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Apollo 14 Astronaut: Space Aliens Are Real

celticlord said:
I don't quarrel with the notion that there are other forms of life in the Universe.

I do quarrel with the notion that government bureaucrats can keep a secret this complex for this length of time.
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If there is a cover-up, I have my doubts that the bureaucrats would be in on it. I would think it would be military and intelligence agency cover-up, and they know better than to trust their cover-up to the bureaucracy.

That being said, I don't really think there is a cover up. I remain open-minded to the possibility that alien encounters could be real.

For the most part, I'm with the "If it's real, just tell us. We can handle it" crowd.

One of the things that makes me think that a cover-up is possible (albeit unlikely) is the way that the War of the Worlds radio broadcast caused people to do all of the goofy **** that they did. That would have been a factor on the decision to have a cover-up to begin with (if such a cover-up were to exist).

But like I said, until I see real no-**** evidence, I'll remain skeptical.
 
Besides, all of this rests on the idea the government(s) wield enough power to keep beings who have perfected interstellar travel from revealing themselves unequivocally if they wanted to.

There is not a shred of evidence to support the idea. If you believe it despite the lack of evidence, I don't really want to hear much from you about how irrational religious people are. :roll:
 
Tucker Case said:
For the most part, I'm with the "If it's real, just tell us. We can handle it" crowd.
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Do not underestimate the immaturity of the human race. Millions of people freaked out over Janet Jackson's nipple and billions of people believe in supernatural dieties who grant wishes and eternal life. If you tell people that there are superiorally advanced alien beings out there, visiting earth and abduct people against their will...ahem.

I do not think that aliens would abduct us or even land on earth or be able to live amongst us. I bacteria that we are immune to could wipe out their own species. I doubt an advanced alien race would as stupid or as foolish as to risk that in order to put a rod up a cow's or hillbillies ass. It is not very likely.
 
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I knew there was a reason I always wanted to find a UV camera!
 
new coup for you said:
I've always hoped so much that aliens are real, otherwise the universe would be so crushingly empty.
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An ever-expanding, infinite universe IS crushingly empty, even though it is populated by an infinte number of beings just like you.
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Harshaw said:
Besides, all of this rests on the idea the government(s) wield enough power to keep beings who have perfected interstellar travel from revealing themselves unequivocally if they wanted to.
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Thats true.
However, its always, and not so insanely, possible that there was some sort of accident that 'revealed' them to us, in therms of wreckage, etc -- even Starbuck has a bad day once in a while.
 
Kandahar said:
In their particular cases, it may not have anything to do with lying or deception (although in many cases it does). I think a better analogy are the delusional people who truly believe they've talked to God or had some other religious experience. After all, that's essentially what UFO encounters are: Religious experiences.

There is ZERO evidence of any UFO encounters.
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COLONEL PHILIP CORSO wrote a book entitled the Day After Roswell that was really good. Anywayz the forward was glowingly written by Strom Thurmond in the first edition! bwahahaha. Thurmond spends the entire forward talking about how credible Colonel Philip Corso is and what an admirable career the man had as an army intelligence officer. When later editions were printed Thurmond demanded his forward be removed as he had no idea the thing was a book about the aliens that are visiting us! To Thurmond's credit I believe he had no idea it was about aliens because nothing in the forward even hinted at the possibility of aliens. But still, it was funny and I have that book with the Thurmond forward. :mrgreen:
 
celticlord said:
I don't quarrel with the notion that there are other forms of life in the Universe.

I do quarrel with the notion that government bureaucrats can keep a secret this complex for this length of time.
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Government bureaucrats don't keep the secret. Many of them slip up, write books, do movies and then are promptly labeled insane. :mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
Thats true.
However, its always, and not so insanely, possible that there was some sort of accident that 'revealed' them to us, in therms of wreckage, etc -- even Starbuck has a bad day once in a while.
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Yes, and that's one of the problems -- that any such "mistakes" must have occurred only where there are governments capable of covering it up. That was mentioned above.

In any case, there's not a shred of evidence for any of it.
 
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Harshaw said:
Yes, and that's one of the problems -- that any such "mistakes" must have occurred only where there are governments capable of covering it up.
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Well, OK -- but if there's only been a handful of mistakes, what's so hard to believe about that? Its more likely that a mistake would land in the ocean than anywhere else, and the likelyhood of the few that did not landed somewhere like here isnt' THAT far-fetched.
 
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Goobieman said:
Well, OK -- but if there's only been a handful of mistakes, what's so hard to believe about that? Its more likely that a mistake would land in the ocean than anywhere else, and the likelyhood of the few that did not landed somewhere like here isnt' THAT far-fetched.
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Maybe, but 1) the possibility of something isn't evidence that it happened, and 2) if you accept it as true, it raises quite a few more reason-defying questions, such as why the government is covering it up in the first place, and why, once revealed to the human population (the government), the aliens would bother with continued obscurity.

ESPECIALLY when they're supposedly making crop circles, etc..
 
Harshaw said:
Maybe, but 1) the possibility of something isn't evidence that it happened
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Of course not.
But, if somoene asks 'why havent see seen 'x', then presenting a reasonable possibility as to why is not out of order.

2) if you accept it as true, it raises quite a few more reason-defying questions, such as why the government is covering it up in the first place, and why, once revealed to the human population (the government), the aliens would bother with continued obscurity.
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There's nothing worn with these questions, as they too have reasonably plauible answers.

ESPECIALLY when they're supposedly making crop circles, etc..
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I prefer to stick with crash-landing their Vipers.
 
Goobieman said:
Of course not.
But, if somoene asks 'why havent see seen 'x', then presenting a reasonable possibility as to why is not out of order.


There's nothing worn with these questions, as they too have reasonably plauible answers.
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That's pretty much the point. You have to add layer after layer of Copernican retrograde as more and more of these perfectly reasonable questions come up.

Which is why you get all these nutball conspiracy theories about the government and the aliens acting in collusion to keep it hushed, etc..

Attempting to explain the lack of evidence is by no means actually presenting evidence.
 
Harshaw said:
That's pretty much the point. You have to add layer after layer of Copernican retrograde as more and more of these perfectly reasonable questions come up.

Which is why you get all these nutball conspiracy theories about the government and the aliens acting in collusion to keep it hushed, etc..

Attempting to explain the lack of evidence is by no means actually presenting evidence.
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Yes... but then, absence of proof isnt proof of absence.

You're attacking the issue with the idea that 'it cannot be, because...' and then ask a question as to why something isn't so, operating under the presumtion that if there WERE aliens, the condition posed in the questions must exist.

There's any number of those questions and any number of answers to them. Askig them doesn't prove anything.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes... but then, absence of proof isnt proof of absence.
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No, but unless you're asserting that something known to exist was destroyed, you don't have to prove that something doesn't exist -- and you can't anyway.

You're attacking the issue with the idea that 'it cannot be, because...' and then ask a question as to why something isn't so, operating under the presumtion that if there WERE aliens, the condition posed in the questions must exist.

There's any number of those questions and any number of answers to them. Askig them doesn't prove anything.
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I'm merely asking the questions which must be answered if the claims are true.
 
Kandahar said:
I think it's rather convenient to give credibility to fantastic claims that don't have a single shred of evidence to back them up.



UFO sightings were invented by humans too. :roll:



For incidents such as that, what do you think is the more rational explanation: That an alien spaceship crashed in Canada, or that some sort of military vessel crashed? Come on, use a little Occam's Razor here...



Governments can't even waterboard or wiretap people without getting caught. What makes you think that the world's governments would be able to keep THIS a secret? Why hasn't a UFO ever crashed in some African or Central Asian country with no functional government to engineer a coverup? Funny how these sightings always seem to happen in countries where UFOs are a part of pop culture...



And I believe that UFO conspiracy theories are howling-at-the-moon lunacy...even moreso than most other conspiracy theories. At least most other conspiracy theories don't presuppose the existence of extraterrestrial visitors for which there is absolutely no evidence.
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The term "UFO" is modern but sightings are not. Even before modern aviation technology, people were seeing weird things in the sky.

Look, I'm not saying aliens are for sure visiting us or watching us, but I'm open to the possibility. I don't believe in absolutes when it comes to this subject... yet you do, for some reason. Anyway, that's your choice.
 
Having seen numerous UFO videos over the years, the most amazing thing isn't that intelligent alien life exists elsewhere. It's that they've somehow managed to travel thousands of light years to Earth in a '76 Ford hubcap wobbling from a string.
 
Orius said:
The term "UFO" is modern but sightings are not. Even before modern aviation technology, people were seeing weird things in the sky.
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OK, but that doesn't imply extraterrestrial visitors. That just means that people were seeing weird things in the sky.

The vast majority of UFO sightings have occurred since UFOs became a part of pop culture in the 1940s...which coincidentally was the same time the US military began developing high-tech space and air vehicles.

Orius said:
Look, I'm not saying aliens are for sure visiting us or watching us, but I'm open to the possibility. I don't believe in absolutes when it comes to this subject... yet you do, for some reason. Anyway, that's your choice.
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I don't believe in absolutes on this subject. I would be highly surprised if extraterrestrial life DIDN'T exist. But whether or not it's visiting us is a completely different question. There is not a single shred of evidence for any "close encounters." That puts UFOs in the same category as ghosts, Santa Claus, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, or Big Foot: Myths.
 
I saw an Alien once.

It was jumping a fence.

No wait, maybe it was swimming.

I don't remember, the Government is too busy secretly systematically destroying them.
 
Kandahar said:
Like I said before, it isn't necessarily that he's lying (although he might be). Religious-based delusions are an equally valid explanation.



If even 0.05% of unicorn sightings were true, then that would mean there are at least hundreds of truthful reports of unicorns.

Is there any evidence that even 0.05% of UFO reports are true and not related to human activity?



But...there is no evidence...for any UFO claims. None.
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There certainly is evidence of many civilizations since the beginning of human history of man looking to the stars with the belief of more life out there.
 
creativedreams said:
There certainly is evidence of many civilizations since the beginning of human history of man looking to the stars with the belief of more life out there.
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The probability of extraterrestrial life has nothing to do with flying saucers or crop circles or alien abductions or close encounters or government coverups or any of the other urban legends associated with UFOs.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Come on Vich give this a break, he was freaking astronaut.
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There are enough crackpots that it shouldn't be surprising that one of them happened to be an astronaut.

Harry Guerrilla said:
Not everything is crackpot.
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This guy certainly sounds like it. And until he backs up his fantastic claims with solid evidence, I will regard him as such.
 
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