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US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

Vader said:
OH hush.

She supports Somali piracy and my statements are valid.

Quit encouraging her support for murderers.
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Don't be absurd. Nobody here supports Somali piracy. :roll:

Just because you don't see eye to eye on certain points doesn't mean that she supports them. However, you have been known to jump the gun and overreact in the past when people don't agree with you, so your analysis isn't entirely surprising.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Don't be absurd. Nobody here supports Somali piracy. :roll:

Just because you don't see eye to eye on certain points doesn't mean that she supports them. However, you have been known to jump the gun and overreact in the past when people don't agree with you, so your analysis isn't entirely surprising.
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I wouldn't be too sure.

Laila said:
Pirates Seize Egyptian Fishing Boats In Somaliland Waters | SomalilandPress

Kill them is my instant response.
A nice hanging and send them back to their host country in a box.
But we might as well get some money from them whilst we are at it.

Go anywhere near our waters, you should be killed. End of conversation.

If an Iranian ship entered US waters, do you think US would be 'escorting it away' - In my dreams maybe.
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I do get the sense that some here are at least, justifying piracy, at worst using it as justification for "Somali nationalism", whatever that might be.
 
Vader said:
OH hush.

She supports Somali piracy and my statements are valid.

Quit encouraging her support for murderers.
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How about you stop getting angry that people have differing opinions than yours on this subject matter.

Nobody is arguing nothing needs to be done, but there are ranges to what we can agree to what should be allowed to be done with the pirates.

Your idea of a debate must be everyone agreeing with you, why are you even here?
 
dclxvinoise said:
There is no universally defined good either.
And yes it is a matter of perspective. Obviously the nazis didn't believe that they were doing evil.
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Well then... what argument is there that certain actions should be punished?
 
Captain America said:
I am very well, thank you. The sun is finally trying to peek through and my evening plans are exciting.

I hope you are having an equally good day. :2wave:
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Glad one of us is having some sun, it's so rare here.

My day is the same as usual, it'll most likely rain and i'll get wet :p
 
BulletWounD said:
I wouldn't be too sure.
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Let me make my position very clear .

I don't support pirates anymore and what they are now doing but i do have alot of sympathy for their position.
In a sense, i'm for the fishermen who hijack ships within our waters but outside of it - We should keep away.

I think it has turned from something small to a lucrative business and corruption is bound to set in soon. It is having damaging impact on surrounding countries and will further destabilize Somalia, Puntland and Somaliland not to mention have a ripple effect on Kenya, Dijoubti and Ethiopia as the increase of more high tech weapons means unsafe borders [Especially Ethiopia]

What i am against is soldiers, more notably. US or any soldiers anywhere near Somali soil. It will do more damage than it will solve.
 
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Laila said:
Let me make my position very clear .

I don't support pirates anymore and what they are now doing but i do have alot of sympathy for their position.
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Your position is contradictory.

Laila said:
In a sense, i'm for the fishermen who hijack ships within our waters but outside of it - We should keep away.
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If by "hijack" you mean seize ships fishing illegally or otherwise in Somali waters illegally, that is Somalia's right.

If by "hijack" you mean seizing any other vessel, then you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Laila said:
What i am against is soldiers, more notably. US or any soldiers anywhere near Somali soil. It will do more damage than it will solve.
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It would not be pretty, that's for certain. If the Somalis don't rein in the pirates themselves, however, that is exactly what will happen.
 
celticlord said:
If by "hijack" you mean seize ships fishing illegally or otherwise in Somali waters illegally, that is Somalia's right.
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Not really, i'm for seizing any ship within the territorial waters of Somalia. What i am now against, is hijacking off that.
 
Laila said:
Not really, i'm for seizing any ship within the territorial waters of Somalia. What i am now against, is hijacking off that.
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Lawful maritime commerce has a right to transit territorial waters unmolested. Seizing lawful merchantmen is piracy.
 
celticlord said:
Lawful maritime commerce has a right to transit territorial waters unmolested. Seizing lawful merchantmen is piracy.
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If you enter another countries marked territorial waters, you are lucky not to be blown up. Stay away and be safe.
 
Laila said:
If you enter another countries marked territorial waters, you are lucky not to be blown up. Stay away and be safe.
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  1. There are no "marked territorial waters," unless Somalia has been putting out marker buoys of late.
  2. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea asserts the right of transit.
  3. Blowing up lawful merchantmen is terrorism, and merits the same sanction as piracy--death to the perpetrators.
 
Piracy of this nature must end. There needs to be international special-secret 'ops' teams put in place to dispose of such gangs without wreckless harm brought to civilian bystanders. Some hostages may loose their life with any attempts of bloodletting of such thugs, but this is one time collateral damage has a place with ending such acts of crime on the high seas. POV
 
BulletWounD said:
I'm not a moral relativist. Hitler's actions were evil; so were Tibbets'. I make a distinction between good/evil and justifiable/unjustifiable. The actions of Hitler were not justifiable, Tibbets' were.
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And what do you base justifiable/unjustifiable on? Motive. Now are you going to argue that a man who murders for money is more justified than one who murders out of anger?
 
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