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Pelosi briefed on waterboarding in '02 [UPDATED]

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What did She know and when did she and other Democrats know it?

In a few hours Pelosi gets caught in a lie... or she simply showing signs of declining mental health.

This will get really juicy if they begin a witch hunt on Bush Advisers... Pelosi should be the first to be grilled under oath.

Glenn Thrush's Blog: Pelosi briefed on waterboarding in '02 [UPDATED] - POLITICO.com
Nancy Pelosi denies knowing U.S. officials used waterboarding — but GOP operatives are pointing to a 2007 Washington Post story which describes an hour-long 2002 briefing in which Pelosi was told about enhanced interrogation techniques in graphic detail.

Which contradicts her earlier statement (lie).

Pelosi: I didn't know about waterboarding

Pelosi says she was briefed by Bush administration officials on the legal justification for using waterboarding — but that they never followed through on promises to inform her when they actually began using "enhanced" interrogation techniques

There is an explanation for her lack of memory; Plastic Surgery Dementia
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Obama, etc have lost control of the issue and she wants to remove blame on herself by any means necessary. So the whole " I didn't know who I was. Where I was. What was occurring?"..aka "I never noticed"

I find it funny that she is trying to play the "never noticed" card of the Obama deck. Its simply absurd that while heading the House Committee on Intelligence that she was not briefed nor took part in her job.

She is lying and badly.


2010 is not looking to be a good Democrat year. :doh
 
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Obama, etc have lost control of the issue and she wants to remove blame on herself by any means necessary. So the whole " I didn't know who I was. Where I was. What was occurring?"..aka "I never noticed"

I find it funny that she is trying to play the "never noticed" card of the Obama deck. Its simply absurd that while heading the House Committee on Intelligence that she was not briefed nor took part in her job.

She is lying and badly.


2010 is not looking to be a good Democrat year. :doh

This is national security... and she pleads "No Brain"... Think of what it will be like with Socialized Medicine?

The worst of it is these people will be dead or on their way... long out of office when "it" hits the fan; just as Ted Kennedy made abysmal predictions in the mid 60's with illegal immigration... LONG FORGOTTEN... so will it be with Social Med.

As for 2010... If Obama can get elected... anything is possible during the midterms.

All this is just too damn bizarro to make sane, rational predictions.

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What did She know and when did she and other Democrats know it?

In a few hours Pelosi gets caught in a lie... or she simply showing signs of declining mental health.

This will get really juicy if they begin a witch hunt on Bush Advisers... Pelosi should be the first to be grilled under oath.

Which contradicts her earlier statement (lie).

There is an explanation for her lack of memory; Plastic Surgery Dementia

There were many other Democrats who also knew of these methods being used. As the TRUTH gets out, they will be exposed as the liars and hypocrites many with a brain already know.

The Liberals and Democrats are painting themselves into a corner they cannot extract themselves from. It will only get better when and if, during another serious National emergency, they decide that water boarding makes perfect sense.

It's kind of like the blatant lies and hypocrisy of Liberals when they railed about Bush's deficits, which when Republicans were in power had dropped to less than $200 billion, but now think that $1.8 trillion is pocket change!

But wait, I think Obama may have found a WHOLE $100 million savings! Only one trillion and 799 billion to go. :rofl
 
Let's see if ADK comes in here demanding Pelosi be tried jsut as she demands the Bush Admin lawyers be prosecuted.
 
Let's see if ADK comes in here demanding Pelosi be tried jsut as she demands the Bush Admin lawyers be prosecuted.

I would advise you to NOT hold your breath waiting for his response. :rofl

But of course, they will claim that Bush made them do it. :rofl
 
The Liberals and Democrats are painting themselves into a corner they cannot extract themselves from. It will only get better when and if, during another serious National emergency, they decide that water boarding makes perfect sense.
Indeed, it is already happening.

  • Pakistan on the verge of collapse
  • An emboldened Taliban
  • An emboldened terrorist movement targeting India
  • And just today, twin suicide bombings in Iraq

Having declared the weapons of a war against terrorists to be off limits, Dear Leader's administration has left itself defenseless against terrorists. What fear has a terrorist of a nation that will only incarcerate him, that will feed him, clothe him, honor his religious needs, as the just due for slaying thousands of that nation's people?

If terrorists were to meet the nations of the world on conventional battlefields, if they were to press their various causes with conventional arms, conventional tactics, and conventional forces, there would be sound argument for keeping response restrained to the conventions of war.

Terrorists reject all convention of war. They despise all convention of war. They condemn convention of war as weakness and impurity of spirit.

By applying the conventions of war to the most unconventional of wars, Dear Leader and his liberal advisors remove themselves from the unconventional battlefield. They are thus missing in action in this unconventional war, and failing miserably in their duty to defend the nation.
 
Indeed, it is already happening.

  • Pakistan on the verge of collapse
  • An emboldened Taliban
  • An emboldened terrorist movement targeting India
  • And just today, twin suicide bombings in Iraq

Having declared the weapons of a war against terrorists to be off limits, Dear Leader's administration has left itself defenseless against terrorists. What fear has a terrorist of a nation that will only incarcerate him, that will feed him, clothe him, honor his religious needs, as the just due for slaying thousands of that nation's people?

If terrorists were to meet the nations of the world on conventional battlefields, if they were to press their various causes with conventional arms, conventional tactics, and conventional forces, there would be sound argument for keeping response restrained to the conventions of war.

Terrorists reject all convention of war. They despise all convention of war. They condemn convention of war as weakness and impurity of spirit.

By applying the conventions of war to the most unconventional of wars, Dear Leader and his liberal advisors remove themselves from the unconventional battlefield. They are thus missing in action in this unconventional war, and failing miserably in their duty to defend the nation.

And that stated; I will never support another effort that places our troops into harms way because this country has shown immense disrespect for their sacrifice and efforts and doesn't deserve such support; that is until this country extracts its collective head from their collective asses and learns how to support an effort once the decisions are made regardless of their political perspectives and possible partisan political gain.
 
Let's see if ADK comes in here demanding Pelosi be tried jsut as she demands the Bush Admin lawyers be prosecuted.

You couldn't waterboard a statement like that out of him. ;)

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I would advise you to NOT hold your breath waiting for his response.

But of course, they will claim that Bush made them do it.

They were under duress. :cool:
 
There were many other Democrats who also knew of these methods being used. As the TRUTH gets out, they will be exposed as the liars and hypocrites many with a brain already know.

The Liberals and Democrats are painting themselves into a corner they cannot extract themselves from. It will only get better when and if, during another serious National emergency, they decide that water boarding makes perfect sense.

It's kind of like the blatant lies and hypocrisy of Liberals when they railed about Bush's deficits, which when Republicans were in power had dropped to less than $200 billion, but now think that $1.8 trillion is pocket change!

But wait, I think Obama may have found a WHOLE $100 million savings! Only one trillion and 799 billion to go. :rofl

Another bit of Libs Behaving Badly was Bush's "Read My Lips" change of heart to please... Libs.

After the tax hike was signed, the Libs stood around Bush 41 like the cat that ate the canary.

In the next election the photo and bipartisanship was forgotten and out came the long knives about his breaking his "No new taxes" pledge.

Clinton wins and... raises taxes.

These people are nasty, lying, devious dolts.

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... What fear has a terrorist of a nation that will only incarcerate him, that will feed him, clothe him, honor his religious needs, as the just due for slaying thousands of that nation's people?

If terrorists were to meet the nations of the world on conventional battlefields, if they were to press their various causes with conventional arms, conventional tactics, and conventional forces, there would be sound argument for keeping response restrained to the conventions of war.

Terrorists reject all convention of war. They despise all convention of war. They condemn convention of war as weakness and impurity of spirit.

And we hear virtually no condemnation of these terrorist cretins... it's all aimed at the US!
Amazing, ridiculous, and dangerous.

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Another bit of Libs Behaving Badly was Bush's "Read My Lips" change of heart to please... Libs.

After the tax hike was signed, the Libs stood around Bush 41 like the cat that ate the canary.

In the next election the photo and bipartisanship was forgotten and out came the long knives about his breaking his "No new taxes" pledge.

Clinton wins and... raises taxes.

These people are nasty, lying, devious dolts.

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That issue and others are what I didn't like about BOTH Bushes; the thought that they could get along with these cretins and actually work with them while they stabbed them in the back.

Thanks for remembering and reminding. :2wave:
 
Another bit of Libs Behaving Badly was Bush's "Read My Lips" change of heart to please... Libs.

After the tax hike was signed, the Libs stood around Bush 41 like the cat that ate the canary.

In the next election the photo and bipartisanship was forgotten and out came the long knives about his breaking his "No new taxes" pledge.

Clinton wins and... raises taxes.

These people are nasty, lying, devious dolts.

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How is it "behaving badly" to point out that Bush went back on his promise to not raise taxes? The actual tax increases where not the issue, his going back on his word was. Two entirely seperate issues.
 
And we hear virtually no condemnation of these terrorist cretins... it's all aimed at the US!
Amazing, ridiculous, and dangerous.

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Huh? I know of no one who thinks of terrorists as anything other than the lowest forms of life on Earth. Opinions on terrorists have no bearing on my opinions of what we should do, and since I cannot change what the terrorists do, but may be able to, in some small way, influence what my country is doing, I talk much more about this country, and what I see as the mistakes we make.
 
The immediate response to 9/11 from groups like MoveOn as well as the general theme of the left over the past 7 years clearly shows they do not view Terrorists(btw its "man made disasters") as "the lowest forms of life on Earth"

They put them above the USA and its people.




Obama made that clear as day again with this whole thing.
 
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Opinions on terrorists have no bearing on my opinions of what we should do, and since I cannot change what the terrorists do, but may be able to, in some small way, influence what my country is doing, I talk much more about this country, and what I see as the mistakes we make.

But you can change what the terrorists do if you are willing to fight them by allowing your country to fight them. Enough of the no profiling, set them all free, discomfort=torture, mantra that only emboldens the terrorists. We need to kill them and/or hurt them until they tell us everything they know.
 
How is it "behaving badly" to point out that Bush went back on his promise to not raise taxes? The actual tax increases where not the issue, his going back on his word was. Two entirely seperate issues.

Bush 41 appeased the Left. I guess you missed that vital point.
He did it to get along with the scum... proven by their behavior.
They smiled along in the photo op.

THEN THEY RAISED TAXES.
(After promising a tax break!)

Then they used it against 41.
It's how you folks operate.
No class.
No morals.

If it's not something like this... it's Foley or Craig, while your tax cheats get Cabinet positions.
 
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But you can change what the terrorists do if you are willing to fight them by allowing your country to fight them. Enough of the no profiling, set them all free, discomfort=torture, mantra that only emboldens the terrorists. We need to kill them and/or hurt them until they tell us everything they know.

I cannot personally do this though. I can personally work to make my country better.

Oh, and by the way, I have seen no real evidence that your method works. No country that I can thik of is more severe whan it comes to fighting terrorism than Isreal, and they surely have not beaten terrorism by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Bush appeased the Left. I guess you missed that vital point.
He did it to get along with the scum... proven by their behavior.
They smiled along in the photo op.

THEN THEY RAISED TAXES.
(After promising a tax break!)

Then they used it against him.
It's how you folks operate.
No class.
No morals.

If it's not something like this... it's Foley or Craig, while your tax cheats get Cabinet positions.

I think I still do not see your point. When "the left" used the "no new taxes" thing against Bush, it had nothing actually to do with his raising taxes directly, it had to do with Bush's trustworthyness. Bush's reasons for raising taxes, and "the left" agreeing with those tax increases are totally irrelevant to the issue "the left" raised.

On the other hand, I totally agree with you on tax cheats getting cabinet positions.
 
I cannot personally do this though. I can personally work to make my country better.

Oh, and by the way, I have seen no real evidence that your method works. No country that I can thik of is more severe whan it comes to fighting terrorism than Isreal, and they surely have not beaten terrorism by any stretch of the imagination.

First thing that would make this country better is to make it safe.
Get control of our borders. Government can't get this fundamental accomplished... yet they want to take on everything they can and then some.
Get info by infiltrating, eavesdropping on the enemy.
Get info from locals.
Financials.

And beat the living **** out of the terrorist cowards on their perverted battlefield (hospitals, schools, Mosques) battle field.
They wanted this war... now lets give them so much of what they asked for that they are wrecks... shells... fearful... submissive little bitches.

That is the foundation that makes it possible for you to "personally work to make my country better."

When you and the masses are fearful... it seriously hinders work to make America better because you are being denied Liberty.

As for Israel... peace will be won through force.
Talks are useless.
To have peace they have to do what they did with the Egyptians.

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Did any of you neo-cons ever think about this? What if Pelosi, and that small group, were indeed given a walk thru and maybe even given those specifics that you hope she was given re: water boarding. There is a very good chance that all of that group was legally prevented from discussing, "with anyone", what they saw and what they were told.

While I am looking for intelligent responses, I look forward to being entertained by your twisted, right wing :spin: on this very possible scenario. :cool:
 
Did any of you neo-cons ever think about this? What if Pelosi, and that small group, were indeed given a walk thru and maybe even given those specifics that you hope she was given re: water boarding. There is a very good chance that all of that group was legally prevented from discussing, "with anyone", what they saw and what they were told.

While I am looking for intelligent responses, I look forward to being entertained by your twisted, right wing :spin: on this very possible scenario. :cool:

If what you say is true than why is she talking about it now and why has she denied that she knew about it. If she truley felt it was wrong she could have done something its not like it would be the first leak of confidential info from a politician.

The only thing more sad than the way democrats condunct themselves is that the republicans are not any better and as long as we keep argue about which party is better the longer both parties will be able to get away with being lying greedy scum that only look out for themselves and not what is good for the country.
 
Did any of you neo-cons ever think about this? What if Pelosi, and that small group, were indeed given a walk thru and maybe even given those specifics that you hope she was given re: water boarding. There is a very good chance that all of that group was legally prevented from discussing, "with anyone", what they saw and what they were told.
The prohibition of discussion would apply only with those not already privy to the information.

Nothing in the briefing or the sanction would preclude those members of both Houses of Congress so briefed from submitting to the DCI or even the President a confidential and classified memorandum outlining principled opposition to the policy. Had such a memorandum been made part of the official record back then, then it would be clear now that, by silence, Democrats in Congress did not give their consent to such practices and policies.

Nothing in the briefing or the sanction precludes those members of Congress bringing to the floor of the Congress a bill mandating the declassification and divulging of the material contained in the briefing, for an open and proper debate on the material and its ramifications. Had such a bill been brought, Congress would have had the opportunity to stop any acts it deemed abusive, and to institute proper sanctions for such abuses.

Additionally, Congress is briefed because, by statute and Constitutional authority it is empowered with oversight into such realms. If the policy is wrong, if the policy violates US law, the Congress' charge at such times is to call the President to account. If Congress disclaims the ability to fulfill that function, they not only disclaim the right and need for such briefings, but they, by their declamation, abandons their explicit duties under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:
  • To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
  • To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
  • To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
  • To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

By these powers Congress and not the President is charged with establishing the rules even for CIA interrogators.

Article II Section 3 of the Constitution charges the President with giving to the Congress information on the state of the Union, and empowers the President to recommend to the Congress such measures "as he shall judge necessary and expedient."

Thus the briefings are mandated, not by will of Congress or even by the will of the President, but by the Constitution. And, by the Constitution, the final say on whether certain rules should stand or fall is given to the Congress and NOT the President.

Thus when Congress chooses silence when presented with the policies, protocols, and procedures authorized for use in CIA interrogations, when Congress chooses silence when told that the CIA IS waterboarding, as Congress has the final say on whether such policies, protocols, and procedures should stand, their silence can be none other than tacit approval.

Secrecy does not absolve Congress of their duty, nor can it absolve Pelosi of her complicity. If waterboarding is wrong, she had a duty to speak and she did not. She, and the rest of Congress including her fellow Democrats, had the power to stop such action immediately, and chose to look the other way. To now argue that such actions are abhorrent and unconscionable is a disgusting hypocrisy even for Democrats.
 
You really believe Bush ran the white house as it was supposed to be run, don't you? Hopefully, we'll find out more soon.

Maybe Cheney will "leak" his big secrets. Nothing got in his way when he wanted to attack Joe Wilson and his CIA spy wife, in a very treasonist manner. I wonder what can be stopping him now. Hmmm............
 
You really believe Bush ran the white house as it was supposed to be run, don't you? Hopefully, we'll find out more soon.
What I know is that Congress abdicated its Constitutional duties, either out of deference to the Commander-In-Chief or out of simple cowardice.

If Bush was running the White House inappropriately, the duty fell upon the Congress to apply appropriate correction.

That no such correction was applied means that Congress gave tacit approval (whether appropriate to give or no) to Bush's command decisions in the Oval Office. For Congress to now revisit those decisions and impute criminality to them is a level of hypocrisy rare even for Democrats.
 
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