Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

Turkey approves Rasmussen as next NATO head after Obama steps in
Turkey approved the nomination of Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen as the next head of NATO, after U.S. President Barack Obama has answered Ankara's objections, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told reporters Saturday. (UPDATED)

NATO leaders agreed unanimously to appoint Rasmussen as the new head of the alliance after Turkey dropped its objections.

"You know that there has been discussion over the past 36 hours, but the fact that we are standing here next to each other means a solution has been found also for the concerns expressed by Turkey, and we all very much agree and are unanimous," NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer told a joint news conference with Rasmussen.

Turkey had opposed Rasmussen's bid for the top NATO post, saying the Dane's unwillingness to suspend broadcasts from a Denmark-based TV station linked to the terror organization PKK, and his stance during the 2006 crisis over a Danish newspapers publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, cast doubts over his ability to lead the alliance.

"I am deeply honored to be appointed as the next secretary-general of NATO and I will do my utmost to live up to the confidence shown to me by my colleagues," said Rasmussen, who will replace Dutchman Jaap de Hoop Scheffer on Aug. 1.

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Despite an hour of talking to his Turkish counterpart, Berlusconi could not persuade Turkish PM to recieve a gaurentee that Rasmussen will not be Vetoed by Turkey. However, Obama stepped in and made gaurentees that one of Rasmussen's deputies would be a Turk and that Turkish commanders would be present at the alliance's command. Turkey then changed its stance last minute on Rasmussen and a possible Veto, and the Dane will replace current leader on Aug. 1.

That Mr Obama is a smooth operator. He will do a fine job.

I can hear the Danish opposition jumping for joy.... finally they got rid of the man that has defeated them time and time again.

elyas said:

Turkey has many wonderful and special attitudes towards Palestine

Thank you for Turkey

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I think the turks just want the palestinians to have a stronger voice in what happens regarding Israel and the middle east, but thats not to forget the Gaza strip is run by Hamas a terrorist group, and the palestinians voted for them also. Not good.

I think the turks just want the palestinians to have a stronger voice in what happens regarding Israel and the middle east, but thats not to forget the Gaza strip is run by Hamas a terrorist group, and the palestinians voted for them also. Not good.

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Thank you for your comment. But

Hamas is not a terrorist organization, demonstrated by the fact that the Palestinian people is one of the chosen.

elyas said:

Hamas is not a terrorist organization, demonstrated by the fact that the Palestinian people is one of the chosen.

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German people chose the Nazis, that makes Nazism a beacon of light and hope does it??

Terrorism is defined by people who kill innocents for political gain. I think Hamas as done a bit of that in its time, dont you?

German people chose the Nazis, that makes Nazism a beacon of light and hope does it??

Terrorism is defined by people who kill innocents for political gain. I think Hamas as done a bit of that in its time, dont you?

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Thank you, I respect your opinion, but
The recent war in Gaza is a terrorist found

Who has killed more than 1300 Palestinians in Gaza? Israel or Hamas

elyas said:

Thank you, I respect your opinion, but
The recent war in Gaza is a terrorist found

Who has killed more than 1300 Palestinians in Gaza? Israel or Hamas

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Israel. But who caused the conflict by launching missiles over the boarder and killing innocent Jews first? The excursion was merely a respone to what Hamas was doing. Did you expect them to allow it to happen and carry on killing innocent Jews? I understand you may feel Israel is palestinian land or whatever it may be and it does not rightfully belong to the Jews but this approach is wrong.

elyas said:

Thank you, I respect your opinion, but
The recent war in Gaza is a terrorist found

Who has killed more than 1300 Palestinians in Gaza? Israel or Hamas

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But aren't the leaders of Israel elected also? So then they couldn't be terrorists by your definition, right?

Besides, just because one is a Palestinian, it does not mean that they are not terrorists, or rather that they weren't part of Hamas. The numbers are never seperated out. The number always given is "Palestinians", rather than combatants, militants, etc....I imagine this is a ploy used to try and gain sympathies where little should exist.

WI Crippler said:

But aren't the leaders of Israel elected also? So then they couldn't be terrorists by your definition, right?

Besides, just because one is a Palestinian, it does not mean that they are not terrorists, or rather that they weren't part of Hamas. The numbers are never seperated out. The number always given is "Palestinians", rather than combatants, militants, etc....I imagine this is a ploy used to try and gain sympathies where little should exist.

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I dont think she meant to say Israeli's are terorrists.

kaya'08 said:

I dont think she meant to say Israeli's are terorrists.

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Well I look forward to the explanation, but from here it seemed that the events in Gaza were just painted as a terrorist excercise by the Israeli's, particularly when the question was asked "who's killed 1300 Palestinians".

But aren't the leaders of Israel elected also? So then they couldn't be terrorists by your definition, right?

Besides, just because one is a Palestinian, it does not mean that they are not terrorists, or rather that they weren't part of Hamas. The numbers are never seperated out. The number always given is "Palestinians", rather than combatants, militants, etc....I imagine this is a ploy used to try and gain sympathies where little should exist.

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ok .

Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

Is self-defense, terrorism?

elyas said:

ok .

Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

Is self-defense, terrorism?

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They were not acting in self defence when they where bombing the Jews across the boarder, the Jews bit there lips and didnt do anything yet Hamas continued bombing easten Jewish cities. When hamas was throwing rockets over the boarder, is that in self-defence, or is that an offensive, because NOBODY was attacking them in the first place. Now, as you said, people have the right to act in self defence so the jews done an excursion into gaza just so they could ensure bombings would stop; not even to occupy Gaza. Thats all they want. For it to stop.

The palestinian people MUST act in self defence and defend there rights but what has happened recently is an offence, not a defensive.

elyas said:

ok .

Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

Is self-defense, terrorism?

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Terrorism is a simply tactic that can be used, offensively or definsively. In both instances it is still terrorism.

I would say, to this point, Hamas and other terrorist factions have been the hinderance in the establishment of a Palestinan state. There have been opportunities to embrace a two state solution, that have been rejected. Since Hamas' charter calls for the complete expulsion of Israel, I doubt there will be any establishment of a Palestinian state, until such notions are disbanded either by the Palestinians or Hamas.

Its going to be a while.

Exactly. Palestine will not be established until they moderate there stances. To expect anything else is unrealistic.

And jesus WI crippler do your job will you?? ie:

Moderator's Warning:

Lets get back to the topic guys

They were not acting in self defence when they where bombing the Jews across the boarder, the Jews bit there lips and didnt do anything yet Hamas continued bombing easten Jewish cities. When hamas was throwing rockets over the boarder, is that in self-defence, or is that an offensive, because NOBODY was attacking them in the first place. Now, as you said, people have the right to act in self defence so the jews done an excursion into gaza just so they could ensure bombings would stop; not even to occupy Gaza. Thats all they want. For it to stop.

The palestinian people MUST act in self defence and defend there rights but what has happened recently is an offence, not a defensive.

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Thank you
Rocket fire by Hamas is a response to occupation crimes and massacres. Israel has initiated

Terrorism is a simply tactic that can be used, offensively or definsively. In both instances it is still terrorism.

I would say, to this point, Hamas and other terrorist factions have been the hinderance in the establishment of a Palestinan state. There have been opportunities to embrace a two state solution, that have been rejected. Since Hamas' charter calls for the complete expulsion of Israel, I doubt there will be any establishment of a Palestinian state, until such notions are disbanded either by the Palestinians or Hamas.

Its going to be a while.

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We do not accept the two-state solution, because it is not fair

78% of the land of Palestine is the Jews
22% of the land of Palestine belongs to the Arabs


Also the difference is not the presence of the Jews in Palestine

We welcome the Jews in Palestine, but does not welcome them Koanlal

Exactly. Palestine will not be established until they moderate there stances. To expect anything else is unrealistic.

And jesus WI crippler do your job will you??

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A reminder ..

There are a lot of Christians in Palestine. They also advocate for Palestine, and welcome the position of Hamas

Such as the Palestinian freedom fighter: George Habash

elyas said:

Such as the Palestinian freedom fighter: George Habash

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His a christian?? :shock:

kaya'08 said:

His a christian?? :shock:

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yes he christian Palestinian and The Israeli army to assassinate him on charges of (terrorism)

George Habash

elyas said:

yes he christian Palestinian and The Israeli army to assassinate him on charges of (terrorism)

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This doesnt make hamas "right", however. The Christians make for even worse terrorists then the muslims do. Advocating violence and suicide to kill INNOCENTS does not make one a freedom fighter. The IDF controls the parts of Israel you believe is palestinian. Not the innocent people of Israel. Therefore, Hamas unforgivable past actions of terrorism has brought the internation community to one conclusion; Hamas cannot be tolerated, and its wishes will not be obeyed until it respects the rights of the existence of Jews and Israels boarders.

Whatever happens, Israel will not cease to exist, nor will it perish for as long as the west supports its existance in the ME. So its up to you as a palestinian, and as an Arab, to reach an agreement that acts in the interests of peace while serving the Jewish and Arabic people of the region fairly. The IDF forces are one of the most advanced in the region, its probably capable of destroying Jordans armed forces, Syrias, Iraq's and Saudi's in a war, not to mention Palestine or the Gaza strip. Freedom fighters use the powerful tools of diplomatic words and not guns and bombs. Has terrorism ever given a nation something it has wanted to recieve? No. Look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan, Pakistan. Now, look at Hamas. Do you think the palestinian people will survive long in Gaza if NATO decides to intervene?

Hamas will not stop until it sees the immediate destruction of Israel. And Israel will never cease to exist. So the outcome is none other than one; Hamas will lead the Palestinians into doom. Do you think your propher muhammed would turn to rockets and guns to change the minds of the Jewish people? He would reach out a hand to his Jewish friends, children of god in his eyes, and make compromises that would serve the muslim people. So remember, everytime you support the evils of this planet, like Hamas, god will only frown apon you, and do not be fooled to think he is happy and you are doing what is right; because thats how terrorists are tricked into believing killing is right.

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