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Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

winston53660 said:
I'm sure we have war ships surrounding N. Korea right now at the CIC's orders.
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I believe there are 2 IJN DDs in position to intercept anything headed to Japan. I have not read anything that indicates the USN has increased its presence. Have you?
 
Goobieman said:
I believe there are 2 IJN DDs in position to intercept anything headed to Japan. I have not read anything that indicates the USN has increased its presence. Have you?
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I heard on NPR that ships had been dispatich.
 
Kandahar said:
What do you think Obama should do about North Korea launching this rocket?
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It depends on what our intelligence community knows about the "object" mounted at the head of the missile. If they were 100% certain it's a satellite, I'd let it proceed and press for sanctions and accept S. Korea's bid into the Proliferation Security Initiative and start conducting exercises immediately.

With anything less than extremely high confidence that it's a satellite, I'd shoot it down. N. Korea cannot be trusted; they are professional liars. They don't need a communications satellite and they haven't released the communications frequencies which by international protocol is done 2 years in advance. They've been starving their people in favor of massive military expenditures, which can only mean one thing: they plan on improving their economy through military conquest. They can now theoretically nuke the US, nuke Japan, and blitzkrieg into S. Korea. It's not worth the risk.
 
Arch Enemy said:
What is the purpose of the Obama bashing in this thread?
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What were we told before the election?

Oh yeah:
"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
- Joe Biden

Biden then said that we'd see that Obama has a "backbone of steel."
 
Goobieman said:
What were we told before the election?

Oh yeah:
"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
- Joe Biden

Biden then said that we'd see that Obama has a "backbone of steel."
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This has been asked, but you have yet to answer it. What do you think Obama should have done instead of what he is doing now in regards to the imminent NK Launch?
 
Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
And what would you advise, oh mighty master of military strategy? Silence? A full-scale invasion?
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There are numerous other things, not the least of which is the statement that we -will- shoot down any missile that in on a track that endangers any part of the US or our allies. He could also resolve to eliminate NK ability to launch these missiles, should they continue along this track.

Remember that no one, especially you, has any idea what payload these bords carry.

Or is it merely that he can't open his mouth without you shooting criticism at him?
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The shoe is on the other foot and you don't like it? Awww...
 
Goobieman said:
There are numerous other things, not the least of which is the statement that we -will- shoot down any missile that in on a track that endangers any part of the US or our allies. He could also resolve to eliminate NK ability to launch these missiles, should they continue along this track.
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This is silly, linear thinking. If our intelligence community knows it poses no immediate threat, why risk a war that could potentially escalate huge proportions?

Remember that no one, especially you, has any idea what payload these bords carry.
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You don't know that. You have no idea what our intelligence community knows about the payload. The president does.
 
Kandahar said:
The funny thing is that if this had happened six months ago and the name in the article was "Bush" instead of "Obama," you would be falling all over yourself to praise his tough talk against North Korea,
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Hardly. This reaction is pathetic, and it would be pathetic regardless of who responded this way.
 
Lerxst said:
The answer here is quite simple and very apparent. Fail. At any cost to this nation, he wants him to fail.
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This is completely unsupprtable.
Of course, given that you cannot really counter anything that has been said here with anything containing actual substance, you have little choice but to respond in this manner.
 
BulletWounD said:
This is silly, linear thinking. If our intelligence community knows it poses no immediate threat, why risk a war that could potentially escalate huge proportions?
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Do we know this? How do you know?
 
Goobieman said:
Hardly. This reaction is pathetic, and it would be pathetic regardless of who responded this way.
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What's more disturbing is that we have two American journalists being held hostage in NK and virtually nobody knows about it.
 
BulletWounD said:
What's more disturbing is that we have two American journalists being held hostage in NK and virtually nobody knows about it.
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IRRC, NK corssed the border to get them, too.
 
Goobieman said:
Do we know this? How do you know?
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Know what? That the war could escalate? Or how do I know what the intelligence community knows? In regard to the former, it's obvious. In regard to the latter, I don't. All I'm saying is the president does. It's easy to say what you would or would not do as the president but the fact of the matter is that you are not the president and you do not have access to the intelligence community.

If this object is not a satellite, and is indeed a missile, I'd be coordinating with the Chinese to form a contingency plan should N.K. launch an offensive in retaliation for the shootdown. The PRC is in a unique position to be able to launch a devastating flank attack. N.K. wouldn't even know what hit them.
 
BulletWounD said:
Know what?
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That the rocket is/is not carrying some sort of dangerouns payload.

In regard to the latter, I don't. All I'm saying is the president does.
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He cannot. He CAN know the best intel estimate, but he cannot -know- what's up there. Also, see below.

If this object is not a satellite, and is indeed a missile, I'd be coordinating with the Chinese to form a contingency plan should N.K. launch an offensive in retaliation for the shootdown. The PRC is in a unique position to be able to launch a devastating flank attack. N.K. wouldn't even know what hit them
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If I were the President, I'd be doing this anyway, based on the idea that we do not -know- what is on top of this missile.

Now, I DO think it is very unlikely that there is a nuclear warhead up there, but that's not really significant -- regardless of the payload, if it heads toward the US, it should be shot down, and it should be considered an event that justifies some degree of retalliation.
 
Goobieman said:
That the rocket is/is not carrying some sort of dangerouns payload.


He cannot. He CAN know the best intel estimate, but he cannot -know- what's up there. Also, see below.


If I were the President, I'd be doing this anyway, based on the idea that we do not -know- what is on top of this missile.
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Insofar as we can never know anything for certain, sure. But depending on what intelligence assets we have in place in N.K., it is quite possible to have specific knowledge of what is mounted on that rocket.

Now, I DO think it is very unlikely that there is a nuclear warhead up there, but that's not really significant -- regardless of the payload, if it heads toward the US, it should be shot down, and it should be considered an event that justifies some degree of retalliation.
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The problem with that is the earth is a sphere and any rocket will be headed to toward the US...
 
BulletWounD said:
Insofar as we can never know anything for certain, sure. But depending on what intelligence assets we have in place in N.K., it is quite possible to have specific knowledge of what is mounted on that rocket.
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Insofar as anything is possible... :mrgreen:

The problem with that is the earth is a sphere and any rocket will be headed to toward the US...
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Not necessarily so. The course of the payload is set onnce the booster burns out. If the ballistic trajectory of the payload carries it over the US, it can be let go.
 
Goobieman said:
Insofar as anything is possible... :mrgreen:


Not necessarily so. The course of the payload is set onnce the booster burns out. If the ballistic trajectory of the payload carries it over the US, it can be let go.
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That pretty much leaves them with geosynchronous orbits only. Have they provided any details on how they want to orbit this supposed "communications satellite" (obvious, blatant, bull**** lie)?
 
BulletWounD said:
That pretty much leaves them with geosynchronous orbits only.
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A low-earth orbit will do, in terms of not being fired 'at' the US.. That's probably all they can do at this point anyway.

Point is, we will know if the missile is going into orbit or if it will fall onto the US very shortly after the booster burns out.

Have they provided any details on how they want to orbit this supposed "communications satellite" (obvious, blatant, bull**** lie)?
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Not that I know of.
 
Goobieman said:
A low-earth orbit will do, in terms of not being fired 'at' the US.. That's probably all they can do at this point anyway.

Point is, we will know if the missile is going into orbit or if it will fall onto the US very shortly after the booster burns out.


Not that I know of.
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Not really. An object in LEO will still fly in the general direction of the United States. As you pointed out in previous posts, a little reverse thrust to deorbit at the right time and BOOM. The EMP of a nuclear weapon detonated just above the atmosphere could destroy the US utterly.
 
Goobieman said:
This is completely unsupprtable.
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Your posting history here related to Obama is here for all to see. Your desires are obvious to all. You've been called out on it. Don't like the way the shoe fits? Don't put it on and start tap dancing.

Of course, given that you cannot really counter anything that has been said here with anything containing actual substance, you have little choice but to respond in this manner.
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Quite the contrary. I've provided quite a bit of information related to the topic, and "countered" anything I didn't agree with or had an opinion on that differed from a specific poster.

Now, liar, why don't you go back and address my posts about the actual topic. And next time you post a Breaking News thread, why don't follow the BN rules and actually make an intelligent statement about the topic you are seeking discussion on?
 
Lerxst said:
Your posting history here related to Obama is here for all to see. Your desires are obvious to all. You've been called out on it. Don't like the way the shoe fits? Don't put it on and start tap dancing.
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So..., you admit cannot support what you said and counter what I said.
Thanks.
 
BulletWounD said:
Not really. An object in LEO will still fly in the general direction of the United States.
As you pointed out in previous posts, a little reverse thrust to deorbit at the right time and BOOM.
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Absolutely correct -- but the issue here, I believe, is the actual launch event. What happens after that is another story. I woudl hope that if NK decided to drop its orbiter on the US that everyone eoud agree it needs to be immediaely shot down and taken as the act of war that it is.

Note that you do not need to actually drop the nuke from orbit for the EMP to affect the US.
 
Goobieman said:
Absolutely correct -- but the issue here, I believe, is the actual launch event. What happens after that is another story. I woudl hope that if NK decided to drop its orbiter on the US that everyone eoud agree it needs to be immediaely shot down and taken as the act of war that it is.

Note that you do not need to actually drop the nuke from orbit for the EMP to affect the US.
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Well, it would be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty, which NK hastily signed to have in place before the launch. Not only would it be an act of war, it would be a betrayal of the United Nations. NATO would immediately declare war and the US would immediately nuke North Korea. What happens after that we can only speculate.... Would China and Russia recognize the inability of the US to carry out a protracted war after an EMP event and help the North Koreans? If so, apocalypse follows soon after.
 
BulletWounD said:
Well, it would be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty, which NK hastily signed to have in place before the launch.
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Just a guess, but if NK wants to EMP the US, they arent too worried about any treaties or any reprisal.

My point was they do not need to 'drop' an orbiting nuke.

Kinda makes shooting down their 'satellite' launches look a little better, eh?
 
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