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US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

Then there is no right, either. And there's no point to any of this, no point to politics; no policy is any better than any other. No form of government and no act of government is any better than any other. There is no better or worse, there is only difference. People living free; people being herded into gas chambers -- it's all the same.
And every component of each of your particles, after innumerable recyclings, will eventually spread out so far across the ever-expanding universe that the light from one will never reach another.

If that doesnt deomostrate how nothing really matters, nothing will.
 
And every component of each of your particles, after innumerable recyclings, will eventually spread out so far across the ever-expanding universe that the light from one will never reach another.

If that doesnt deomostrate how nothing really matters, nothing will.

That's one possibility and actually there would be no light because there would be no stars.
 
That's one possibility and actually there would be no light because there would be no stars.
By 'light' I mean EM emissions. Sorry.
Never mind that you need not have a star to have light.
 
Whether this makes sense or not will be determined by the intelligence they will be gathering over the coming days/weeks/months.

I`m not so sure that,"intelligence", has a chance of makeing any kind of contribution here. This modern day high seas piracy has been going on ,full tilt, off all of the African coasts, for the last couple of decades now, and nothing has been done about it yet. Obama might pretend to do something,(photo ops and sound bites...complete with telepromters), but he truely is an idiot, elected,...( I mean installed in the office of the presidency) to perform as a figurehead. Lacking intelligence..., intelligence has no hope. Africa is an entirely criminal nation fully immersed in revolution and genocide all of the time. There is less hope, and much greater potential for interminable war in Africa, than in all of the deserts of the world. OH heck...now that I think about it, piracy has been going on for a little longer than i stated before...hmmm.
 
Oh, now you're all worried about the letter of the topic. :roll:

I'm not worried about anything. I just think it's funny that you are suddenly resorting to hyperbole.

Your argument in the topic is that there's no evil. I'm demonstrating exactly why your argument fails. If there's no evil, then there's no right. You very likely will not acknowledge that there is no right. Therefore, there is a right. And if there IS a right, then there's a wrong. You cannot have one without the other. A grand wrong is an evil.

There is no universally defined evil. Can you prove that there is? If there is, where does it come from? Who or what ultimately decides what is good or evil that overrides the opinions of every single person on the planet?
 
There is no universally defined evil.
Similarly, there must then be no universally defined good.

Murdering jews, helping the blind to see and the crippled to walk -- its all a matter of persepctive.

Right?
 
Similarly, there must then be no universally defined good.

Murdering jews, helping the blind to see and the crippled to walk -- its all a matter of persepctive.

Right?

If good and evil are universally defined then please tell me what figure ultimately decides which is which that would override the opinion of everyone?
 
I'm not worried about anything. I just think it's funny that you are suddenly resorting to hyperbole.

:roll: You're not too quick with picking up on rhetorical devices, are you? My statement was exactly in line with yours.


There is no universally defined evil. Can you prove that there is? If there is, where does it come from? Who or what ultimately decides what is good or evil that overrides the opinions of every single person on the planet?

You tell me. Why are your politics more right than anyone else's? And by "anyone," I do mean "anyone," including those Aryan Nations b*stards up in the hills?
 
:roll: You're not too quick with picking up on rhetorical devices, are you? My statement was exactly in line with yours.

Yeah, except grossly exaggerated. Try again. :roll:

You tell me. Why are your politics more right than anyone else's? And by "anyone," I do mean "anyone," including those Aryan Nations b*stards up in the hills?

They are right for me. If other people subscribe to similar beliefs good for them, but it's none of my business.
 
Yeah, except grossly exaggerated. Try again. :roll:

If you can't handle the logical conclusion of your own statement, I suggest you find different things to say.


They are right for me. If other people subscribe to similar beliefs good for them, but it's none of my business.

That's not the question. Why are yours right in any sense? We're not talking about your own personal conduct. Politics are about making rules for everyone, or at least groups of people, to follow. So, why are you right?
 
If you can't handle the logical conclusion of your own statement, I suggest you find different things to say.

Since when is hyperbole logical? :lol:

That's not the question. Why are yours right in any sense? We're not talking about your own personal conduct. Politics are about making rules for everyone, or at least groups of people, to follow. So, why are you right?

I'm not necessarily right or wrong. My beliefs work for me and are therefore right for me. If they are right for others good, if not i could care less.
 
If good and evil are universally defined then please tell me what figure ultimately decides which is which that would override the opinion of everyone?
You did not answer my question.

If you right, there must then be no universally defined good.

Murdering jews, helping the blind to see and the crippled to walk -- its all a matter of persepctive.

Right?
 
Since when is hyperbole logical? :lol:

It's not hyperbole. It's a logical conclusion fairly implied by what you said. Again, the fault is yours, not mine. I'm only pointing it out.


I'm not necessarily right or wrong. My beliefs work for me and are therefore right for me. If they are right for others good, if not i could care less.

You're just repeating yourself. Politics is about establishing rules for everyone, not just you.

Unless, of course, your political beliefs are that should be no rules at all. But I know that's far from the case.

So, why are your ideas of what the rules should be right?
 
It's not hyperbole. It's a logical conclusion fairly implied by what you said. Again, the fault is yours, not mine. I'm only pointing it out.

Most of the things you listed were extreme exaggerations...ie. hyperbole. I don't know how to make it any more clear for you.

You're just repeating yourself. Politics is about establishing rules for everyone, not just you.

Yes, but they are man made rules. They aren't necessarily what is right or wrong for everyone. A person can break those rules obviously but not without consequence. It doesn't make the rules right all of a sudden.

Unless, of course, your political beliefs are that should be no rules at all. But I know that's far from the case.

So, why are your ideas of what the rules should be right?

Again, they are right for me as they only apply to me. That's all I care about. I'm selfish like that.
 
Agreed ....

... and how are you today?

I am very well, thank you. The sun is finally trying to peek through and my evening plans are exciting.

I hope you are having an equally good day. :2wave:
 
You did not answer my question.

If you right, there must then be no universally defined good.

Murdering jews, helping the blind to see and the crippled to walk -- its all a matter of persepctive.

Right?

There is no universally defined good either.

And yes it is a matter of perspective. Obviously the nazis didn't believe that they were doing evil.
 
Most of the things you listed were extreme exaggerations...ie. hyperbole. I don't know how to make it any more clear for you.

No, they are real-world examples of things which actually happened, which, according to someone's point of view, are perfectly "understandable."

I find it hilarious that you seem to want to put logical limits on what you're saying, when you're defending the classic, long-recognized jus cogens atrocity of piracy.

Yes, but they are man made rules. They aren't necessarily what is right or wrong for everyone. A person can break those rules obviously but not without consequence. It doesn't make the rules right all of a sudden.

So, I guess we're back to no rules being any better than any other. If not, if some rules are more right than others, explain how.


Again, they are right for me as they only apply to me. That's all I care about. I'm selfish like that.

Yet, they are rules you want everyone to live by, if they're your politics. If not, then they're not actually politics, and you're simply evading the question.

One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.
 
There is no universally defined good either.

And yes it is a matter of perspective. Obviously the nazis didn't believe that they were doing evil.

Do you think the holocaust was an act of evil?
 
One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.

I'll answer the question for him. He's an egoist. He doesn't believe in right or wrong or justice or anything of that nature. He believes in the strong dominating the weak and actions being dictated by consequences. He doesn't believe in the rule of law or the golden rules or anything like that, though he benefits greatly from others' application of them. We are weak and he is strong and he will rape us repeatedly until we change our ways.
 
Do you think the holocaust was an act of evil?

Personally? I don't believe in evil, so no. Do I think it was a horrible thing? Yes. I obviously don't advocate the death of people for their race, religion, beliefs, etc.
 
Personally? I don't believe in evil, so no. Do I think it was a horrible thing? Yes. I obviously don't advocate the death of people for their race, religion, beliefs, etc.

Why was it horrible? Why don't you advocate it?
 
No, they are real-world examples of things which actually happened, which, according to someone's point of view, are perfectly "understandable."

I find it hilarious that you seem to want to put logical limits on what you're saying, when you're defending the classic, long-recognized jus cogens atrocity of piracy.

You can keep on trying to defend your hyperbole. It changes nothing.

So, I guess we're back to no rules being any better than any other. If not, if some rules are more right than others, explain how.

It depends on the perspective. Some rules are more right for some people others aren't.

Yet, they are rules you want everyone to live by, if they're your politics. If not, then they're not actually politics, and you're simply evading the question.

One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.

I don't necessarily think they are right on a large scale. As I've said many times, they are right for me and that's all I care about. I think it would be arrogant to assume that my personal views and way of living would be right for everyone.
 
Why was it horrible? Why don't you advocate it?

It was horrible because I personally think it's wrong to kill innocent people. Notice I said wrong...not evil. I don't advocate it because I was raised with the ideals that killing innocent people is wrong just as most of us were.
 
It was horrible because I personally think it's wrong to kill innocent people. Notice I said wrong...not evil. I don't advocate it because I was raised with the ideals that killing innocent people is wrong just as most of us were.

evil: 1 a: morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse> b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation>
2 aarchaic : inferior b: causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor> c: disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper>
3 a: causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery> b: marked by misfortune : unlucky

wrong:1 a: an injurious, unfair, or unjust act : action or conduct inflicting harm without due provocation or just cause b: a violation or invasion of the legal rights of another ; especially : tort
2: something wrong, immoral, or unethical ; especially : principles, practices, or conduct contrary to justice, goodness, equity, or law
3: the state, position, or fact of being or doing wrong: as a: the state of being mistaken or incorrect b: the state of being guilty

evil - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

wrong - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
 
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You can keep on trying to defend your hyperbole. It changes nothing.

And you can keep calling it "hyperbole," but it won't make it so, especially when you've already conceded the very point you're calling "hyperbole" in other posts. :doh


It depends on the perspective. Some rules are more right for some people others aren't.

So . . . all men are not created equal. And no set of rules is any better than any other.


I don't necessarily think they are right on a large scale. As I've said many times, they are right for me and that's all I care about. I think it would be arrogant to assume that my personal views and way of living would be right for everyone.

Yeah. For the fourth time, it isn't about your "personal views of living." It's about the rules you favor imposing on everyone. But you're obviously never going to acknowledge that.

As such, I'm off this merry-go-round.
 
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