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Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

If a homosexual person can today, marry a person of the opposite sex then it stands to reason that they are fit to marry, therefore if two people, who the state recognizes as fit to marry, wish to do so and happen to be of the same sex what grounds is there to deny them?
 
Slippery Slope said:
If a homosexual person can today, marry a person of the opposite sex then it stands to reason that they are fit to marry, therefore if two people, who the state recognizes as fit to marry, wish to do so and happen to be of the same sex what grounds is there to deny them?
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I think a better question is: Why should the state be in the business of "recognizing" who is fit to marry in the first place? Or what the definition of "marriage" is? Or even deciding anything about marriage whatsoever?

Ok, so that was 3 questions, but I think they're all better. :2razz:
 
American said:
Yes there is, most people in this country don't support gay marriage.
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Most people at one time opposed interracial marriage, was it right to ban it? Your argument says yes. But we're not a strict democracy, this isn't mob rule. The rights and liberties of the individual are important and it is that which we are to protect. As it currently stands with marriage being an institution bringing with it many legal benefits and is in and of itself a legal, State recognized and granted contract. As such, by forbidding same sex couples from entering into this contract is infringing upon their right to contract.
 
Ikari said:
Most people at one time opposed interracial marriage, was it right to ban it? Your argument says yes. But we're not a strict democracy, this isn't mob rule. The rights and liberties of the individual are important and it is that which we are to protect. As it currently stands with marriage being an institution bringing with it many legal benefits and is in and of itself a legal, State recognized and granted contract. As such, by forbidding same sex couples from entering into this contract is infringing upon their right to contract.
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Shhh! Niggers and fags aren't the same silly! Stop giving examples of why mob rule is unacceptable in a democracy that gives all it's members the same rights, privileges etc. through the Constitution.
 
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Ikari said:
Most people at one time opposed interracial marriage, was it right to ban it? Your argument says yes. But we're not a strict democracy, this isn't mob rule. The rights and liberties of the individual are important and it is that which we are to protect. As it currently stands with marriage being an institution bringing with it many legal benefits and is in and of itself a legal, State recognized and granted contract. As such, by forbidding same sex couples from entering into this contract is infringing upon their right to contract.
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We still have illegals drugs, but once libertarians get power everything will be legal and we'll all be able to freely pump herione into our veins while we snort high quality coke? :cool:
 
Hatuey said:
Shhh! Niggers and fags aren't the same silly! Stop giving examples of why mob rule is unacceptable in a democracy that gives all it's members the same rights, privileges etc. through the Constitution.
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I find that lack of acceptance of gay unions is not due to an inability to interpret the Constitution, but simply lack of imagination. A lot of those opposed to gay marriage have more than an ample number of wild delusions about what a gay relationship is, and it's anything but normal. In any case, maybe if they had a "normal" gay friend they would see that there is nothing out of place.
 
American said:
We still have illegals drugs, but once libertarians get power everything will be legal and we'll all be able to freely pump herione into our veins while we snort high quality coke? :cool:
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Why not? It's your body. I don't own it, and neither does the government.
 
Orius said:
I find that lack of acceptance of gay unions is not due to an inability to interpret the Constitution, but simply lack of imagination. A lot of those opposed to gay marriage have more than an ample number of wild delusions about what a gay relationship is, and it's anything but normal. In any case, maybe if they had a "normal" gay friend they would see that there is nothing out of place.
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Some gays don't help the situation with their audacious displays of flaming faggotry ("Gay Pride Parades")
 
winston53660 said:
And Mardi Gras is different how?
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Mardi Gras is not a "Straight Pride" festival.

These gays are celebrating Mardi Gras:

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BulletWounD said:
Some gays don't help the situation with their audacious displays of flaming faggotry ("Gay Pride Parades")
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No one is forcing you to pay attention, and gays are not the only group in society that conduct such displays; furthermore, gay ghettos in cities represent a fraction of the actual gay population. Most live outside of that bubble.
 
Orius said:
No one is forcing you to pay attention, and gays are not the only group in society that conduct such displays; furthermore, gay ghettos in cities represent a fraction of the actual gay population. Most live outside of that bubble.
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I'm just saying when people think gay, that's what they think of - total flamers. A lot of gays go a long way to promoting this image.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Why not? It's your body. I don't own it, and neither does the government.
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That's fine as soon as you repeal any tax that gives even a penny to some service you might need after making your brain worthless to society.
 
Straight people attend Pride too. What's your point?

Oh right, you don't have one.
 
stevenb said:
Of course they aren't, this paves the way for no less than the following:

Polygamy will be here to stay.
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Its older than monogamy, so this is no big surprise.

stevenb said:
Marrying farm animals, or other animals will happen. GUARANTEED.
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If you are so certain, where are you and your sheep registered ?

stevenb said:
What about guy friends who get married just for the benefits?
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How bout just making it so there aren't any benefits ?
Is there a good reason the State should discriminate against the single ??
 
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BulletWounD said:
The fact remains that Mardi Gras is not a "straight pride" festival and gays celebrate it too.
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holy ****, people do stuff you're uncomfortable with

you should try Saudi Arabia

people have the "right" to only see what the "public" considers acceptable there
 
Orius said:
Straight people attend Pride too. What's your point?

Oh right, you don't have one.
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It doesn't matter. If it were an orientation-neutral orgy like Mardi Gras has become, you might have a point. It's undeniable that the image perpetuated by gay pride parades is detrimental to those gays that do not fit the stereotype.
 
new coup for you said:
holy ****, people do stuff you're uncomfortable with

you should try Saudi Arabia

people have the "right" to only see what the "public" considers acceptable there
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I never said it should be illegal. I'm just saying it's counter-productive.
 
American said:
We still have illegals drugs, but once libertarians get power everything will be legal and we'll all be able to freely pump herione into our veins while we snort high quality coke? :cool:
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What does that have to do with the current conversation? Nothing? Thought so.
 
kaya'08 said:
There is none.
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Heterosexual marriage has been the standard for how long?
Why?

When homosexual partners can procreate with one another, I'll be first to grant them the right to marriage.

Where do we draw the line when it comes to marriage?

Brother & Brother?
Sister & Sister?
Brother & Sister?
Cousins?
Fathers and daughters?
Mothers and sons?
Mothers and daughters?
Fathers and sons?
Adults and juveniles?
Aunts and Uncles with nieces and nephews?
Grandparents and other immediate family members?
Animals?

If they "love" each other (the defense for gay marriage)... then why not let everyone marry anyone and anything?

Where do you draw a line in the sand?
And if that line in the sand is at Gay Marriage... WHY?
You're a bigot...
...so goes the argument against those who do not support gay Marriage.

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