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American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

-- Taking hostages and ransoming them is a form of terrorism. Not classic "islamic terrorism" but "terrorism" even by thier own agenda. Supposedly this is because we pollute thier waters or something.

Well, the seas have been polluted and the toxic containers washed up by the tsunami showed that - however that isn't an excuse for what they have done. I also disagree both your versions of terrorism - islamic terrorism is still terrorism and piracy is not (either in the classic skull and crossbones or Somali pirate sense) terrorism. Not in the definitions I have seen.

-- "will"? isn't that a bit speculative.

As speculative as sending troops on the ground or bombing from the air thinking that will solve the situation..


Thank you.

-- Sorry, I don't think "neutral" is right either. Though I know you are more liberty oriented.

To be honest, I have no permanent political "steer," maybe I'm just an "extremist moderate" as Winston once called me...

--I simply think you are overestimating the impact "interdiction" will have here.

It's a policing matter to me - it can be dealt with by the military but from a policing perspective - not an "anti-terror" one though. I personally think that will simply drive them into the arms of Iran or the Sudanese. The pirates have (so far) not shown any link. Events may change that - I don't know.
 
Nonsense. This is an act of terrorism. Not "islamic" terrorism per say, but terrorism of opportunity. To call it a criminal activity is going to get Americans killed.
This is the same tactic Clinton used with the WTC terrorists in 92, and one Obama vocally supports... treat terrorism as a criminal action to be handled through the courts.

In fact the Libs in general have this view... treat terroristas as criminals... and run them through our courts.

It is a mentality that will get more Americans killed.

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While terrorists and terrorism is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, these pirates were not terrorists. They were pirates, pirates aren't necessarily terrorists. They took hostages to get money, but taking hostages in and of itself doesn't make one a terrorist. The pirates weren't looking to change a system or take over, they wanted money. Thieves, yes. Terrorists, no.
 
While terrorists and terrorism is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, these pirates were not terrorists. They were pirates, pirates aren't necessarily terrorists. They took hostages to get money, but taking hostages in and of itself doesn't make one a terrorist. The pirates weren't looking to change a system or take over, they wanted money. Thieves, yes. Terrorists, no.



They wanted money and use justification of political issues to give themselves permission to do so.,
 
They wanted money and use justification of political issues to give themselves permission to do so.,

They're not terrorists. Terrorists use violence as a means to affect political change, usually the killing of non-combatants or destroying civilian infrastructure. These guys are pirates, plain and simple. Let's call a spade a spade.
 
They wanted money and use justification of political issues to give themselves permission to do so.,

Exactly, pirates are known to be liars. Part of pirate life. They'll take any excuse they can come up with to "justify" their actions. But at the end of the day, it's clear that it's all about the money and that's it. Pirates like to break laws and steal and get money in any way possible. Makes them out of control capitalists, not terrorists. heheh.
 
Proud day to be an American!:usflag2:
 
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Proud day to be an American!:usflag2:

It sure is, Devil505. It sure is. :usflag2: Welcome aboard. It's nice to see someone from Mass who isn't a liberal for a change. :2wave:
 
They're not terrorists. Terrorists use violence as a means to affect political change, usually the killing of non-combatants or destroying civilian infrastructure. These guys are pirates, plain and simple. Let's call a spade a spade.

A terrorist is someone causing terror.

It does not have to be for political gain, and yes sir pirates are terrorists.

Ask the European empires during the days of old, Pirates are most certainly terrorists.

http://www.southchinasea.org/docs/Puchala, Pirates and Terrorists.pdf
 
A terrorist is someone causing terror.

That is an overly broad definition of terrorist, making many if not most of us that are reading this post "terrorists" - thus robbing the word of its meaning.
 
They're not terrorists. Terrorists use violence as a means to affect political change, usually the killing of non-combatants or destroying civilian infrastructure. These guys are pirates, plain and simple. Let's call a spade a spade.
A spade is a spade, a shovel is a shovel, and both pirate and terrorist are maggots that need to be squashed like the vermin they are.

Arguing labels is pointless. Pirate OR terrorist, they are late for an appointment with the Almighty.
 
Jimmy Carter would now charge the seals with murder so I guess Obama may have one or two testicles.
 

And the moral of this story on the proper way to deal with TERRORISTS; three well placed head shots. Bravo Navy Seals and the US Navy. :applaud

Now if only people would stop calling them "pirates" and call them what they really are; Somali terrorists.

Now the REAL decisions will come if these "terrorists" carry out their threat to US shipping and US citizens to take revenge for this act.

The difference between being an organizer and leader is what you do to prevent such terrorist acts in the future. Don't hold your breath people.

:cool:
 
Now if only people would stop calling them "pirates" and call them what they really are; Somali terrorists.
Why get worked up over semantics of pirate vs. terrorist? Call them saints for all I care just get them dead and be quick about it.
 
While terrorists and terrorism is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, these pirates were not terrorists. They were pirates, pirates aren't necessarily terrorists. They took hostages to get money, but taking hostages in and of itself doesn't make one a terrorist. The pirates weren't looking to change a system or take over, they wanted money. Thieves, yes. Terrorists, no.

Here's the definition of a terrorist; many of you appear to be confused:

Main Entry: terrorism !ter-ur-+i-zum
Pronunciation: \ ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm \
Function: noun
Date: 1795

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Related Forms
1. ter·ror·ist!ter-ur-ist \ -ər-ist \ adjective or noun
2. ter·ror·is·tic+ter-ur-!is-tik \ ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik \ adjective


I defy you to argue that these Somali Terrorists are indeed not terrorists.

Why do you seem to think that in order to be a terrorist, you have to want to change a system or take over?
 
Here's the definition of a terrorist; many of you appear to be confused:

Main Entry: terrorism !ter-ur-+i-zum
Pronunciation: \ ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm \
Function: noun
Date: 1795

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Related Forms
1. ter·ror·ist!ter-ur-ist \ -ər-ist \ adjective or noun
2. ter·ror·is·tic+ter-ur-!is-tik \ ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik \ adjective


I defy you to argue that these Somali Terrorists are indeed not terrorists.

Why do you seem to think that in order to be a terrorist, you have to want to change a system or take over?


They are pirates first and terrorists second.
 
Terrorists and Pirates share the same secret handshake. :rofl
 
Why get worked up over semantics of pirate vs. terrorist? Call them saints for all I care just get them dead and be quick about it.

It is beyond mere semantics; I find it laughable when the media and this administration desperately desire to avoid the term terrorist or war on terror. It would be funny if lives were not at risk now and into the future.

The Somali's are operating with their Governments silent wink and nod. The Government of Somali should be taken to task for doing NOTHING to stop these terrorists acts; but when you have a Government that terrorizes it's own people and those of other nations, this kind of terrorist act is what you can expect.

Just because their terrorism happens on the water doesn't make them pirates; these are not acts of robbery on the high seas, these are acts of terrorism with the full blessing of the Somali Government and possibly even armed by those in charge as a form of funding their terrorist activities.

Only those who do not willingly suspend their disbelief think that someone can take over major capital ships, haul them to safe harbor for huge ransoms and think that this isn't being done to fund the terrorist regimes that run rampant in the nation of Somalia?

This is again a leftover of Clinton and UN intransigence and their feckless inability to deal with the Somali crises and stop their terrorist acts and the genocide that is occurring within their borders.

Somali's were encouraged and empowered by our FAILURE in Somalia under the Clinton administration (the same actions that emboldened Osama Bin Laden) and one can expect more of the same if we continue to lack the spine, the courage and the leadership it would take to actually do something substantive to save lives and make the sea lanes of Somali safe again.

Calling them pirates is cowardly way to avoid the FACT that these terrorists are acting with the blessing of their own rogue Government. I suggest that in order to claim these are mere pirates, one has to willingly suspend their disbelief; which is what this Community Organization of the United States and the rest of the world is currently engaged in.

:cool:
 
Here's the definition of a terrorist; many of you appear to be confused:

Main Entry: terrorism !ter-ur-+i-zum
Pronunciation: \ ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm \
Function: noun
Date: 1795

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Related Forms
1. ter·ror·ist!ter-ur-ist \ -ər-ist \ adjective or noun
2. ter·ror·is·tic+ter-ur-!is-tik \ ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik \ adjective


I defy you to argue that these Somali Terrorists are indeed not terrorists.

Why do you seem to think that in order to be a terrorist, you have to want to change a system or take over?

That's mostly what it's in regards to. The IRA started out just the same, they used fear and terror against an entire populace to try to force a government to do what it wanted. Terrorism doesn't really seem to work in the end, mostly actions of the desperate. I don't really consider things "terrorist" less it's something along the lines of use of fear over a populace to illicit change towards a set of demands. The pirates held a crew hostage and tried to auction their lives back. It's hardly terrorism, they weren't using fear or anything like that to get what they wanted. They just took something and offered to give it back for money.
 
That is an overly broad definition of terrorist, making many if not most of us that are reading this post "terrorists" - thus robbing the word of its meaning.

I'm not saying it's overused, but as the word stands, yes Pirates are indeed terrorists.

I think you need to redefine your word of a terrorist, one mans revolutionary is another mans terrorist. Our founders were terrorists.
 
Terrorists and Pirates share the same secret handshake. :rofl

What a trite statement lacking in coherent intellectual thought over something as serious as a nation condoning the terrorism of shipping off their coast while the rest of the world is in denial about these facts and using the term "piracy" in order to avoid actually dealing with the REAL issue; which is the fact that Somalia emboldened by a former US Presidents and UN inaction is a terrorist nation who threatens it's neighbors and international shipping.

Bravo!!
 
Their goal is not to instill terror into another culture/mass population but rather self enrichment/cash.

What part of the definition of terrorism are you so desperately attempting to avoid?

Last time I looked, the Somali TERRORISTS stated that they will be specifically targeting US citizens after the killing of the terrorist pals.

Once again, the definition of terrorism does not fit your desperate denial of what is meant by terrorism. I suggest you look it up, read it carefully and stop trying to desperately avoid the FACTS that these are indeed terrorist acts.
 
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