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"We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA"]YouTube - Obama In Turkey "We Do Not Consider Ourselves A Christian Nation"[/ame]

First time ive heard an American PM say that :shock:
 
This is another example of why you weren't suposed to vote for Obama.
 
Well done Obama - I love this man.

Obama recognized past tensions in the U.S.-Turkey relationship, but said things were on the right track now because both countries share common interests and are diverse nations. "We don't consider ourselves Christian, Jewish, Muslim. We consider ourselves a nation bound by a set of ideals and values," Obama said of the United States. "Turkey has similar principles."
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The United States is not a Christian nation. It is one built on secular beliefs. There is a church and state seperation.
Don't mistake a country with a christian majority to mean it IS a christian country.

I'm tuning into FOX. I want to see the reaction, i'm almost breathless to see how they twist it.
 
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I don't think it was as evil a statement as some will no doubt make it out to be.
 
Moon said:
I don't think it was as evil a statement as some will no doubt make it out to be.
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The context is everything, it is not as evil as some seem to make it out.
He merely said US is not one religion but is defined by it's shared values.
 
Laila said:
The context is everything, it is not as evil as some seem to make it out.
He merely said US is not one religion but is defined by it's shared values.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
 
There was absolutely nothing wrong with his statement at all. This is not a "Christian Nation." It is a nation of people who are Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Mormon, Muslim, etc.

The President of this country has no business identifying this nation with specific reference to any religion whatsoever. Our Government does not dictate the religious direction of this nation. Freedom of religion is just that. We decide for ourselves what we personally believe.
 
Laila said:
Well done Obama - I love this man.



The United States is not a Christian nation. It is one built on secular beliefs. There is a church and state seperation.
Don't mistake a country with a christian majority to mean it IS a christian country.

I'm tuning into FOX. I want to see the reaction, i'm almost breathless to see how they twist it.
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Like you would know anything about it. Damn woman, you're not American and you want to change the country you're in. You're the last person around here to lecture us on a set of principles.
 
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American said:
Like you would know anything about it. Damn woman, you're not American and you want to change the country you're in. You're the last person around here to lecture us on a set of principles.
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So i have to be a American to have an opinion on US??
So i assume Americans cannot now discuss Iraq, Iran or Europe seeing they are neither?

Like i would know anything? Do you deny anything i just stated as false?
The United States has a strict church state seperation, even you would know that no?
Christianity is not the defining feature of US, It's Constitution is. Oh and seeing i just finished a 2 year study into the US political system, i assure you i know something

Should i be worried a American has deluded himself into thinking US was founded on a religion?
 
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Laila said:
So i have to be a American to have an opinion on US??
So i assume Americans cannot now discuss Iraq, Iran or Europe seeing they are neither?

Like i would know anything? Do you deny anything i just stated as false?
The United States has a strict church state seperation, even you would know that no?
Christianity is not the definiting feature of US, It's Constitution is. Oh and seeing i just finished a 2 year study into the US political system, i assure you i know something

Should i be worried a American has deluded himself into thinking US was founded on a religion?
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Repeating liberal talking points does not mean you know anything about the founding of this country. One letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists does not make a founding principle, neither does some treaty.
 
American said:
Repeating liberal talking points does not mean you know anything about the founding of this country. One letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists does not make a founding principle, neither does some treaty.
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Your first amendment sets out what i just said
Would you like me to quote it? Did you forget it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ... "

God, i hope not all conservatives are like you
 
Laila said:
Your first amendment sets out what i just said
Would you like me to quote it? Did you forget it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ... "

God, i hope not all conservatives are like you
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Again you misunderstand. Making quotes does not demonstrate an understanding.
 
While I understand where Pres. Obama is coming from with his remarks, I think he would have been better understood and his words more readily accepted had he said something along the lines of "...while this country has a majority Christian following, we're not just a nation of Christians any more than we are a nation of Jews, Protestants, Catholics or Jews, but rather we are a nation founded under a Constitution that allows for freedom of religion..." and took it from there.

Of course, those who want to see him fall on his face will certainly try to twist his words around much as what's already happening with his comments concerning his familiarity w/the Muslin religion.
 
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He isn't? :shock:
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Try to withhold the childish remarks. I understand now what you meant. That point didn't occur to me. Maybe it will be brought up, maybe not.
 
American said:
Like you would know anything about it. Damn woman, you're not American and you want to change the country you're in. You're the last person around here to lecture us on a set of principles.
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Sounds like you two have some personal score to settle. ;)

I don't think Laila was trying to educate anyone about American values, per sa. She was merely trying to interprete, and I believe correctly, Pres. Obama's thoughts on this country's religious state. I think he was being a bit too politically correct on the matter, but I can understand why he walked gently on this subject.

Of all the Muslim nation in Europe and Asia, Turkey is the most progressive and should be held up as a model country for all Muslim nations to follow just as most Christian nations try to emulate the U.S. in the same regard. I don't think what Pres. Obama said was wrong; he just could have said it alittle differently w/o providing those in opposition to his presidency in this country have more ammunition to twist around in an attempt to serve their cause.
 
Liberal means you care about our founding principles as much as she does. Please, don't try to teach conservatives about the founding of this country. Liberalism is about the arrogance of knowing it better than the founders.
 
We aren't a Christian nation. We're a constitutional republic.
 
America isn't a Christian Nation, it is a Secular Nation. This is true by the very nature of the constitution.

I would have issues if he stated we were not a country rooted in Christian Beliefs, because that one is patently false. From numerous members of the founding fathers to the damn near majority of initial citizens that helped shape the foundations and bedrock of this country, this country's roots were founded on Christian thoughts and moral compasses. To say other than that would've been flat out pandering in my view; however saying we're not a "christian" nation is correct as we are not a nation directly sponsoring a particular religion.

And the thanks Chevy is for the Icon. I was looking for a DP friendly sized one of that one that would be good quality for a while now.
 
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