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American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

That's mostly what it's in regards to. The IRA started out just the same, they used fear and terror against an entire populace to try to force a government to do what it wanted. Terrorism doesn't really seem to work in the end, mostly actions of the desperate. I don't really consider things "terrorist" less it's something along the lines of use of fear over a populace to illicit change towards a set of demands. The pirates held a crew hostage and tried to auction their lives back. It's hardly terrorism, they weren't using fear or anything like that to get what they wanted. They just took something and offered to give it back for money.

All I can say when I read stuff like this is; you've got to be kidding me. Obviously you have never experienced terror first hand. To suggest that these people are not terrorizing using RPGs and AK-47s to commandeer shipping under the noses of their own TERRORIST like Government requires the profound suspension of disbelief.

I had someone point a .45 automatic at me once; you would be hard pressed to convince me he was not threatening/terrorizing me.

Carry on.

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What part of the definition of terrorism are you so desperately attempting to avoid?

None, I said they were pirates first terrorists second. Is a a person who holds up a 7-11 with a gun a terrorist or is he robber who uses terror?
 
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I'm sorry, but who gives a rat's ass what we call them? If you want to call them pirates go for it, if you want to call them terrorists do it. Who cares? The point is that they were killed and that the captain was rescued. It's good news regardless.
 
What a trite statement lacking in coherent intellectual thought over something as serious as a nation condoning the terrorism of shipping off their coast while the rest of the world is in denial about these facts and using the term "piracy" in order to avoid actually dealing with the REAL issue; which is the fact that Somalia emboldened by a former US Presidents and UN inaction is a terrorist nation who threatens it's neighbors and international shipping.

Bravo!!

Dude.. :roll:

I bet you're a real hoot at party's.

My point is, in my opinion, there is no difference between a terrorist and a pirate. Geeeeze. :roll:

I think, perhaps, an enema might be just what the doctor ordered. Or maybe just try some prune juice first. :rofl
 
All I can say when I read stuff like this is; you've got to be kidding me. Obviously you have never experienced terror first hand. To suggest that these people are not terrorizing using RPGs and AK-47s to commandeer shipping under the noses of their own TERRORIST like Government requires the profound suspension of disbelief.

I had someone point a .45 automatic at me once; you would be hard pressed to convince me he was not threatening/terrorizing me.

Carry on.

:rofl

I'm suggesting, as was clearly written, that they were not terrorizing an entire populace. I didn't say no one was fearful. It's called reading, try it. ****, I mean if some dude is being a roadraged ass on the road and makes a few people scared, we're gonna go and call that terrorism. You've got to be kidding me. Obviously you have no idea what terrorism actually is.

You've basically defined it so that anyone who acts out against anyone else; even on the small group or individual level, is a terrorist. WTF is that? That makes terrorist useless if we're gonna be stupid enough to label everyone a terrorist. Or maybe you just want more power given to the government by making it seem like a terrorist threat is larger than it is. Hell if road ragers are terrorists, then I am impacted by terrorists personally on a weekly level. We'd best do something before the terrorists win!

Ludicrous.
 
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None, I said they were pirates first terrorists second. Is a a person who holds up a 7-11 with a gun a terrorist or is he robber who uses terror?

So you want to compare a hood robbing a 7-11 to attacking international shipping with RPGs and AK-47's with the blessing of their own nation by terrorists?

It begs the question; you're kidding me right?
 
I'm sorry, but who gives a rat's ass what we call them? If you want to call them pirates go for it, if you want to call them terrorists do it. Who cares? The point is that they were killed and that the captain was rescued. It's good news regardless.

And in your denial, you think this is the end of the story? :roll:
 
I'm not saying it's overused, but as the word stands, yes Pirates are indeed terrorists.

I think you need to redefine your word of a terrorist, one mans revolutionary is another mans terrorist. Our founders were terrorists.

According to your definition of "terrorist," Bonnie and Clyde, the police, the military, the Fouding Fathers, Captain Blackbeard, you, and I - we're all terrorists!

I have a car alarm on my car. The purpose of the car alarm is to invoke fear or "terror" in the criminal to send them running away. Therefore, I am a terrorist. Right or wrong?

If we accept your definition, then virtually all of us are terrorists and politicians need to stop using the word in a derisive manner because that makes them hypocrites.
 
Dude.. :roll:

I bet you're a real hoot at party's.

My point is, in my opinion, there is no difference between a terrorist and a pirate. Geeeeze. :roll:

I think, perhaps, an enema might be just what the doctor ordered. Or maybe just try some prune juice first. :rofl

So now we move from trite to personal insulting and hyperbole; bravo Captain, you're batting 1,000 for trolling.

The last time I looked, we were on a debate politics forum, not someone's party.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your simplistic baseless personal insults in an effort to avoid any substantive debate.
 
And in your denial, you think this is the end of the story? :roll:

I never said that this is the end of the story. I'm simply saying that the good news about the guy getting rescued far outshines arguing about stupid bull**** semantics like whether or not its correct to call them pirates or terrorists.
 
I'm suggesting, as was clearly written, that they were not terrorizing an entire populace. I didn't say no one was fearful. It's called reading, try it. ****, I mean if some dude is being a roadraged ass on the road and makes a few people scared, we're gonna go and call that terrorism. You've got to be kidding me. Obviously you have no idea what terrorism actually is.

You've basically defined it so that anyone who acts out against anyone else; even on the small group or individual level, is a terrorist. WTF is that? That makes terrorist useless if we're gonna be stupid enough to label everyone a terrorist. Or maybe you just want more power given to the government by making it seem like a terrorist threat is larger than it is. Hell if road ragers are terrorists, then I am impacted by terrorists personally on a weekly level. We'd best do something before the terrorists win!

Ludicrous.



So you want to compare a case of road rage to attacking international shipping with RPGs and AK-47's with the blessing of their own nation by terrorists?

It begs the question; you're kidding me right? The only thing ludicrous here are your rediculous analogies and desperate denial.
 
I'm sorry, but who gives a rat's ass what we call them? If you want to call them pirates go for it, if you want to call them terrorists do it. Who cares? The point is that they were killed and that the captain was rescued. It's good news regardless.

Don't you get it? If we define everybody as terrorists then the government is free to wage war on anybody they choose in the "War on Terror." My car alarm makes me a terrorist, therefore I belong on watchlists, blacklists, and I am subject to wiretapping and unwarranted search and seizure.
 
So you want to compare a hood robbing a 7-11 to attacking international shipping with RPGs and AK-47's with the blessing of their own nation by terrorists?

It begs the question; you're kidding me right?

Okay fine use bank robbers as an example that use fully auto AK-47's, re. LA California.
 
Don't you get it? If we define everybody as terrorists than the government is free to wage war on anybody they choose in the "War on Terror." My car alarm makes me a terrorist, therefore I belong on watchlists, blacklists, and I am subject to wiretapping and unwarranted search and seizure.

I agree with you that the term is grossly overused and I personally don't agree that these pirates are terrorists because they aren't doing what they do for political purposes which is pretty much the very definition of terrorism. They are just thieves with a heavy arsenal. However, I think that arguing about silly semantics like this is more appropriate for a different thread because it kind of derails the original thread topic.
 
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I never said that this is the end of the story. I'm simply saying that the good news about the guy getting rescued far outshines arguing about stupid bull**** semantics like whether or not its correct to call them pirates or terrorists.

Because you say so? Do you also think that Somali terrorists can attack shipping and hijack huge ocean going freighters and take them to harbor without the knowledge and blessing of the Somali Government?

Do you really think this is just a small band of pirates acting on their own to make a buck? I would argue that to have such notions requires willful denial.

That is the reason I made the argument in the first place; this isn’t a case of robbing a 7-11 or road rage. What level of absurdity does it take to make such inane arguments?

This is an OBVIOUS case of the current administration desperately attempting to use semantics to avoid the REAL issue which is a rogue nation allowing its people to terrorize shipping to fund its terrorism of its own people and neighbors.

The REAL story is about a rogue Government in Somali that promotes and condones terrorism within its borders and on the seas off its coast and the fact that the UN and the Community Organization of the United States and Europe doesn’t want to deal with the issue.
 
Because you say so? Do you also think that Somali terrorists can attack shipping and hijack huge ocean going freighters and take them to harbor without the knowledge and blessing of the Somali Government?

Um..where did I even say that? Why are you trying to create an argument where there is none?

Do you really think this is just a small band of pirates acting on their own to make a buck? I would argue that to have such notions requires willful denial.

I didn't say anything about that and I personally think that it kind of derails from the topic at hand which is the American captain getting rescued.

That is the reason I made the argument in the first place; this isn’t a case of robbing a 7-11 or road rage. What level of absurdity does it take to make such inane arguments?

I don't know because I didn't make any argument like that. You'll have to ask someone who did.

This is an OBVIOUS case of the current administration desperately attempting to use semantics to avoid the REAL issue which is a rogue nation allowing its people to terrorize shipping to fund its terrorism of its own people and neighbors.

What reason would the current administration have to do that? This sounds more like an absurd conspiracy theory than anything.

The REAL story is about a rogue Government in Somali that promotes and condones terrorism within its borders and on the seas off its coast and the fact that the UN and the Community Organization of the United States and Europe doesn’t want to deal with the issue.

Then please tell me what political reasons they would have to hijack the boat because that's what terrorism is.
 
Okay fine use bank robbers as an example that use fully auto AK-47's, re. LA California.

So now you post another lie to support a desperate argument in the vacuum of facts and reality? Do you have any links to support the notion that bank robbers are now using FULLY automatic AK-47’s to conduct their crime sprees?

Once more you are attempting to compare the actions of terrorists attacking international shipping with the blessing of their Government to bank robbers; what an absurd argument.
 
Um..where did I even say that? Why are you trying to create an argument where there is none?



I didn't say anything about that and I personally think that it kind of derails from the topic at hand which is the American captain getting rescued.



I don't know because I didn't make any argument like that. You'll have to ask someone who did.



What reason would the current administration have to do that? This sounds more like an absurd conspiracy theory than anything.



Then please tell me what political reasons they would have to hijack the boat because that's what terrorism is.

Your obtuse and desperate attempts to avoid the obvious and enter into a never ending circle of futility are noted; carry on. :roll:
 
So now you post another lie to support a desperate argument in the vacuum of facts and reality? Do you have any links to support the notion that bank robbers are now using FULLY automatic AK-47’s to conduct their crime sprees?

Once more you are attempting to compare the actions of terrorists attacking international shipping with the blessing of their Government to bank robbers; what an absurd argument.

What government?
 
Your obtuse and desperate attempts to avoid the obvious and enter into a never ending circle of futility are noted; carry on. :roll:

Are you going to address my points or continue to derail the thread with personal attacks?
 
It sure is, Devil505. It sure is. :usflag2: Welcome aboard. It's nice to see someone from Mass who isn't a liberal for a change. :2wave:
Thanks Chuck!

I'm liberal on some things (Pro choice, see no problem with gay marriage)
Moderate on most (hate the bailouts)
& Conservative on others. (In favor of the death penalty)
 
What government?

I see you don't read or pay attention to what is being typed; could this be more of your willful denial?

I clearly stated the Somali Government.

Here's a clue for those of you who desperately want to avoid the substance of what I am stating which is OBVIOUS; how long do you think US citizens could operate off our shores terrorizing international shipping and taking their crews hostage?

How long would they last if it were the coast of France, Britain, Canada or Japan?

Carry on. :roll:
 
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