Obama, April 16: A demand for these drugs in the United States is what is helping to keep these cartels in business.
This is a well established truth.
This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.
This was an inaccurate statement on his part. Even Mexican officials don't put the "90%" comment out accurately. The ATF has stated that 90% of guns recovered from criminal incidents in Mexico, with serial numbers, submitted to the ATF for tracing, are shown to come the U.S.
Oops, your statement is shot all to hell. Perhaps you can find these shops Obama is referring too. Clinton and Obama have both stated that stopping the flow of guns from the US into Mexico is key to our border security. Yet were not seeing or hearing about any efforts to crack down on these "gun shops that line our shared border".
No, my statement is not "shot all to hell." You are being selectively reliant upon the absence of detail, which is curious as you rail on Obama over the same issue. Firearms are "traced" by their serial number primarily. That number is linked to the manufacturer, country of origin, reseller, usually the first person who purchases the weapon, and occasionally eventual purchasers. The statements that the ATF, Obama, Clinton, etc. in no way indicate that the gun shop owner is the one who sold the weapon to the drug cartel. All it actually indicates is that at some point in the life of this firearm, federal records show it passed through a specific gun reseller in the U.S. It does not say that a drug cartel gun buyer came in and bought the weapons and shipped them to Mexico.
Have you ever been to a gun show the size of say the one in Tulsa? I have been there a few times and bought a couple of rifles and a pistol, completely untraceable purchases because there was no log created, not even a receipt for purchase. One I bought in the parking lot from a guy who had just bought it inside. Now if that gun were to be used by me in a crime, and the ATF investigated, they would find a trail that stopped long before it got to me. That in no way means that the folks who are identified and linked to this weapon had anything to do with selling a criminal a gun, and therefore no raid would be necessary.
You don't have nearly enough information to make the anemic leap you have made in this case. Your interest is not to actually debate this topic in an honest manner, your interest is talking **** on Obama.
I'll never stop being critical of our elected officials, it's my duty as a citizen to question their actions every step of the way.
You're exercising very poor logic and selective criticism in this case.
I have been critical of DOJ/ATF/FBI, and as I've pointed out in many threads here, the claims are always suspiciously void of details.
You haven't been critical of the DOJ/ATF/FBI here. And this is the only conversation I've had with you on this specific issue. Your reliance on an assumption that people have read all of your works is in no way a safety net for your ill formulated argument in this thread. You are taking Obama's obvious mischaracterization of a frequently mischaracterized statistical figure and extrapolating beyond a reasonable conclusion in order to make a case for criticizing the man at this particular oppotunity.
The ATF has in fact generated reports based upon the actual gun information they have received from Mexican officials during criminal investigations. Just because GottaHurt can't find them on the internet or Obama doesn't cite the case files specifically doesn't mean they don't exist.
So your litany of assumptions here are really no foundation for the argument you are making. They are however very indicative of your true motivations.
When Obama blatantly & knowingly lies, then I will be even more critical of him.
Plop.
Again:
Obama, April 16: A demand for these drugs in the United States is what is helping to keep these cartels in business. This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.
He openly lied, on the world stage, after these numbers were proven to be false. Clinton tried foisting them on the public three weeks earlier:
The president isn't the first to make this mistaken claim; far from it. During an interview on CBS' "Early Show" on March 26, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: "We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America."
I'll agree that the 90% figure is being abused by the administration, but the intent behind the abuse is not yet solidified in my mind. I'll not dismiss that this could be a very deliberate line of deception in order to grab guns from Americans, however I seriously doubt that it goes that far. Let's face it, the pro-gun folks were all over this. Obama has publicly made that statement once, Clinton has publicly made that that statement once. They were addressing the U.S./Mexican relationship and the criminal elements they share, which are tied overwhelmingly in two areas: drugs and guns. Did they take advantage of the situation to drop the 90% line? Sure. Did they get it wrong and drop it out of its actual context? Sure. Was it a deliberate campaign of deception aimed at seizing guns? In my opinion, I don't think so. I think it was a dumb move aimed at over emphasizing the extent of the issue. YMMV.
The onus isn't on me to prove it. The onus is on the people making these bold claims.
Wrong, the onus is on you to back up
your specific insinuation, that a lack of federal raids on these gun shops means treachery is afoot. In fact you relied on a lack of information in the MSM as the foundation to launch your insinuation. Not a smart move.
And the point here is that the Mexican government seizes thousands of guns, that of the guns actually reported to the ATF by the Mexican government 90% are traced back to the U.S., that a large number of guns seized are not reported to the ATF, and the actual percentage of crime guns seized in Mexico that come from the U.S. is an elusive number.
Even the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. dropped the figure out of its actual context.