter, too.

Not at all, I'll use simple words so that you understand:

debating about human rights in Europe => everyone says Europe sucks and is wrong

debating about human rights in the USA => everyone tries to find excuses like "it was necessary"

Just read that thread. I think all the US posters said they'd be OK to use torture.
 
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My apologies. If you would kindly submit your list of things you would like to hear me bitch about, let's get that out of the way now so we can eventually get back to the TOPIC.

Both are laws that are made to protect social order.




Weak debating



That would be useless





You don't get it




You said we are less democratic. That is not true at all. If you don't believe me then go to freedomhouse.org



that does not make sense



Having a different form of government does not make you "stronger" or "better". We have different histories.




Not at all, I'll use simple words so that you understand:

debating about human rights in Europe => everyone says Europe sucks and is wrong

debating about human rights in the USA => everyone tries to find excuses like "it was necessary"

Just read that thread. I think all the US posters said they'd be OK to use torture.

When you decide to toss aside the "nuh-huh" tactic and abandon your red herrings, we can get back to the topic of conversation which is Europe's spineless need to control the speech and thoughts of those it disagrees with.

Until then, we will just consider the "Case of the Failing Continent of Europe" to be a closed matter.
 
When you decide to toss aside the "nuh-huh" tactic and abandon your red herrings, we can get back to the topic of conversation which is Europe's spineless need to control the speech and thoughts of those it disagrees with.

Until then, we will just consider the "Case of the Failing Continent of Europe" to be a closed matter.

I'm sorry but it's impossible to debate as long as you insult me or call any argument "of topic" or "red herrings"
 
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I'm sorry but it's impossible to debate as long as you insult me or call any argument "of topic" or "red herrings"

It is not my problem that you cannot justify Europe's suppression of speech and expression without irrelevantly pointing at a completely different practice of another continent.
 
It is not my problem that you cannot justify Europe's suppression of speech and expression without irrelevantly pointing at a completely different practice of another continent.

How could I defend my point of view if I can't make any comparison?
 
How could I defend my point of view if I can't make any comparison?

You aren't defending your point of view by pointing to the alleged torture practices of America. You are saying, "America does worse stuff so look at them and not us".

I would suggest defending your point of view by detailing why you do what you do and how that makes Europe a better place instead of focusing on why the USA is supposed to be a worse place.
 
You aren't defending your point of view by pointing to the alleged torture practices of America. You are saying, "America does worse stuff so look at them and not us".

I was not saying that torture was good or wrong, I just observe that posters are very critical towards foreign countries and usually try to find excuse for what happens in theirs

Also, you said that laws that protect social order are a sign of weakness of a society on the edge of collapsing. I point out that similar laws exist and have the same goal, but you don't bitch at them.



I would suggest defending your point of view by detailing why you do what you do

The court has explained it and you failed to debunk its arguments

and how that makes Europe a better place instead of focusing on why the USA is supposed to be a worse place

I was not saying that the USA are better or worse, I was saying that there are similar things everywhere, but when it is in the USA you seem to find them more acceptable than when they are in Europe
 
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