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Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

donc said:
I guess you’re relieved that you didn’t take me up on the bet eh? :mrgreen:
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I'm glad that Mr. V's powers of foresight blow... but hey what else is new.

That's a good thing to be wrong about Mr. V!
 
StandUpChuck said:
Actually Donc, Mr Vicchio already stated in the other thread that he was wrong. It takes a big man to admit when one is wrong. A lesser man rubs his nose in it.
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Yes, it was nice of him to admit he was wrong but when he ragged on for seven post that the President didn’t have the balls to do anything about it, that in my opinion deserved a heaping helping salt rubbed in his a**. ;)
 
I'm quite HAPPY to be wrong that Obama would not have allowed the military to use force to end this and free the Captain. I'm thankful to the Good Lord that it went down in a way that was bad for the pirates and good for us.

Push came to shove, and Obama did the right thing. Good on for him.

If you guys need to "rub my nose in it" to make yourselves feel big, by all means go right ahead. After all, emotions guide you, so it's only natural you are unable to contain such feelings. Let it out.
 
I don't think they should rub your nose too hard, quit frankly I think Obama was literally out voted on this one and had no choice despite the fact he involved the FBI and tried to make it a world justice matter. Our Navy SEALS rock!!!
 
lolly89123 said:
I don't think they should rub your nose too hard, quit frankly I think Obama was literally out voted on this one and had no choice despite the fact he involved the FBI and tried to make it a world justice matter. Our Navy SEALS rock!!!
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And your evidence of this is where?
 
lolly89123 said:
It is a matter of personal opinion, as I did state 'I think'
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Is there anything in particular you base this personal opinion on? Even with reading the articles, posted here, and other posters indicating that your opinion is not accurate?
 
lolly89123 said:
I don't think they should rub your nose too hard, quit frankly I think Obama was literally out voted on this one and had no choice despite the fact he involved the FBI and tried to make it a world justice matter. Our Navy SEALS rock!!!
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Given the immediacy of the moment, it actually makes sense to involve FBI hostage negotiators. The FBI helped write and keep current the manual on how to negotiate with hostage takers. That is a particular expertise that the military does not have.

In particular, hostage negotiators work to extend and prolong the situation. The longer it goes on the greater the possibility of the hostages being successfully extricated. The longer it goes on, the more the hostage takers have time to think about their situation, and for the stress of the situation to incent them to want to end the situation.

Yes, Navy SEALs rock, but, in hindsight, there is no cause to criticize the involvement of FBI hostage negotiators. It is quite possible that had it not been for their efforts, the SEALs would not have had the opportunity to launch their rescue efforts.

To reiterate, while there remain an abundance of reasons to oppose everything this President stands for, this hostage rescue success is not among them. Regardless of his policies or his politics, this one deservedly goes in the win column for him. To make snide remarks in the face of a success that speaks well of America overall only detracts from the very real and substantive reasons to remain staunchly opposed to this President's disastrous domestic and foreign policy moves to date.
 
MrVicchio said:
I'm quite HAPPY to be wrong that Obama would not have allowed the military to use force to end this and free the Captain. I'm thankful to the Good Lord that it went down in a way that was bad for the pirates and good for us.

Push came to shove, and Obama did the right thing. Good on for him.

If you guys need to "rub my nose in it" to make yourselves feel big, by all means go right ahead. After all, emotions guide you, so it's only natural you are unable to contain such feelings. Let it out.
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Wait a minute. This is just too funny. You should have your nose rubbed in it, not because you were wrong, but because of how over the top you were in your condemnation of Obama without having a clue as to what would happen. Rather that hold your judgement until the crisis was resolved, you chose to play the role of Carnac the Magnificent because you just knew how this would end.

Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this. It has nothing to do with others making themselves feel big, it's about you. Maybe you will learn a lesson about rushing to judgment.
 
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Lerxst said:
Wait a minute. This is just too funny. You should have your nose rubbed in it, not because you were wrong, but because of how over the top you were in your condemnation of Obama without having a clue as to what would happen. Rather that hold your judgement until the crisis was resolved, you chose to play the role of Carnac the Magnificent because you just knew how this would end.

Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this. It has nothing to do with others making themselves feel big, it's about you. Maybe you will learn a lesson about rushing to judgment.
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I didn't rush to judgment. I looked at what evidence we had, and made a call. It was the wrong one, and I admit it. I have the BALLS to make a call, based on information before me, not wait till it's all over then roll in on the bandwagon.

People like you live just to call others out when they are wrong in opposing things you support, and ignore when others are right about YOUR being wrong.


And I get labeled the hyper-partisan? Seriously?
 
Lerxst said:
Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this.
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MrVicchio is not who this is about.

The President gave the right order at the right time to the right people, and America got the right result because of it. MrVicchio has said as much, and went on to say he was glad to be wrong.

That's not hyperpartisan....that's class.
 
celticlord said:
MrVicchio is not who this is about.

The President gave the right order at the right time to the right people, and America got the right result because of it. MrVicchio has said as much, and went on to say he was glad to be wrong.

That's not hyperpartisan....that's class.
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Forgive those who have read MrVicchio's posts regarding this situation and some of his other posts regarding Obama in the last few months(like for example his citizenship) and don't buy it because they think he's full of ****. Seriously. It's a matter of the epic fail he along with a few others set themselves up for in such a hyper partisanship fashion.

I almost feel like this thread has a very sweet irony to it. I mean all the bitching about Obama not going in public and telling Conservatives what they want to hear and then the head nigga pulls a Rambo on us all. I mean if I were constantly bitching about Obama and then he does exactly what I and all my MySpace Navy SEAL wannabe online buddies were screaming for him to do because well, we just want something to be partisan about then I too would have a pretty ****ing sour taste in mouth right about now.
 
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Look folks, let's not allow this to degenerate into who is and who is not hyperpartisan. This is, quite obviously, not the thread for that. When push came to shove, and the President acted, many of our resident conservatives, save one, supported and congratulated the President. Some even apologized and said they were wrong. This should be commended, not attacked.

Some of you liberals complain and complain about conservative folks not supporting Obama over obvious issues, and then when they do, like here, you complain that it wasn't good enough. :doh I go after some of our conservatives when they do this. So, I am going after you for the same thing. You folks are being hypocritical. It is very unbecoming. And, hyperpartisan in it's own right.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Look folks, let's not allow this to degenerate into who is and who is not hyperpartisan. This is, quite obviously, not the thread for that. When push came to shove, and the President acted, many of our resident conservatives, save one, supported and congratulated the President. Some even apologized and said they were wrong. This should be commended, not attacked.

Some of you liberals complain and complain about conservative folks not supporting Obama over obvious issues, and then when they do, like here, you complain that it wasn't good enough. :doh I go after some of our conservatives when they do this. So, I am going after you for the same thing. You folks are being hypocritical. It is very unbecoming. And, hyperpartisan in it's own right.
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Uh dude....

Reverend

Do you have a problem with this? There is a major international event unfolding and he remains silent? Personally, when every story and all the talk is about the pirates and the brave American captain who traded himself for the crew, one would think President Obama would at least address this international issue.
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American


As I said in another thread, he's busy man. Don't bug him, it's all about housing today. And while we ignoring piracy on the high seas, let's scrap production on the F-22 so we can look really weak.
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MrVicchio

These are areas to espouse American values, good things, right here to discuss... but no Obama cannot comment.


And why is that? Well duh, no one loaded the Teleprompter with answers so Obama had nothing to say.
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Zyphlin

Jesus, the "unamerican" bs was annoying when liberals were doing it to conservatives for years. Now you're going to start chucking it back the other side? Why?

I think this is a bad move from Obama. There are things that sometimes are more important to focus on. However, you multitask to pick your NCAA bracket, you multitask to go onto Leno, and this is all during the economic crisis.......and yet you can't give a statement on a situation where American property and people were taken hostage and the American military is involved?

Pathetic.
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Goobieman

Ah... The Obama displays -true- leadership.

How much is he cutting from the USN budget?
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Stryker

It wasnt on the teleprompter. Simple as that.
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Triad

You know that is likely right.
Its very likely when he does finally comment that he will be reading it at us.

I doubt he can use this as an excuse to read a speech about race relations at us but you never know.

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StandUpChuck

As usual, Obama could have passed a national test and just said *something* relevant. Once again, he fails as a "great communicator." The crew took that ship back. They didn't need to wait for Rookie Obama to send anyone.
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GottaHurt

Obviously Obama was too busy celebrating Irans National Nuke Day.
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MrVicchio

Obama would have to authorize it, he hasn't and I'm betting will not allow the military to take the shot.
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Truth Detector

I feel so much safer now that we are the Community Organization of the United States who is now more willing to listen, talk and avoid armed confrontation. I am sure now that we have become kinder and gentler and admitted our former arrogance and renounced our Christian heritage, the despots, dictators, tyrants and terrorists of the world will now stop the violence and despicable human rights record and lay down their arms.
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SgtRock

I agree, he dosn't have the balls that the 20 crew members of the Alabama had. He will negotiate and pay the ransom which will ensure continued hijacking of American ships.
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Let them ALL eat crow. :)
 
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Hatuey said:
Uh dude....

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StandUpChuck



GottaHurt



MrVicchio



Truth Detector



SgtRock



They can all eat crow for all I, as a liberal, give a ****. By the way...what does black crow taste like?
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So what, Hatuey? Many of these folks have applauded Obama for his actions. Do you expect them to kiss the ground he walks on? They're conservatives. Their ideology is contradictory to his. They're not going to agree with him. It pisses me off, too, when some of these folks focus on minutae, or go on and on about ridiculousness. But this is more of an opportunity to find common ground than to go on the attack. I attack these folks harder than anyone when they go all hyperpartisan. And I will applaude them when they don't...which is what they are doing, right now.

I will echo what MrVicchio said to Triad. You are not helping. This ain't the place for it. This is a unifying issue, and you are the one creating divisiveness. Doing exactly what you complain they do. Do what you will, but I will go after this as quickly as I go after a conservative who starts an idiotic hyperpartisan thread.

And black crow tastes like chicken. It's good with hot sauce. :mrgreen:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So what, Hatuey?
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I'll explain.

Many of these folks have applauded Obama for his actions.
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Because they have no other choice. If the situation had ended with a dead hostage they'd be right on this board flaming Obama nonstop for doing exactly what they were bitching to do only with the results they were all hoping for.
Do you expect them to kiss the ground he walks on?
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No. Eat crow. It's a lot more satisfying.

They're conservatives.
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Meh. Nobody is perfect.
Their ideology is contradictory to his.
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Which is why this feels so sweet and I can't wait to watch them all play the 'well I'll act classy' card until they find something else to bitch about to.

They're not going to agree with him.
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Nope. They'll talk about teleprompters and NCAA meetings and then eat crow. It's fun to watch them though.

It pisses me off, too, when some of these folks focus on minutae, or go on and on about ridiculousness.
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Oh no. I actually like it. Obama just basically shut them all up just like he did in the elections with that Alaska chick who was supposed to bring conservatism back like a bad rash. What's her name?

But this is more of an opportunity to find common ground than to go on the attack.
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No common ground on this. They ALL shot at Obama. Now they can ALL bow their heads in shame. It all comes down to what they said. It's clear to anybody who reads this thread that the majority of right wingers in this thread had their bets on Obama to lose. End of story.

I attack these folks harder than anyone when they go all hyperpartisan. And I will applaude them when they don't...which is what they are doing, right now.
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Good for you?

I will echo what MrVicchio said to Triad. You are not helping. This ain't the place for it. This is a unifying issue, and you are the one creating divisiveness. Doing exactly what you complain they do. Do what you will, but I will go after this as quickly as I go after a conservative who starts an idiotic hyperpartisan thread.
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Oh whatever the **** ever. MrVicchio has no choice but to act like he wasn't the one saying that Obama didn't have balls and that he needed a teleprompter and that he wasn't going to do ****. I could care less what his new revised stance due to his epic fail is. He talked **** until the very end. Now he can drown in his own words and I'll bring them up to him whenever I see it fit :)

And black crow tastes like chicken. It's good with hot sauce. :mrgreen:
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Rats with feathers aren't all that appetizing to me.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So what, Hatuey? Many of these folks have applauded Obama for his actions. Do you expect them to kiss the ground he walks on?
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They jumped the gun first coming to conclusions about so called inactions.
 
celticlord said:
Nah...pan fry it and serve it up with some biscuits and gravy!
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The gravy tends to overpower the delicate flavor of the bird. A light lemon sauce, with some tabasco on the side, for a little kick, is a better choice.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
The gravy tends to overpower the delicate flavor of the bird. A light lemon sauce, with some tabasco on the side, for a little kick, is a better choice.
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And just a touch of salt,not to much ,just a touch.:mrgreen:
 
Hatuey said:
No common ground on this. They ALL shot at Obama. Now they can ALL bow their heads in shame. It all comes down to what they said. It's clear to anybody who reads this thread that the majority of right wingers in this thread had their bets on Obama to lose. End of story.
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Actually, my bet was on him to screw the pooch, and we'd all lose. He didn't and we all won.

There is a difference between wanting bad policies and bad politics to fail and wanting the country to fail. I still want Dear Leader's policies and his politics to fail--I think they are dishonorable and disreputable in the extreme, and this does not change my assessment of either in the slightest. The spending-as-stimulus bill is not cleansed of its defects because of this good call; the deficits-are-our-friend budget obscenity is not suddenly palatable because of this good call; his disgusting bow before the Saudi monarch is not suddenly made dignified by this good call; his den-of-thieves Cabinet and economic advisors and their obeisance to crony capitalism are not made enlightened by this good call. All the sins and errors of this Administration are not obliterated by this good call.

I, and I believe MrVicchio, as well as the others you named, want very much for this country to prosper, to grow, and to succeed. That objective requires that Dear Leader and his policies fail, for their success would be harmful to this country.

This one good call does not alter that reality in the slightest.

Yet he is the President, he is the Commander in Chief, and, in this moment, he made the right call at the right time to the right people. He did his job, and he did it well. I am happy in this moment to set aside for this moment my profound opposition to his policies and politics and congratulate him. Tomorrow he will resume pursuing his agenda, and I will resume protesting its grotesqueness.

The shame is not grasping that distinction.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
The gravy tends to overpower the delicate flavor of the bird. A light lemon sauce, with some tabasco on the side, for a little kick, is a better choice.
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Lemon sauce with TABASCO????????:shock:

I think you meant to say "a dash of pepper".
 
Hatuey said:
I'll explain.
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OK.

Because they have no other choice. If the situation had ended with a dead hostage they'd be right on this board flaming Obama nonstop for doing exactly what they were bitching to do only with the results they were all hoping for.
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Sure they would have. But they, also could have gone the way of Triad, and given Obama no credit. That didn't happen. Credit where credit is due. This is not about ideology. They are proving it. You are not.


No. Eat crow. It's a lot more satisfying.
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Watching someone eat crow and gloating is overrated.



Meh. Nobody is perfect.
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I can agree, here. :mrgreen:


Which is why this feels so sweet and I can't wait to watch them all play the 'well I'll act classy' card until they find something else to bitch about to.
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Which, for some, will be about ideology.



Nope. They'll talk about teleprompters and NCAA meetings and then eat crow. It's fun to watch them though.
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Of course some of them will. Heck, probably a lot. And it will still be stupid and hyperpartisan to focus on teleprompters and bowing. Especially when we have the economy, health care, and foreign policy to discuss. And I'll go after them when it happens. I'll bet you will too. That doesn't mean that this kind of support, here, needs to be attacked.



Oh no. I actually like it. Obama just basically shut them all up just like he did in the elections with that Alaska chick who was supposed to bring conservatism back like a bad rash. What's her name?
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:roll: I doubt that is how you feel. I read your posts.



No common ground on this. They ALL shot at Obama. Now they can ALL bow their heads in shame. It all comes down to what they said. It's clear to anybody who reads this thread that the majority of right wingers in this thread had their bets on Obama to lose. End of story.
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That's fine. And again I say, SO WHAT? Recanting a position, when it is obvious that you strongly support that position is something we see very little of around here. It is nice to see some show some humility. You are missing the point of this entire thing, Hatuey, but I suppose if you are bent on just attacking, regardless, be my guest.



Good for you?
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I agree with this, also. :mrgreen:



Oh whatever the **** ever. MrVicchio has no choice but to act like he wasn't the one saying that Obama didn't have balls and that he needed a teleprompter and that he wasn't going to do ****. I could care less what his new revised stance due to his epic fail is. He talked **** until the very end. Now he can drown in his own words and I'll bring them up to him whenever I see it fit :)
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You do that. Be part of the problem. Do to the conservatives what they do to you. Notice the hypocrisy of conservatives going after Obama because liberals went after Bush. We hear that all the time. It's hypocritical and partisan. Do you notice that you are doing exactly what you don't like they do?



Rats with feathers aren't all that appetizing to me.
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You have to defeather and skin them first. :doh
 
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