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I personally don't understand - nor will I ever understand - an American citizen endorsing torture on another human being for purposes of information, security, or both. Far too many people rally behind the belief that we are engaging in torture to protect our country, but what about the basic human values we believe in? If torture and cruelty become policy, then so much for our belief in individual rights. The Constitution recognizes that man has an inherent right, not bestowed by the state or laws, to liberty of person and personal dignity - including the right to be free of cruelty. The spirit and ideals in the Constitution applies to all human beings, not just those in America. It even applies to those designated as 'unlawful enemy combatants.' The Constitution embodies every ideal and value we believe in as a nation, and that better men than myself gave their lives to secure. I don't think we should throw all this away just to get information which could be gathered in a more humane way. Honestly...the fact that so many people embrace torture as potential policy is somewhat disturbing to me.
I'm not sure if McCain ever flip-flopped on the torture issue, but he had a damn good quote on the subject.
"Our enemies didn't adhere to the Geneva Convention. Many of my comrades were subjected to very cruel, very inhumane and degrading treatment, a few of them even unto death. But every one of us -- every single one of us -- knew and took great strength from the belief that we were different from our enemies, that we were better than them, that we, if the roles were reversed, would not disgrace ourselves by committing or countenancing such mistreatment of them." - John McCain
How quaint to post this quote when the end result of that war was allowing the North Vietnamese to not only get away with their war crimes and illegal torture and abuse of their prisoners, but allow them to break their treaty with us and our ally and re-invade an ally we promised to aid in that event and instead abandoned; which resulted in the subsequent deaths of untold millions.
How trite for Liberals to argue about morality but who think NOTHING about the sanctity of life for an unborn child or a family pleading to keep their daughter alive through artificial means, and not blink an eye at the efforts and crimes committed by those the previous Administration tried to protect us from using humane forms to extract critical information.
This issue is almost as hypocritical and offensive as their idiotic rants about the tiny deficits during the same administration they claim are war criminals yet now think NOTHING of $1.8 trillion deficits without any debate about how to pay for them.
It is as specious as suggesting that the 3,000 plus men and women of our military died not because of the actions of despicable terrorists who want to kill even greater numbers of our citizens, but rather would blame the previous administration; you cannot fabricate the level of ignorance it takes to make such asinine arguments.
The only thing MORE amazing than these patently partisan political asinine attempts is that MORE Americans haven't been saying enough is enough!
We ought to impeach the entire Democrat House and Senate leaders and this President for rabid ignorance, naiveté and stupidity.